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Aphroditee -> trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/23/2007 9:17:16 PM)

This is a tricky question, and I'm somewhat hesitant to post it because it is so very personal, but I would apreciate any advice you all might have.

I'm new the whole D/s thing. I've been curious for about a year and have been discussing it with my (male) partner. Our 8 year relationship up to this point has been totally vanilla. I want to submit to him, but we are having a communication problem. He is the worlds nicest guy and really wants to please me, and because of that he is almost impossible to take seriously as a dominant. I've never been in a D/s relationship and am hoping to explore it with my boyfriend, but I'm not sure he can really take charge of the situation. I don't want to be giving direction all the time (I want that to be his job!) but he is rather unsure of himself.

Has anyone else experienced anything similar? Is turning a vanilla monogomous relationship into a D/s monogomous relationship a totally unheard of prospect?




Lordandmaster -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/23/2007 9:39:56 PM)

Does he want this because there's fire in his bones to dominate you, or does he want this because he thinks it will please you?

If it's the latter, there's not much hope, unfortunately.




iammachine -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/23/2007 11:05:58 PM)

If he doesn't have an inclination for dominance, then nothing is really doing to change that. He might be able to act, and he  might even enjoy roleplaying, but it will never really be a part of him.

Even for those of us that are rather naturally inclined, there is a bit of a learning curve. Imagine how awkward and unsure you were the first time you had sex, for example. No one is particularly graceful their first time out at something, it takes practice. Be patient and supportive.

In addition, I think it might be good for both of you to become more educated about BDSM and some of the things that you might enjoy exploring. Do you equate him being "dominant" with him doing "stuff" to you? What kind of "stuff" is that? Is it a spanking, is it giving you orders, is it him being really aggressive? Is the turn on for you the powerexchange aspects, or are you more turned on by activities, like bondage, s&m, or specific fetishes?

Food for thought. Best wishes!




Celeste43 -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 6:47:24 AM)

Men are taught early on that hitting girls is a bad thing. So you telling him that you want him to ignore all that training is going to be difficult.

One thing you can do is give positive feedback. Even if you were dreaming of a spanking that leaves you in tears, and his is far from that, you need to be appreciative. Hugging, kissing, rubbing up against him type stuff. If he sees that doing this makes you desperate to drag him off to bed, he'll be more willing to do it again.

As far as being a nice guy and therefore not dominant? That's a common fallacy. Are you really saying you want an abusive asshole instead? Nice guys are trustworthy, you can trust them not to do harm, not to pick up an implement and just start in swinging without knowing how to use it safely. And improperly used implements can do a lot of harm.

The common denominator I find in men who appeal to me as dominant, is confidence. They know what they know and they are confident about themselves and their areas of expertize. Confidence based in reality is hot.




IamJustMe2C -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 7:05:19 AM)

Take what Celeste43 and iammachine and Lordandmaster have said roll it all up together in one big ball and there you go. You cant improve on what has been said there just say it in 46894 different ways. Explor it have fun with it go as far as you want to with it. Realise you have to show him and talk to him about what you want. But be open to all things. With the time that you have with each other dont let this ruin your relationship though. You have 8 years with the man in a totally vanilla setting and its obvious you love him so no matter what happens with this continue loving him and go on loving him for 80 years more. Just do some really kinky shit from here on out.




chaosforge -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 8:14:22 AM)

Our relationship didn't start with all the titles and vocabulary of BDSM, but in retrospect the foundation was clearly there. Perhaps looking back might be helpful. Have you submitted some things to his pleasure?  As soon as we married, my Mate asked that i quit my job, and i agreed to it. This went against everything young women were taught (or that i was taught that women don't change their life plans to please men) but i was happy to do it.     Still by examining your relationship for what it truely  is should give you the answers if BDSM is a direction you can both take. Hope this helps- phoenix, mate of Chaosforge




toservez -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 10:58:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: iammachine

If he doesn't have an inclination for dominance, then nothing is really doing to change that. He might be able to act, and heĀ  might even enjoy roleplaying, but it will never really be a part of him.

