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Rover -> RE: Breaking a sub/slave? (10/24/2007 8:17:56 AM)
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Ok, let's take these one at a time.
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ORIGINAL: SixFootMaster
The Slave
The desire to be possessed/owned in the sense of a possesion.
Each and every submissive I've had has desired to be possessed and owned in the sense of a possession. I have no evidence to support it (see how that works?), but in my experience that is a rather common desire amongst both submissives and slaves, and cannot credibly be claimed to be unique to slaves alone. Strike this one as inaccurate.
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The desire to be subsumed to the will of another.
Again, it's been my experience that both submissives and slaves desire to be subordinate to their Dominant. No one could credibly assert that this is a uniquely "slave" trait. Scratch another as inaccurate.
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The need for this transition of control to be forced, and sudden, and without consent.
Without consent? That kind of precludes any power exchange relationship, slave or submissive. Are you picturing a scene from "Roots" taking place today? Seriously, this has no merit whatsoever.
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Fulfilment through the anihilation of self
I didn't think that the anihilation of self was possible, or healthy. But then, you're the mental health professional so I'll put the question to you. Is it possible to achieve the anihilation of self, and is that a healthy state of being? Or are you portraying fiction as if it were reality?
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A rejection or innate abhorence of control of themselves, and a general malaise when forced to do so.
Gosh, most submissives get really icked when they're put on the spot by their owner about control as well. Many Dominants use that as an effective reminder of the relationship dynamic. Though in truth, it's not possible for anyone to relinquish all self control, nor is it healthy. So this statement has its own limitations, or it too passes into the realm of fiction. Still, accepting it within the bounds of reality, it too is not unique to slaves. Another inaccuracy.
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Control focused.
I would propose that all power exchange relationships are control focused. It is the only thing that distinguishes them from other types of relationships. Once again this is not a trait unique to slaves (this is becoming tediously redundant).
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Commonly manifests with particularly hard, severe or extreme rape fantasies focusing more fully on the ownership and being taken.
Aren't rape fantasies the most common fantasy of all women? Of course, I'm not the mental health professional but I do recall reading that. So this isn't even unique to power exchange relationships, much less slaves. And terms like "hard", "severe" and "extreme" are completely relative to the individual, and impossible to use as the foundation for a definition. Another inaccuracy.
Let's move on to the submissives....
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The Submissive
The desire to serve, and fulfill the needs of another
Slaves have no desire to serve and fulfill the needs of another? Honestly, no one (well, except you evidently) would credibly claim that this is a trait unique to submissives.
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The drive to be pleasing and the need to please
Slaves aren't driven to be pleasing, and don't have a need to please? That will come as a great surprise to the vast majority of them. But then, you're the professsional and they are (evidently) mistaken. Do you know how silly that sounds to the rest of us?
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Sustained by the visual, emotional, physical et al feed back from the object of their service, that they are indeed pleasing.
There are two falsehoods here. One, that slaves are utterly selfless and do not need feedback from their owners. The other that the only thing keeping submissives engaged is the feedback of their owners. By what method did you divine that either of these sentiments are true? How many slaves and submissives did you interview? What studies did you consult? What articles did you read? Truth is, anyone engaged in a relationship of any kind receives feedback from their partner(s), and you simply pulled this out of your nether regions.
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Pleasure focused.
The submissives I know are service oriented (ie: they serve the wishes of their owners), same as slaves. What submissives are you familiar with? Where did you become familiar with them?
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A general lack of control concerns, a willingness/eagerness in approach to serving
Yeah, that willingness/eagerness to serving is part of being service oriented, rather than pleasure oriented. Do you read what you write? Just wondering, because you seem to have no difficulty contradicting yourself. And it seems to me that both slaves and submissives serve their owners. As for "lack of control concerns", I have no idea what you mean. But if you're infering that submissives will serve without feeling controlled, you haven't been around enough to run into those that complain (often publicly, even at places like Collarme) they're not "getting enough" control. Heck, it would preclude the necessity of even being in a power exchange relationship, as they could serve their vanilla husband or partner. So why doesn't this reflect the reality around us that we can see every day? Because it's crap.
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Edit: Just so you know, I ceased replying for your snide sake, this is for the benefit of those who are actually interested, that are reading.
I can only hope that those reading along are getting as much of a laugh as I am. Please do continue, as the quality of this entertainment is rarely found in these parts.
John
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