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Vanatru -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/25/2007 11:22:32 AM)

shorty, I have to say that your wish to be broken really is a conquest fantasy, and the type of person I'd pass over as not having enough life (or at least lifestyle) experience to know the difference. If you wish to be a slave, it has to come from your heart, it has to be your greatest desire to please another instead of focusing on your own pleasure. That desire can't come through force: you might serve through fear, you might repress your anger at being forced, but desire from the heart to serve doesn't come from being forced.

If what you really mean is you want a strong master, a master that knows his mind, knows what he wants, and isn't apologetic about getting it from you, then look for that... but that's also not about being forced, that's about the type of guy you're looking for.




Celeste43 -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/25/2007 12:05:56 PM)

I want my son to be a rabbi, he wants to be the first Jewish NFL halfback. He may grow up to be a psychologist, or a gym teacher, or a businessman. Regardless of what he does I will be proud of him as long as he is a kind, loving person who always tries his hardest to succeed at his chosen field.

But 18 is too young to know what you want. Did you want this four years ago or did you then dream of being a ballerina, or a fashion model or a train conductor? Because just as your dreams then have changed drastically from what they now are, so will they in the next four years.

If you think you may want to be a slave, then decide to be the best one ever. That means making the most of yourself, making sure you can earn a good living to support your owner, making sure you use your intelligence to the highest potential so he will have a slave worth conversing with, one who can offer him positive feedback that is of use to him.

Very few people want a stupid slave who can't write a business letter, can't balance a checkbook, can't plan a household budget, can't afford to get the oil changed in their car, don't know how to change a flat tire, can't cook a healthy and tasty meal, etc.

The only one who would want a slave like that is equally ignorant and incompetent and then you'll be working at Walmart all your life. Is that what you want?




Rule -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/25/2007 12:18:53 PM)

Fast Reply
 
Anyone look at her profile and web site? Notice her low weight?




CreativeDominant -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/26/2007 12:53:33 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: lilshortyslave

i am a slave who wishes to find soemone who can break me and mould me into something worthwhile. however, due to the way i was brought up i am stubborn and irriating.
i want to find a Master who can break me. which at some points could turn out to be forced slavery, is that wrong to want to be changed for the better,
i am a second generation slave, my mother is an owned slave, she want me to be like her, and i want to make her proud. some one please give me some guidance.



Forgive me but are you not the same one who posted a thread titled "How Far Would you take it?" in which you complained about a master punishing you for failing to comply with his command for you to dominate.  Your complaint centered on him commanding you to do something that goes against your nature and then punishing you when you failed to do so.  Now, here you are speaking of wanting "Forced Submission"?

Forgive me but I would be leery of you because it seems that you are unsure what you want.  In the thread above, would you have been happier if the dominant in question had somehow "forced" you to dominate another?  Couldn't the argument be made that his punishment of you for not dominating as told was a means of forcing you into submitting to his will.  Yet...you complained about whether or not it was fair.  Yet...here you are asking if you are wrong for wanting to be "forced" to submit.

These two threads...and your profile...make you seem too much at question with yourself and too willing to defy a dominant and yet want to be "forced" into something you want...but with your specifications.  I would tell you that you should decide that certain things you state contradict other things you say...that's O.K., we all contradict ourselves sometimes BUT your contradictions could end up with some dominant in cuffs inside a police station.




Celeste43 -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/26/2007 3:40:21 PM)

Reading her profile and her other posts, I'm suspicious in the extreme about the op. 'She' says in the profile she  has had no r/l experience, yet another post states she was with a master until he brought another slave to their home. Hmmm.




Rover -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/26/2007 4:21:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle

While there is nothing wrong with wanting or fantasizing about any particular thing, it is important to understand that some wants and fantasies are best left as just those.  They make useful masturbation or role/play material, but they're unrealistic to hope for in reality.


This is worth reading again.  I am fond of saying that some great fantasies make for crappy realities.  Well said, Harry.
 
John




xoxi -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/26/2007 4:34:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Fast Reply
 
Anyone look at her profile and web site? Notice her low weight?


She lives in AU.  Perhaps she meant 54 kg and didn't change it from the default of lbs?




slavegirljoy -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/26/2007 5:54:55 PM)

Are you wanting this for yourself or for your mother?  If it's not for yourself, maybe you need to rethink this and figure out what you do want for yourself, before getting involved in something that might end up being the worst thing to ever happen to you.  In can be the best thing but, probably not, if it's for the wrong reasons. 
 
Why don't you feel that you are already a worthwhile person?  Why do you feel that it requires someone else to beat you down and mold you into a worthwhile person?
 
It's not wrong to want to make changes in your life for the better but, are you wanting to change your behavior, that might be negative or destructive or, are you wanting to change who you are, because you don't feel good about yourself?  If you don't feel good about yourself, you might want to talk with a professional counselor, who is kink-friendly, so that you can sort out your negative feelings about yourself.   For a listing of Kink Aware Professionals see, http://www.ncsfreedom.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=75.
 