Even for those of us that are rather naturally inclined, there is a bit of a learning curve. Imagine how awkward and unsure you were the first time you had sex, for example. No one is particularly graceful their first time out at something, it takes practice. Be patient and supportive.

In addition, I think it might be good for both of you to become more educated about BDSM and some of the things that you might enjoy exploring. Do you equate him being "dominant" with him doing "stuff" to you? What kind of "stuff" is that? Is it a spanking, is it giving you orders, is it him being really aggressive? Is the turn on for you the powerexchange aspects, or are you more turned on by activities, like bondage, s&m, or specific fetishes?

Food for thought. Best wishes!



I echo this and what every one else has written. On some level it has to be a desire in him to dominate. If you are OK with or just looking in doing some scenes then maybe something is within him to enjoy doing something within that context that works for both of you and just talking things out and experimenting to find a nice common ground.

As Celeste mentioned for people who are dominant by nature or the desire to be there is a journey to strip away societal preaching of right and wrong but there is also a personal journey of mutual trust building by the two people involved in the relationship. The trust a submissive must prove that doing the things or taking the things done to her are positive in nature and the person will not leave is a very important part of the journey. Many dominants new to the life have a difficulty in going from theory to practice because of the human trait of thinking everyone is just like them and getting bossed around or having pain and other things done to us is not consider a positive thing. It is the old I can only do this if you did something wrong to deserve it not just because I enjoy it type dilemma.

Still though no amount of time and effort will be enough if this is not what he wants on a core level. Certainly though worth pursuing and seeing one way or the other. I wish you well on your path.





AquaticSub -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 2:07:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aphroditee

I'm new the whole D/s thing. I've been curious for about a year and have been discussing it with my (male) partner. Our 8 year relationship up to this point has been totally vanilla. I want to submit to him, but we are having a communication problem. He is the worlds nicest guy and really wants to please me, and because of that he is almost impossible to take seriously as a dominant. I've never been in a D/s relationship and am hoping to explore it with my boyfriend, but I'm not sure he can really take charge of the situation. I don't want to be giving direction all the time (I want that to be his job!) but he is rather unsure of himself.

What have you taught him? You can't expect your standard novice painter to paint the Mona Lisa without any lessons whatsoever and I highly doubt your boyfriend is the undiscovered BDSM genius. Otherwise, you probably wouldn't be asking this question.
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Has anyone else experienced anything similar? Is turning a vanilla monogomous relationship into a D/s monogomous relationship a totally unheard of prospect?


Yes, I experience something very similar. Two years ago next month, Valyraen and I got together in a pretty vanilla relationship. I explained to him that I was submissive and that I already had some experience with it. I was willing to accept a vanilla relationship with kinky sex and explained my needs to him as clearly as I possibly could. Then I taught him everything that I had learned from the dominants I had played with, from flogging to how to drip wax. He learned on me and made his mistakes on me but it was fun to do it together.

I took him to play parties so that he could learn from other kinky folk and our relationship began to progress into something less vanilla with kink and more BDSM. I was already reading the forums and we would talk about things that I read here, figuring out what we liked and ignoring the rest. He had a lot of misconceptions about BDSM as a lifestyle and I was really the only person he knew. We worked through that. When we had been dating a little under a year, we made the "offical" transition to a 24/7 d/s relationship. It can be done and very successfully, but it will take work on your part. This is part of why a good number of submissives choose to only be involved with dominants who already have X amount of experience. For my relationship with Valyraen, it was definately worth it. I would do it all over again in a heartbeat.

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writergirl -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 2:19:06 PM)

You've gotten some very good comments already and I agree with most of them, so I won't repeat them. I would point out that just because he may be agreeing to explore this with you in order to please you, it does not mean he won't be caught by the fire of dominance (or submission, to throw a bit of a monkey wrench in it). He may realize that he's had desires that have gone untouched, etc, etc. So just because he may not be 'naturally dominant' right now, it does not mean he won't find that in himself through exploration.

