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is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 10:01:59 PM   
lilshortyslave


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Status: offline 		i am a slave who wishes to find soemone who can break me and mould me into something worthwhile. however, due to the way i was brought up i am stubborn and irriating.
i want to find a Master who can break me. which at some points could turn out to be forced slavery, is that wrong to want to be changed for the better,
i am a second generation slave, my mother is an owned slave, she want me to be like her, and i want to make her proud. some one please give me some guidance.
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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 10:06:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lilshortyslave

i am a slave who wishes to find soemone who can break me and mould me into something worthwhile. You already are worthwhile.
however, due to the way i was brought up i am stubborn and irriating.
i want to find a Master who can break me. which at some points could turn out to be forced slavery, well its not really forced slavery if this is something you are consenting to imo.
is that wrong to want to be changed for the better, absolutely not ..though the power to change is within you.
i am a second generation slave, my mother is an owned slave, she want me to be like her, and i want to make her proud. Making yourself happy will make her proud i am certain.
some one please give me some guidance.
You should explore and learn though i would tread carefully until you are sure that this is something you want to commit to.
I wish you luck in your journey.


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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 10:08:40 PM   
applecandy


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Status: offline 		It's not wrong to want that - as long as your desire for it is genuine. If this is truly what you want to do, and you find a Master willing to take you, then I wish you B/both well. However - do not commit to this if you aren't completely sure that this is what you want. Once you get into the forced submission mode, your protests will almost definitely be ignored.

Good luck, little one. :)

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 10:37:51 PM   
SixFootMaster


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Status: offline 		See the other thread on breaking subs/slaves for more information. You'll find a lot of resistance to the idea, but above all else be true to who and what you are - don't trying to be something you are not, and don't let others try to make you something you are not.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 10:40:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lilshortyslave

i am a slave who wishes to find soemone who can break me and mould me into something worthwhile. however, due to the way i was brought up i am stubborn and irriating.
i want to find a Master who can break me. which at some points could turn out to be forced slavery, is that wrong to want to be changed for the better,
i am a second generation slave, my mother is an owned slave, she want me to be like her, and i want to make her proud. some one please give me some guidance.



That depends on how well you manage to abide by the initial deal. No one is going to bother to go through this much hassle if it entails real risk-like you going to the cops. The question really is-do YOU know how deep your reactance REALLY runs?

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 10:41:54 PM   
crouchingtigress


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Status: offline 		well the old saying goes...becareful what you wish for.... i speak from experiance when i say to you,  that i understand the ache you have, and yet in my case there was so much i did not know, so much i thought i wanted but found out i hated...and it was very very hard to escape once i had made my choice.

i think you might want to try living like a slave, perhaps your mom could help you, she or a friend of hers might want to give you a practice run, take away your money, make you do anything they want, not let you on the furniture, ect....my thinking here (albeit out of the box) is that if you hate the experiance of reliquishing your personal freedoms with them, youll prolly not dig slavery very much. yes i know that having the right man might change the dynamic.....but you cant know that for sure...and you have an awful lot to loose if your are wrong.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 10:51:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lilshortyslave

i am a second generation slave, my mother is an owned slave, she want me to be like her, and i want to make her proud. some one please give me some guidance.



My advice? Don't do it just because your mother wants you to. It's not much different than following in your mothersteps if she were an accountant and you were inclined towards painting without a clue as to how numbers fit together. Completely set aside wanting to make mother proud, she should be proud of you dominant, submissive or just plain vanilla, and figure out if this what you want, what works for you and what fulfills you.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 10:55:54 PM   
MissMagnolia


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Status: offline 		I'm a little uncertain about what you are really asking.

You state that you are a slave, but that you want a master who will force you into slavery. You already identify as a slave. Also, as astarri said, consenting to forced slavery isn't being broken. It is your desire, therefore not breaking you. You are "stubborn and irritating" due to your upbringing, but your mother is an owned slave. Is she also stubborn and irritating?  

The next thing is your mother being a slave and her wanting you to be like her. You must choose your own path. Are you doing this to make her proud, or because slavery is what you want? I realise our childhood environment is, for the major part, what shapes us, but no one HAS to be what a parent wants us to be. We all, including you, have choices.