There's nothing wrong with having a strong desire to be a slave or to have strong desires to be forced to do things for your Master or to have strong desires to be punished or disciplined or to feel pain.  Your feelings of worthlessness, however, could be a problem, because, i believe that, if you feel that you are worthless, no amount of physical pain or punishment or forced enslavement or love or anything else is going to help you to stop feeling worthless.  That's something that you need to work out within yourself and that can sometimes be more easily done with the help of a professional counselor. 
 
i have struggled with periods of feeling worthless, sometimes for very long stretches of time, and i had to work at turning those feelings around and believing in my value as a person and as a slave.  Master David has been the best therapist i have ever known.  He has been extremely patient and has worked with me to help me learn how to get rid of most of those old, destructive, self-doubting and self-hating thoughts that i carried with me.  He couldn't do that for me.  i had to do it.  He couldn't beat it out of me but, He could help me to learn to change my negative way of thinking and looking at myself.  He has given me so much more confidence in myself than i have ever known before.  And, that confidence and self-worth have made me a much better slave than i was before. 
 
 i don't serve and take beatings for the purpose of punishing myself for being a 'bad' person.  i serve and take beatings because i believe it is what i was destined to do and it's what i am truly good at and it's what gives me a feeling of peace inside. 
 
You can be a slave and still feel like a worthwhile person.  It's okay to be a slave who enjoys being forced and enjoys feeling pain and enjoys being humiliated and told that she's worthless.  And, you can do that, while feeling that you are a person of worth and value.  i am such a slave.  i have a deep need and desire to be completely owned and to be forced to do lots of things that i wouldn't do on my own and to be humiliated and humbled and, i know that i am a person of worth and value. 
 
i am worthy of being my Master's slave and i know that my Master considers me worthy, also.  i could have been in a very bad place, if i had felt worthless and i had gone to serve a Master who didn't see any worth in me and treated me like a piece of shit or a disposable being.  That could have ended tragically.  Now, i have the life i have dreamed of and searched for, for so many years, and i know that i will be able to live this life for as many years as i have left on earth.  It's a very nice thing to be a slave because you want to be a slave and you feel good about being a slave.  i chose this life for myself because i know it's where i belong and where i feel my best.  It was a conscious choice, i made for myself and, not for anyone else.
quote:

ORIGINAL: lilshortyslave
i am a slave who wishes to find soemone who can break me and mould me into something worthwhile. however, due to the way i was brought up i am stubborn and irriating.
i want to find a Master who can break me. which at some points could turn out to be forced slavery, is that wrong to want to be changed for the better,.

quote:

i am a second generation slave, my mother is an owned slave, she want me to be like her, and i want to make her proud. some one please give me some guidance

(Note:  i highlighted the parts that i wanted to address in my response to you)
 
Best wishes in your journey.

slave joy
Owned property of Master David




Rule -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/26/2007 6:06:27 PM)

That makes sense.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/27/2007 7:49:08 PM)

Before someone can effectively mold you into something YOU are proud of, you first have to 'break' yourself. Start looking at WHY you act, react and feel the way you do. Take on that responsibility yourself...and you'll have something of much higher value to offer a Master.

Master Fire




Lordandmaster -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/27/2007 8:25:43 PM)

Ahh, but that would be Marshall Goldberg, newly (and posthumously) inducted into the Hall of Fame.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06096/679908-233.stm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Celeste43

I want my son to be a rabbi, he wants to be the first Jewish NFL halfback.




InkedMaster -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/28/2007 5:49:33 AM)

Hmmm the OP's profile has vanished, imagine that! and she seemed so sincere. (this is the part where I roll my eyes)




MasterDaveM -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/28/2007 11:16:03 AM)

i learned a long time ago that this lifestyle is FULL of people claiming this or that, when in reality much of it is a quasi rape/fetish fantasy




Celeste43 -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/28/2007 1:07:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Ahh, but that would be Marshall Goldberg, newly (and posthumously) inducted into the Hall of Fame.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06096/679908-233.stm

quote:

ORIGINAL: Celeste43

I want my son to be a rabbi, he wants to be the first Jewish NFL halfback.



News to me. Thanks LaM. However, I can assure you my son won't be the second. Not based on their record this year 0 - 8, oy vey.




sweetstorm -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (10/29/2007 1:49:42 PM)

Is "forced submission" submission?




kinkypuppy2 -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (11/4/2007 12:32:02 PM)

Since this persons (original poster) profile is no longer in existance, It appears that instead of finding the right persons, they have decided to run. I hope that is not the case.
I also hope that they do not find the "wrong" kind of person or a "wannabe" to assist them.

Phil 




RRafe -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (11/4/2007 7:31:57 PM)

A girl once told me, Bondage isn't real-until I say "Let me go"

And you reply "no"

[;)]




Vanatru -> RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? (11/5/2007 9:45:58 AM)

lol, got that right, Rafe. ... I tend to be a perverse sadist, iow, I don't necessarily do the thing the maso really thinks feels good, I do the thing that would really be sadistic. Like: she'll be all tied up and WANT me to spank her, and instead, I tickle her to amuse myself. LOL




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