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FangsNfeet -> First Aid Anyone? (7/31/2005 11:22:50 PM)

When it comes to being a Sadist and doing sessions on someone, how many of us have taken or considered having a first aid / emergency care course under our belts? How many of us even bother to have a first aid kit at home? First Aid class and a Kit are very affordable to obtain. If the idea that knowing first aid is not important, then how many of you atleast thought about being close to a hospital?

With so many new doms comming in and joining this site, I think that it's important for them to take a one to two day course on First Aid. If anything, I'm sure it would help a sub be more open if there dom looked more prepared to handle the "What If's"

So what do you say? Can we all take a little time in our lives and learn to treat cuts, burns, shock, asthma attacks, and such on atleast a first aid level to help ensure the safety of our subs? After all, I don't see it doing any harm to us for having these basic skills and encourage all of us to buy the $10 kit at Wally World and refresh ourselves with the latest up to date First Aid treatment. For some of us may some day need it.



ProtagonistLily -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 4:03:23 AM)

I say this is an excellent idea. Many groups will cover this topic once a year for new folks. For those who aren't 'public players' one of the things that groups offer, aside from parties (well, decent groups anyway) is a well rounded educational program, with workshops and demonstrations.

But if this kind of set up isn't available or desireable, then I would say that outside first aid training would be essential; however, it would be difficult to ask specific questions at a 'nilla' first aid class that would be commonplace in a 'kink' oriented first aid class.

Lily



IronBear -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 4:05:10 AM)

I couldn't have said it better. I'm doing an advanced refresher this year just to keep upto date.



Padriag -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 4:25:58 AM)

For those in the US I would suggest the following.

Check with the local Red Cross, they offer free first aid courses. Often the YMCA does as well. Both also offer CPR courses (and that is something to seriously consider if you do electrical play).

Check with your local community college, they also sometimes offer free first aid and CPR courses. They also offer advanced first aid classes and if you wish you can go as far as becoming an EMT (Emergency Medical Technician) which would be more than enough to handle most injuries that might occur.

For a good basic first aid kits you might want to check Sam's Club or Costco, I've seen some good deals there on prepackaged kits. You can also find mail order suppliers online if you really want to get serious about it and have an extremely well stocked medical kit.



MstrssPassion -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 5:27:36 AM)

quote:

With so many new doms comming in and joining this site, I think that it's important for them to take a one to two day course on First Aid. If anything, I'm sure it would help a sub be more open if there dom looked more prepared to handle the "What If's"

So what do you say? Can we all take a little time in our lives and learn to treat cuts, burns, shock, asthma attacks, and such on atleast a first aid level to help ensure the safety of our subs? After all, I don't see it doing any harm to us for having these basic skills


This is just one of the perks of actually obtaining skills with edge play by 'old school' practices. I learned from persons that were skilled, mentors, if you will. Not only was the sadistic edgier skill taught, but what to do in case of "Uh-oh" instead of mad dashes to ER or 911 being involved.

Many people consider having a teacher/mentor as a ridiculous notion these days. I can't help but view this as arrogant & foolish.

Example: Knowing how to stop bleeding & stitch a wound is necessary if one wishes to engage in cutting (even though deep cutting is not a desired result). Being prepared with the proper items already on hand is the safest way to proceed as well as having first hand instruction prior to ever attempting this form of play.

CPR, another good skill & recognizing when a limb is not receiving proper blood flow/circulation.

Now the more common & less edgy things we do... spanking, flogging, paddles & whips all involve impact against the flesh... most think of this a harmless fun. There are many nerves that can be damaged & knowing what areas to avoid is extremely important. Hit too hard or too often & your bottom/sub/slave will be at risk of paralysis (worse case scenario). Don't shake your heads in disbelief... I have spoken with more than one person who now walk with a limp that resulted from only a hand spanking.

This is the main reason so many people do not chant SSC (a created slogan that was taken out of context in the first place). We have to take every precaution to ensure safety, but there will always be risk. Really, is anything we do (tongue in cheek) viewed as sane by the 'major majority'. CONSENT I agree with, but consenting is not enough, knowing what you are doing & what you are offering yourself to be part of is the only sane way to proceed. If you rush in & just trust that your partner is skilled & you do not have a clue can ultimately be hazardous to your health.