You are very young, and nothing is written in stone. Just make sure that what you are doing is because it truly is what you want, not what you think your mother should have.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 11:01:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lilshortyslave
i want to find a Master who can break me. which at some points could turn out to be forced slavery,


While there is nothing wrong with wanting or fantasizing about any particular thing, it is important to understand that some wants and fantasies are best left as just those.  They make useful masturbation or role/play material, but they're unrealistic to hope for in reality.

In the United States and I imagine in all other countries whose legal systems are based on English Common Law, such as Australia, one cannot legally give up one's right to withdraw consent.  This means that should you find the "Master" you wrote of, the first time you DEMAND (and trust me on this, at some point, you will make this demand) that he stop what he's doing and/or let you go, he must do one of two possible things.

One, by far the safest course of action, is for him to accede to your demand.

His only other possible course of action is to make sure that he NEVER lets you go, that you NEVER get a chance to escape from him.  In other words, either kill you and dispose of your remains, or keep you securely locked up for the rest of your life, or at least for the rest of his.

Otherwise, no matter how strongly you've agreed to "forced slavery," no matter how comprehensive a contract you may have made with him, should you ever get away from him and go to the police, he will spend the rest of his life in prison.


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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/24/2007 11:14:53 PM   
chickpea


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Status: offline 		How can a slave make choices?  If she were able to, then she wouldn't be a slave.  I mean there's probably a desire deep down inside to be a slave.  But for a Master to take you into being a slave, it's his choice.  I see nothing wrong with being taken like that, as his choice would correspond with your desires.  So in that sense you're still the slave you are, and it's still P.C. enough to work in the U.S. where slavery is illegal.  Hopefully this Master will provide you with a healthy non-abusive environment that you can serve in. 
I guess that's where I see the "choice" issue, if you trust your gut and see if this person is healthy vs. non-healthy, I think from the beginning you would either *allow him to take you or not*, based on this feeling.  If it's your desire and you want to willfully submit to someone abusive, I suppose that's another issue.. 

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 12:07:37 AM   
julietsierra


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Status: offline 		Y'know.. my mom isn't a slave. I am. And strangely, she's still proud of me. I understand the desire to want something so badly but there are many more things about you that will make your mother proud of you other than this. I'd urge you to work on those things first. The very idea that you see yourself as somehow worthless is disturbing and while I understand the fantasy, I can't help thinking that perhaps the resistance and stubbornness you're speaking of is your body's way of protecting you from yourself.

It's not that I think you shouldn't follow this road you seem to be on. It's that I think that until you can follow it feeling that you are a whole and complete person from the beginning, that it's a road that has some real dangers along the way for you. Wanting to live our lives the way our parents want us to is an understandable desire. Living our lives the way we were meant to is the real goal - even if it's not the way our parents would have lived theirs.

juliet

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 12:18:10 AM   
MissMagnolia


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ORIGINAL: chickpea

How can a slave make choices?  If she were able to, then she wouldn't be a slave.  I mean there's probably a desire deep down inside to be a slave. 

Even children have choices. Unless all the slaves in the world are braindead, how can you say they have no choices? They choose which master/mistress they serve. Unless they have been kidnapped and forced into secret slavery, which I haven't seen much sign of on here.

Take a look at some of the posts of the slaves on here. They are thinking, living creatures with opinions and preferences. They are not mindless zombies.

Most slaves are slaves to a particular person, not to the entire world.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 7:00:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		my first piece of advice...you want someone to take you seriously? re-do your profile...it looks like a porn bot...that i am responding at all tells you that i realize you're not...

i know you're gonna hate hearing this...cause i hated hearing it when i was 18, and i did, over and over...give yourself some time to grow up...you don't have to decide the rest of your life today....and honestly...the concept of being broken and molded into someone new...is a something a lifelong partner should do...and i thought i found my life long partner when i was 18, my first Master...and then he abandonded me when i was 20....litterally....dropped me off at my parents house, said he'd be back in 6 months and i never heard from him again...and it took me a long time to get over that...i'm not saying don't have relationships, and i'm not saying don't have fun....but...do give yourself time to grow up...cause its hard to heal the hurt we cause ourselves that can be avoided just by listening to the people that warned us....and i wish i had listened to the people that warned me...and they told me that one day i would say that....eh....they were right...bastards....

good luck...
chelle


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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 7:33:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chickpea

How can a slave make choices?  If she were able to, then she wouldn't be a slave.  I mean there's probably a desire deep down inside to be a slave. 