The other thing I would suggest is giving him websites and/or books for him to do his own reading and exploring. I would recommend being very open about your own interests, but don't guide him in finding his. Let him find them himself. Point him to some message boards (include this one, but understand he may not want to post here if he has questions he doesn't want you to see). There's a huge wealth of information out there for anyone interested. If he does find a something in himself craving BDSM, you'll only need to lead him to the river... he'll dive in that thing, head first.

Best of luck,
wg




FRSguy -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 3:17:52 PM)

I have turned vanilla into sub but not into Dom (I only play with subs) however I think you could get away with it provided its something he is interesting in doing.  You might try getting the both of you out and about so to speak into the local play areas to observe what is going on or something like that... some way that he can see what it looks like so he dosnt feel so much like an idot when he tries to dominate you.  The problem you would run into is that a sub training a Dom is somewhat of a contradiction in terms because you have allready established your dominance in the relationship. In other words someone else has to teach him or he needs to learn compleatly on his own.  So..... you might want to direct him hear where he can rub elbos with a few of the Doms and maybe meet a Dom that is in a  D/S situation that is simular to the one that you guys want to have.  There are a lot of really heavy issues that vanillas have to get over in becoming a Dom.  I mean like tons... ones you have I am sure never realised or thought of that just has to do with the male ego and the way it plays out in our society so he may never be able to be a Dom and if he does come into his own then your relationship will get hit with big blows as he straitens his ego out so to speak.  Anyways, my point is that you probably would have to get into a situation where he at least watches moves about it and is attracted to those movies and where he can get in some kind of training at local events, books all that stuff and most importantly he needs to be the ones in the forums asking the questions and trying to find people of mutual interest.  You never know you might be able to find a couple on here that are willing to take a vanilla couple under there wing for a few months.....




Aphroditee -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 4:38:15 PM)

Wow. Thanks so much for all the great, insightful replies.

FRS, you hit the nail on the head with your comment about how "a sub training a Dom is somewhat of a contradiction in terms". I want to be the one being trained, but that's not possible right now. I think we really need to have a good long talk about exactly what we both want and if this is a possibility for us.

I like the idea of directing him to books and websites. I've shown him some stories I like, but mostly he's been hearing about this from me. Maybe I'll find a good book for is birthday coming up.

Unfortunately, introducing us to the scene by going to events isn't a possibility. I don't really know what it'd be like in a club or event, but I don't want to unintentionally freak him out. Besides, I'm in the middle of rural nowhere and if there is any place to go close by I don't know about it.

I really do apreciate all your replies. I'm glad I found this site, and it took me forever to work up the courage to actually join and post here, but I'm glad I did.




AquaticSub -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 4:47:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aphroditee

FRS, you hit the nail on the head with your comment about how "a sub training a Dom is somewhat of a contradiction in terms". I want to be the one being trained, but that's not possible right now. I think we really need to have a good long talk about exactly what we both want and if this is a possibility for us.

I like the idea of directing him to books and websites. I've shown him some stories I like, but mostly he's been hearing about this from me. Maybe I'll find a good book for is birthday coming up.


I strongly suggest reading the book first. Different authors have different takes on BDSM and what speaks to him may be perfectly awful to you. I would also suggest books that are not fiction or designed to arouse. "When Somone You Love is Kinky" could be a good resource for you.
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Unfortunately, introducing us to the scene by going to events isn't a possibility. I don't really know what it'd be like in a club or event, but I don't want to unintentionally freak him out. Besides, I'm in the middle of rural nowhere and if there is any place to go close by I don't know about it.


Attend first and without him. Some clubs really goth raves with some play spaces. Other events are just people sitting around and chatting. E-mail the people who run the events with questions. I suggest using google to find local events, or something close enough. Even if you can not find a local group, you can always find groups online and the both of you can learn from them.