MstrssPassion



IronBear -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 9:32:14 AM)

Here in Australia, the St John Ambulance, Red Cross and The Surf Lifesaving Association all offer First Aid Courses. There not ferr but it is well worth the cost. The person you save may well be your "one".



feline -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 10:02:10 AM)

He and I have all the training we need. Thanks. But great idea for those that don't.



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DesertRat -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 10:25:52 AM)

Yes, this is a very good idea. I think more people need to know first aid and cpr, even if they are not involved in bdsm-type activities. As for me, I am a licensed EMT. At the lowest (First Responder) rating, presently, but moving up the ladder steadily. So I have a kit that is WAY above average and know how to use it.

Bob



grits -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 10:37:16 AM)

When i was playing/bottoming/submitting, etc., i always kept a few bandaids, a pair of scissors, some ointment good for scrapes, etc., sewing kit in my bag. (Some swore i also kept the kitchen sink in there, but that's a different thread..lol). While i thought that it was the Master's/Top's "job" to keep me safe, i also thought it was my responsibility, too -- just in case. There have been non-bdsm, D/s times i needed some of those items, too (i'm sometimes an accident looking for a place to happen..lol).

Just a thought...



junkyard -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 11:03:24 AM)

This should really be a first reply to any question about being a Dominant. There was another thread about that subject and while I recommended Jay Wiseman's "SM 101" for reasons of safety and first aid I probably should have called out the emergency response aspect of things more strongly. It is essential - don't play and learn some first-aid down the road; reverse that order of events and go learn first-aid NOW!

CPR is a must. If you don't know how to perform CPR, do not play.

Even so, CPR is not the final answer to a problem: http://members.aol.com/Oldrope/breath.htm

A first aid kit is essential. As a Californian I keep mine as a part of a larger earthquake preparedness kit which includes things like feminine napkins and tampons (trying to think of others there). The kit also includes all kinds of tapes and gauze, scissors, toothache drops, aspirin, ibuprofen, cold and heat packs, a whistle, a splint, waterproof matches, thermometer, syringe for wound irrigation, Tums, Pepto-Bismol, rubber bands, alcohol swabs, band-aids, scalpel, sutures, antibiotic and burn ointments, water germicidal tablets, and a giant fold-out foil-mylar blanket. My own kit started as a basic kit obtained from REI. Sutures seem somewhat difficult to come by, but maybe I just don't know where to shop for them, there's probably dozens of places online to score them.

A good book on First-Aid is not a bad idea either. There are probably many things that one doesn't do routinely enough to be expert at them, so a quick refresher before performing a procedure isn't a bad idea. Many have a stay open ring binder so you can read while you work if need be.

In case it isn't clear, that first-aid kit goes in your play bag if you play away from home.

I'm not a proper doctor, but I can usually do enough to save someone's ass before getting them to a proper doctor. And you have to be prepared to take someone to a hospital. If you can't or won't, don't play. I was recently told a story by a submissive who had a medical emergency and the Dom refused to take her to the hospital. I am not a believer in blacklists; but damn, if there ever was a credible reason for a blacklist that must be it.




perfection20005 -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 12:28:53 PM)

I agree that its better to spend a little bit of time learning some first aid, than to be sorry later. Its not hard, and you can usually find classes daytime or at night to fit around your schedule. I wouldn't do anything even remotely dangerous without my partner knowing standard first aid.



MstrssPassion -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 12:45:54 PM)

just a FYI...

Often you can find sutures at a large feed store/farm supply store (not PetSmart) & they are available online for real cheap. You can also find some very cool small whips & quirts if they have a section for the horse riders.

