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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 7:05:53 PM

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Scientifically speaking, the Mayans were light-years ahead of us.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 7:08:46 PM

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Well, the truth is that Mayan mathematics has nothing whatsoever to do with relativity or quantum mechanics or God knows what, but you people can believe whatever you'd like.

yeh aspen mathematics however does.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 7:11:14 PM

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The Mayan calander is extremely accurate, but ends on 12/21/2012. Some people have taken this to mean that the end of the world will happen then. What does everyone think, does the world end then, and if so, how? Or did the Mayans just get tired and stop calculating?

Scientifically speaking, the Mayans were light-years ahead of us. They didn't have the industry to produce things like computers and such- as they never went through the Industrial Revolution- but their scientists were utterly brilliant. They've made predictions that we've only begun to understand when Einstein came out with his Relativity theories; before then, the math they used seemed like gibberish.

There may be some truth to their predictions.

I think the Maya also figured out zero (long?) before anyone else did.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 7:13:58 PM

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The key question in all this, of course, is whether I should stop contributing to my 401(k).

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 10:03:27 PM

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My major in college was math and I made a serious mistake in an anthro class and wound up researching Mayan math quite extensively. There is nothing about their math requiring relativity or any such to understand. A serious grounding in number theory is though. The mayans main claim to fame was a very flexible approach to what base to do math in. For instance the Long Count calendar under discussion here is primarily done in base 20. That is each digit is a number from 0 to 19. Except for the second digit which only uses base 18 since that more closely approximates a solar year, 18 * 20 =360. Note this system didn't stay aligned to the actual solar year and would have been useless for scheduling planting and the like. For those purposes the Mayans used a different calendar with a basic cycle of 52 years. But the Long Count system was very useful for historic record keeping which the more accurate to the solar year calendar wasn't.

Back to the odd base use, this isn't uncommon in modern, 20th and 21st century, mathematics but is practically unknown before the 19th century. The prefered use of base 20 is completely unheard of elsewhere.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 10:14:42 PM

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I'm tempted to say that I can recall some of the oldest societies using base 20 at times as some counted with fingers and toes. But, hey, half of the computer dorks today are fluent in base 16, so we're good. ;)

You have to credit the Mayan's for discovering that the right mix of herbal suppliments, when augmented with St. John's Wart, could give the imber clinical immortality.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 10:22:37 PM

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I'm tempted to say that I can recall some of the oldest societies using base 20 at times as some counted with fingers and toes. But, hey, half of the computer dorks today are fluent in base 16, so we're good. ;)

Being able to count from 1 to 20 is not doing math in base 20. The Mayans were numerate i.e. they had numbers beyond 1 to x and many. The Mayans were one of a very few cultures to invent the concept of zero without which you're not really doing math all you're doing is counting.

As to today, I'm comfortable in base 16 and base 8 but find it much easier to do anything complicated in binary, it's all just shifting bits at that level, and then converting to either octal or hexadecimal as required.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 10:27:45 PM

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The Mayan calander is extremely accurate, but ends on 12/21/2012. Some people have taken this to mean that the end of the world will happen then. What does everyone think, does the world end then, and if so, how? Or did the Mayans just get tired and stop calculating?

I think Al Qaeda and the evil caliphate will unite the dark forces of Islam and destroy us all before 2012.

Uncle Sam needs you to support the war on terror!

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 11:32:22 PM

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I'm tempted to say that I can recall some of the oldest societies using base 20 at times as some counted with fingers and toes. But, hey, half of the computer dorks today are fluent in base 16, so we're good. ;)

Being able to count from 1 to 20 is not doing math in base 20. The Mayans were numerate i.e. they had numbers beyond 1 to x and many. The Mayans were one of a very few cultures to invent the concept of zero without which you're not really doing math all you're doing is counting.

As to today, I'm comfortable in base 16 and base 8 but find it much easier to do anything complicated in binary, it's all just shifting bits at that level, and then converting to either octal or hexadecimal as required.

Ah, no, no. I mean they used base 20 because they counted on fingers and toes- like we probably adopted base 10 out of counting on fingers. I didn't mean that they only could count to 20. :P

When did the Mayan's discover 0, anyhow? It must've been thousands of years ago if they beat the European cultures to it.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/22/2007 11:39:08 PM

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Well doesn't the bible say that the Anti-Christ must show himself before the end days begin?

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 1:48:59 AM

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This is something I have done some research about. The way I understand it at this point is this:

We are in what is called the Galactic Night right now. It is a rhythm of time. It ends at the winter solistice 2012, I have 2013 too. I cant remember how long it lasts but I will guess like 26,000 years, which is what this particular Mayan Calendar depicts -this cycle in time, the Galactic Night.