If you are unwilling to teach him because you do not feel a submissive should teach the dominant, then I strongly suggest look into the local scene to find someone to teach him. You would not expect him to get behind the wheel of a car without any guidence, why this?

As always... my .02




iammachine -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/24/2007 9:38:35 PM)

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Unfortunately, introducing us to the scene by going to events isn't a possibility. I don't really know what it'd be like in a club or event, but I don't want to unintentionally freak him out. Besides, I'm in the middle of rural nowhere and if there is any place to go close by I don't know about it.


Events really aren't that scary of a place. I had the same concerns when I took a friend of mine with me to Folsom, talk about a trial by fire!

The extent of my friend's (heretoforth reffered to as "J") prior exposure to BDSM had consisted of listening to my banter (on a maybe incessant basis, I'm a natural professor...), and some light bondage play a month or so prior to my flying to Cali. I had asked J if he would be cool with going with me when I was planning my trip sometime prior, he said he was open minded and would like to go. In the time that elapsed between planning on going and the event, I had arranged a negotiation with a pony boy ("Jorge", not to be confused with "J" [:)]).

The closer to the event it came, the more I started worrying. I worried about whether or not J really would be okay at the event, I worried about how he would feel about actually seeing me play with other people, rather than just hear stories of my antics, I was worried about how my play date with Jorge would go, and I was worried about my little het vanilla boy in a sea of leather men. I was the Murphy's Law of agonizing over things.

Eventually, J took a time out and pretty much told me that he was a big boy, and he could make his own decisions, even if neither one of us were entirely sure what he was getting into (I had never been to Folsom, either). In retrospect, I was doing a lot of worrying when I should have been trusting his judgement.  Sure, I was responsible for making the experience happen, and to be considerate of how he felt, but that didn't change the fact that we were going, and if there were any hitches to be had, they could be addressed when they came up.

When all was said and done, Jorge was a wonderful pony, J was my trusty pack mule and we all had fun hanging out and at the event. Aside from being goosed a few times, both of the boys came out happy and unscathed, and I got to tie up two hot men! Woo!  I did not break J's vanilla brain, though he is decidedly less vanilla today. :)

As far as events go, here's a few things to think about.

Do nekkid people make you uncomfortable?
Do nekkid people doing naughty things to eachother make you uncomfortable?
Do people doing REALLY naughty things to each other make you uncomfortable?
Are you both secure in your relationship, and prepared for the inevitable flirting that will happen?
Are you not only secure in your relationship, but in your orientation, as flirting from your non-preferred gender may happen?

Generally, people at events are a little bit better versed in standard protocol. Most people are pretty polite and respectful of boundaries. Flirting will happen, though people tend to be pretty understanding if you're not interested in reciprocating, in my experience. Every village has it's idiot, unfortunately, so you will sometimes run in to people that might be a little too pushy or touchy, though they are generally fairly easily managed. As for events with play spaces, you are never required to play. If a scene is too "intense" for you to want to watch, you can always move on, as well.

I definitely very much highly suggest getting out into the community. I would probably suggest starting at smaller events on the local, state or regional level. Smaller events make it easier to actually network, since you're not lost in a throng of kinky people and the overall vibe of the event is more intimate. That and the benefit of regional events is that they're, well, regional. The people that you meet you will be able to more easily keep in touch with (unlike me... who has contacts all over the damn globe, but few locally). Munches are good for meeting people, as are clubs and bar nights. Warm up your google-fu and I am sure you can find something!




yuyu777 -> RE: trusting my boyfriend to dominate me (10/25/2007 4:46:42 AM)

I tried it a couple of times b4, to dom someone is not only about physical stuff, it has a lot to do with the dom feeling inside... if he doesnt have it, he doesnt have it, you wont be able to force it on him... even if he is very manly and you thought he could be a good dom... but he may not feel it...then it still cant work...
if he feels uncomfortable, dont force it... you have a 8 year relationship and a sweet nice guy, be happy! :)




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