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MadRabbit -> RE: Saying no all the time? (10/22/2007 5:32:56 PM)

I would tell you...but...

NO!!!!!




sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Saying no all the time? (10/22/2007 6:38:02 PM)

From what she told me she is told no when ever she asks for something. If he suggests it then its a go.  She only asks when he allows her to ask a questions when she asks permission.

It is her first Dom and feels this is how it is done and has grown frustrated over the constant no and has begun to branch out and ask others if she is wrong for asking for things. They don't go to any public places to play, he doesn't enjoy public play so all we have is her word and half the story.

There are two sides to the story and the truth.




batshalom -> RE: Saying no all the time? (10/22/2007 8:04:00 PM)

Doctor, Doctor, it hurts when I do this!

Then stop doing that.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Saying no all the time? (10/22/2007 8:05:45 PM)

Some doms really do think that saying no is equal to dominance.  They think saying yes or giving the sub something she asks for will somehow mean that they are no longer in control (this is the most common idiotic argument against safewords.  Considering how many legitimate arguments there are against the usage of safewords, I don't understand why they try to use that stupid one)

Hopefully someone will eventually enlighten them and they can lighten up.  But it's been two years, she's obviously accepted it.




TemptingNviceSub -> RE: Saying no all the time? (10/22/2007 8:16:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

From what she told me she is told no when ever she asks for something. If he suggests it then its a go.  She only asks when he allows her to ask a questions when she asks permission.

It is her first Dom and feels this is how it is done and has grown frustrated over the constant no and has begun to branch out and ask others if she is wrong for asking for things. They don't go to any public places to play, he doesn't enjoy public play so all we have is her word and half the story.

There are two sides to the story and the truth.
Well if she is branching off and questioning others, I am thinking he may find himself subless in the near future..so hence once again we are shown that balance in a relationship is a wonderful thing..However for some reason she had to of been aware of what he was like before she entered into this? Did he keep her isolated from others that would of informed her that not all relationships nor Masters practised D/s as hers did? That for every Dominant, there is an ever differing way of Dominance?....Tempting




subsfaith -> RE: Saying no all the time? (10/23/2007 1:06:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetnurseBBW

It is her first Dom and feels this is how it is done and has grown frustrated over the constant no and has begun to branch out and ask others if she is wrong for asking for things.



She is asking the wrong people.  There is only one person that can give her the answer she needs.

Faith
:: smiles ::




julietsierra -> RE: Saying no all the time? (10/23/2007 5:34:34 PM)

*grin* I love threads like this!!

Just for a moment, consider something beyond what's on the surface. Just for a moment, consider what it is that the dominant in this thread might be doing. No, it's not some maligned need to be lording over someone. No, it's not his ego talking. No. Simply No.

Like it or not, the dominant has an agenda that is his. It is not shaped by "community standards." It is not shaped by what everyone else does or thinks should happen. It is shaped by his vision of how things should work in HIS world. And since he's the dominant, he's going to shape his world to fit his vision. There's really nothing wrong with that. In fact, the submissive is also finding shape to her world. If their shapes match well, it'll work. If they don't, it won't. It's pretty simple.

So...anyway, when she asks for things, he says no. Here's the clue. Don't ask. Seriously. Don't ask. I didn't say "don't communicate" I said "don't ask."

Like it or not, call him names or not, to this dominant - if I were to guess - he's interested in being the initiator. So, you inform. "Wow, that looks like fun! That looks scary, that looks interesting" You question. "have you ever done that before? If you have, how did those other people like it? What was fascinating about it?" You do both. "Wow, that looks like fun. Have you ever done that before? I wonder what that feels like." In short, you let him know you're interested. 

And then you let him make the decision to do what he wants to do - with you, for you and to you.

It DOES involve the development of obedience. It DOES involved the cultivation of patience. And it DOES sometimes involve frustration. Hell! You're learning a new way of being!

And you know what? As you watch more carefully, you'll find that as you stop asking for things, you receive more than you ever thought imaginable. He begins to experiement with your body, your mind and your emotions. You stop pursuing your own agenda long enough to notice things you never noticed before. You notice that when you express an interest, without the stated request, he wants to do this with you. You notice that the more often you do this, the more often what you actually desire comes through. And you discover that he really IS paying attention to what you say, what you do and how you submit.

Is this for everyone? Absolutely not. Most people can't manage it. Those that do however, find they thrive in such an environment. They blossom. And they grow to trust that dominant more thna they've ever trusted anyone in their lives. Most importantly, they can come to trust in themselves.

Lots of people feel that frustration and refuse to take that road. But like Robert Frost's The Road Not Taken... when someone opts to take the road less traveled, they find it makes all the difference.

juliet




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