They choose whose  collar they accept. They choose where to look for an owner. They think and have their own opinions. When given an order, they choose how best to follow it. Sometimes slaves have to make choices based on what they think their owner would want because their owner isn't around at the moment and isn't reachable.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 8:06:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you desire to be "broken" by a Master, more power tp you. Though I do wonder if maybe what you are really seeking is a Master who is able to temper your stubbornness and irritating nature? It makes more sense to me that having my stubbornness, willfulness, nature to be forged and tempered into assets as opposed to negatives to benefit my Master and thus myself.
   There is nothing wrong with changing for the better in my eyes. Which I am sure the right Master for you will see beyond your stubborn nature and have the ability to take your not so positive attributes and change them into assets which will benefit him and yourself in the end.


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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 8:16:38 AM   
astarri


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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia



You are "stubborn and irritating" due to your upbringing, but your mother is an owned slave. Is she also stubborn and irritating?  



i was also a little curious about this. Perhaps were you rebelling against what your mother is? Do you still think you are doing this and yet now are trying to conform to what she is?

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 9:36:44 AM   
batshalom


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Status: offline 		This makes me very sad.

Go to the movies, be young and too interested in what your friends say. Sneak cigarettes and gossip and talk about the hottest boys. Your mother loves you, regardless.

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 9:48:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lilshortyslave

i am a slave who wishes to find soemone who can break me and mould me into something worthwhile. however, due to the way i was brought up i am stubborn and irriating.
i want to find a Master who can break me. which at some points could turn out to be forced slavery, is that wrong to want to be changed for the better, i am a second generation slave, my mother is an owned slave, she want me to be like her, and i want to make her proud. some one please give me some guidance.



You have asked for advice and that you will get, I know I am repeating some of what others have said above, but, the more times you hear something the more it makes sence. 
 
REDO your profile; it is very inconsistant. You cannot talk about yourself in 3rd person one moment and in 1st another, its inconsistant. 
 
Who says that you are not 'something worthwhile'?? Some wannabe?? We are ALL worthwhile in our own special ways. Stop putting yourself down. 
 
Have you ever been involved in or SEEN someone broken before?? Its a very tramatic and sometimes very brutal experience, I experienced some of it first hand when I was new, the process was not completed because my natural instincts kicked into high gear and I realized that I was being dehuminzed and loosing my soul and who I am.  I'm not an animal, nor am I without a soul.  I made a definate 180 and starting reevaluating who I am what I really wanted out of this lifestyle and my M/s relationships.
 
Why are YOU doing this??  If it's because your mother wants you too, then you are living in her shadow and you need to find out who YOU are.  We don't always do what our parents want us to do, THAT is what makes us who WE are; not them.  Make your OWN decisions and what is right for YOU.  What may have been the right decision for your mother may not be the right decision for you.
 
My parents wanted me to get my docterine in marine science and follow in the foot steps of a cousin; I was on that path for years, things changed, and I didn't go to college; I have no regrets, things just took a different path. It happens.  Make your own decisions and don't have ANY regrets for making a decision that is NOT what your mother wants for you.   

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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 9:50:52 AM   
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a slave who wishes to find soemone who can break me and mould me into something worthwhile. however, due to the way i was brought up i am stubborn and irriating.
i want to find a Master who can break me. which at some points could turn out to be forced slavery, is that wrong to want to be changed for the better,
i am a second generation slave, my mother is an owned slave, she want me to be like her, and i want to make her proud. some one please give me some guidance.


If you are stubborn and irritating, that's by your own choice.  How did your slave mother bring you up to be stubborn and irritating when her ultimate goal was to make you a slave?

I have similar fantasies.  Whether fantasies like that should become a reality...that's up to the person in question.  I cannot decide the 'wrongness' of it, but at this point in my life EVEN with a a man I plan to marry and be with forever, it's not pragmatic.  It's a point we might reach eventually, when we are both ready.  I would think it's a lot of work and responsibility.  We just don't have the time or the resources to do it right now.

I wouldn't feel comfortable jumping into a relationship and starting the process right off or even with in the first years or two.  I would also be uncomfortable jumping into a relationship for this sole purpose.  It doesn't seem like enough to sustain a relationship.


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RE: is it wrong to want forced submission? - 10/25/2007 9:59:08 AM   
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