I don't recall where I bought my cauterizing pen, I believe I bought this at one of these feed stores as well... but I do know that you can find them online for about $40... just be sure to buy replacement tips when doing so. I bought about a dozen extra & thankfully, I have several left. (& no, I didn't stop a major bleeder incident, a few of my tips were used doing branding)

MP




junkyard -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 9:12:29 PM)

I don't know if it should be this precise thread or something that someone throws together afterward, but something like this should be a "sticky" post somewhere on these forums. Probably under the most general heading. Safe, sane, and consensual means nothing without a healthy dose of first-aid knowledge to follow after it.



proudsub -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 11:17:56 PM)

quote:

I think that it's important for them to take a one to two day course on First Aid.


Good point Fangs.

Hubby and i have both taken the Red Cross first aid course required for Ski Patrol. That was many years ago and we probably should have a refresher.



Padriag -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/1/2005 11:33:57 PM)

Few other things that came to mind. Find out about any necessary medications and medical problems. This sounds obvious but its easy to forget. Is someone asthmatic... put their inhaler somewhere easy to get to. Are they diabetic, make sure everyone knows where their insulin is and if needed a candy bar (so no one else eats it!). Find out about allergies, some can be very severe. I have an uncle who is highly allergic to bee stings, without treatment they can be fatal to him. When I was younger I was so severely allergic to tobacco and cigarette smoke that a strong exposure would cause my throat to swell shut (which is generally fatal), luckily I'm no longer that severely allergic but it still affects me. Knowing about these kinds of things, how to recognize symptoms and how to react can save a life.



softandshy -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/2/2005 5:52:51 AM)

Glad you chose to post this Fangs. i am a slave but consider health and physical wellbeing a shared responsibility. Therefore, i keep a first aid kit, and am certified in both CPR and first aid. These are valuable skills to have even if for no other reason than that accidents happen. They can happen in play, but happen just as easily while a person is keeping house or performing some other service. And even Dom/mes occasionally need a bandaid; i see it as part of a sub/slave's responsibility to be prepared just in case. :)



MrThorns -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/2/2005 6:45:18 AM)

One of the casualty treatment steps, besides CPR and the ABCs of First Aid, that I feel is an abolute must is the treatment for shock. I know it's taught in every First Aid course I have ever attended, but for some reason, people always seem to overlook this step when they head for the ER or call 911.

Thanks for posting this Fangs...we all need a reminder from time to time.

~Thorns



IronBear -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/2/2005 7:39:24 PM)

I agree shock is something that is overlooked. In many cases the person calling the emergency services is also in shock due to pure fright. However, it is reasonable to say that a number of people who die after being injured, actually die from shock, which can often be alleviated by someone just being there with them and giving comfort. Its amazing just what the presence of a friendly face and hearing a human voice can do when you are injured. So ok I have heaps if stories about such this including the value of even having a friendly dog with you when you are alone.. However the point is that shock can and does become irreversible and that is fatal.



sultryvoice -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/3/2005 4:47:57 PM)

As a Dungeon Monitor, we are required to have cpr and first aid. I went a bit further and I am certified to use a difibrillator. We are looking into getting one for the new place. We will have to recertify in cpr every year but only every 3 years for first aid.

I think everyone who plays should have the training. It is basic knowledge and not difficult to learn. It just takes time. I think I will be better equipped for my position and in the everyday world.

Respectfully,
sultry



Niran -> RE: First Aid Anyone? (8/3/2005 5:56:45 PM)

A few things-

quote:

Check with the local Red Cross, they offer free first aid courses.


I'm a Red Cross instructor. Many do not offer free courses anymore, as it is a source of revenue, and the Red Cross is non-profit. However many local fire departments do, or do it for a lot less $$ than ARC.

Second, I always suggest that no matter what side of the flogger you are on, get certified. You never know when it may come in handy. Anything from car accidents to people falling up a curb (happened the other day) to sticking your hand into the dishwater and cutting yourself on a butcher knife. The truth of the matter is, every time I have had to give first aid in a non-professional setting, it has been to a silly accident that the people were generally embarrassed about. Be aware that when you do take CPR you will need to give a hands-on demo, so dont wear a thigh high skirt and a down-to-here top. Before you roll your eyes, I have more than one time "gently excused" someone from class because they were dressed inappropriately.

Last, thanks for starting this thread. Safety is everyone's job, and it starts with you.

Niran



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