It is an astronomical movement. The Universe is a moving place and it does so rhythmically. It is like we have been on an elliptical movement around a central axis anchored by Alcyone, a further star from the last planet. When this date arrives will begin a new rhythm which is called the Galactic Photoband. This is a more static thing. This is when the planets all align and we stay in this new/other rhythm for about 1400 years I think.

The difference being this time the planets actually will align. Apparently this is the first time in the history of Creation that this will take place. So far the planets have meant to align at each of these cycles but never have been able to for whatever reason. Alcyone will be an additional stellar/solar power. We will still have day/night as we know it but this additional stellar energy will add to our energy on Earth. Each planet will receive energy from Alcyone and will transduce it through each individual planet and send the energy down through until you get to the magnetic center of the galaxy, Earth. I read the difference being predicted is 'intent'.

For example, now so many 'good' people are forced to live in survival worries, hardships and terror. This will change. The whole 'One Percent Holding Ninety Percent of the Wealth' will no longer be true. What is in each of our hearts is what will manifest. No more stepping on toes out of power-hungry/greed issues.

Of course I have no way to prove this but that is fine it is only a few years away. In my opinion, no way is the Earth going to end. A lot of imbalanced crap being fed to us as 'Truth' will though.

My own painting is quite connected this kind of information. I love inter-dimensional cultures, Egyptian, Greek, Mayan, Native American, African, Aboriginal etc. I have studied quite a bit of these and my own internal creative process has taught me great stuff.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 2:33:23 AM

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I understand that the Yupiks used a base 20 system for counting

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 2:37:53 AM

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The Mayan calander is extremely accurate, but ends on 12/21/2012. Some people have taken this to mean that the end of the world will happen then. What does everyone think, does the world end then, and if so, how? Or did the Mayans just get tired and stop calculating?

~FR~
My persomal opinon is that the Mayans as well as the Egyptians had connections to beings from different places in the universe, there are just too many things that point to connections with the sky for me.

As for the date; it could mean a number of things, such as when we finally meet others from the universe, the time of enlightenment of the masses, an number of things, but I highly doubt they just got tired of calculating.

Missy.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 2:39:56 AM

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Well doesn't the bible say that the Anti-Christ must show himself before the end days begin?

The Bible is an incoherent collection of ancient writings written well after the events they describe and in the case of the Old Testement, probably at least 1,000 years after the events they describe. How anyone can take these Chinese whispers of a pre-scientific culture seriously is beyond me. The people described the world in ways that made sense to them, not how it was.

Same with this silly prediction of the world coming to an end in 1212. I have lost count at how many times in my life time alone, the world was going to end.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 2:48:57 AM

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Well doesn't the bible say that the Anti-Christ must show himself before the end days begin?

oh lucky me, is there another State of the Union address being televised soon?

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 3:34:27 AM

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Oh please. Explain to me what Einstein's Theory of Relativity has to do with Mayan mathematics. I'm dying to hear this one.

Very simple.

Einstein was the descendant of Mayan princes, abducted by aliens as their culture collapsed and transported to central Europe.

His family held the key the great mysteries of the Mayan people for centuries, until, when the time was right, Albert revealed them to the world.

Hey, its just as credible as anything else posted here

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 3:52:48 AM

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The End of the world won't happen for awhile. We may have huge disasters but Mankind can survive them.

The end of the world will happen when either Earth blows up or the Sun goes out.

It's funny bnbecause no matter what we believe people always worry about the end being tommorow. Well if you can't do much about it, then why worry. If you can then do it. But I am more likely to go and hae fun the night before the end of the world than wasting it on waiting for it to hapen.

Also the Mayans were much like Jews and CHristians early on. They lived in an isolated world where they thought they were the only ones.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 8:21:33 AM

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One more time, anyone who believes all this BS about the Mayan Long Count calendar and mysticism needs to look into the person who made it all up Jose Arguelles. To start with it isn't even really the Mayan calendar. Arguelles calendar is fixed on the each new year starting on July 25. However the Mayan calendars made no allowance for leap years so that date should slide as leap years occur.

IOW this guy is making money off you by selling you stuff he made up and is peddling as "TRUTH."

A good primer on the real Long Count calendar can be found here including the fact that the Mayans did calculate dates beyond 2012.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 8:36:57 AM

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Well doesn't the bible say that the Anti-Christ must show himself before the end days begin?

Awww.. shit.. "W" is going to proclaim himself Supreme ruler of the United States is he?

Damn it.. I knew it was too good to be true.. we will never be rid of that sodding idiot.

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RE: the end of the world? - 10/23/2007 8:41:08 AM

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It means I will be older as 12/21 is my bday :-) As for the end of the world? Who knows what will happen, humans are destructive by nature, meteors fall from the sky and diseases just keep getting stronger and more bizarre. Life is a mystery and so is death, perhaps it was meant to be that way..

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