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Gauge -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/2/2005 7:04:31 PM)

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judgemental preference IS personal sociological predjudice. Think, "discriminating taste". Whether you impair yourself daily with caffiene or pot or the avoidance of all toxins in meat making value judgements on others who do not share your discriminating taste is a personal sociological predjudice. See also idiom: each to his own


Nice use of the buzz word judgmental however what were expressed were opinions, not judgments. See also: Belief. Feeling. View.

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I don't know if you're are talking about illegal substances. I'm talking about narcotics and stimulants both legal
and illegal.


The thread is dealing with illegal substances and other legal substances have been thrown into the mix.

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The distinction between the government sanctioned substances and the banned substances is irrelevant to me.


It may be irrelevant to you, but there is a distinction.




subcheryl -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/2/2005 8:09:33 PM)

thank you onceburned, appreciate the help.




lovingmaster45 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/3/2005 4:21:53 AM)

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Its very simple;
DRUG USSERS ARE LOSSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I have seen some dumb statements before; but this one takes the cake.

Raising my hand...a drug user...all the way through Vietnam...mainly hash; but occassionally some morphine.

All the way through college..after Nam..mostly amphetamines...the good kind too. 25 mg dextroamphetamine sulfate...stole it by the gallon jug from the pharmaca in the Navy.

Then cocaine while I lived with my gay buddies at LaJolla Beach.


Got too old to do drugs. Like old sinners in church...lol.

Loser you say? Try this. PhD. Retired USC professor. Successful real estate developer.

I loved my impaired life. I wish I were young again and could do it all over again. If this is what it is liek to be a loser, I will take it...Thanks.




HCWT1 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/3/2005 4:36:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2


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ORIGINAL: HCWT1

Its very simple;
DRUG USSERS ARE LOSSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But they won't necessarily lose spelling bees

*giggling and cyber running away*



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Think before you leap,what i wrote was for a purpose.

As haveing had a major drug habbet and haveing gone through
fifteen days of sheer hell(cold turkey)i have no tollarance for drugs
of any kind.
Have your little bit of fun,but i really hope you dont ever have to
sit by a freind or go through what i did.

Sorry if i sound bitchy,

HCWT1






BlkTallFullfig -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/3/2005 7:42:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: lovingmaster45
Raising my hand...a drug user...all the way through Vietnam...mainly hash; but occassionally some morphine.

All the way through college..after Nam..mostly amphetamines...the good kind too. 25 mg dextroamphetamine sulfate...stole it by the gallon jug from the pharmaca in the Navy.

Then cocaine while I lived with my gay buddies at LaJolla Beach.


Got too old to do drugs. Like old sinners in church...lol.

Loser you say? Try this. PhD. Retired USC professor. Successful real estate developer.

You know Lovingmaster, I read this and think kool... A man who wasn't afraid to live and knows when it is no longer fun/good for him...

I've always wondered though what makes the people that become absolutely addicted/dependent on mind altering substances that way though? The people that lose health, family, and would die on the streets if someone didn't drag them off?
I hope I'm not too judgemental about how each adult lives his life; my position is each of us should be able to live (or die) on our own terms as long as we don't prey on others... I've absolutely no problem with, in fact on some level admire what you experienced, but I feel so sad and helpless when I see people hopeless/helpless to the destruction of drugs.. M




MstrHellsFury -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/3/2005 3:38:16 PM)

just been sitting back watching the replies for awhile...this is supposed to be about YOUR opinion...we all have one...it's about what you think about drugs in a scene...for some it's right..for others it's wrong...for some it's a little of both...then we throw in the legality of drug useage...sodomy...restrant...bondage..etc...what's law ..what's good /bad...ok here's this squeaky wheel making noise...if I say I've never done drugs..I'd be lying...don't ask me about woodstock...I can hardly remember I was there...and Nam..or all of southeast asia for that matter...a complete haze...but that was the times I lived in...I don't do anything stronger than my ciggs and pipe today..even those are a bad thing but they're legal...personal choice...more BS...but to the topic as it was related for consumption...I would never do any mind altering substances during this period...I wouldn't take on anyone who could no appericate the reality of what their mind and body shouts out to them...in other words how would I know what's me and what's not...forget the injury issue...that's present reguardless...heighted maybe but still there... I'm a extremely proficient handler of the impliments of spanking..but I've also come to be very good at blade play...fire play and breath play...just picture reading about me in the national news and the blot it would put on the life in general if headlines screamed out..."Last night in a drug indused frenzy..man nearly beats..burns and strangled woman..tied up and bleeding from what appeared to be numerious knife wounds...bearly breathing...the woman was taken to the hospital where dr.s determined the blood alcohol level was 3 times the legal limit...more as this story develops...


Fury




mistoferin -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/3/2005 7:52:47 PM)

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just picture reading about me in the national news and the blot it would put on the life in general if headlines screamed out..."Last night in a drug indused frenzy..man nearly beats..burns and strangled woman..tied up and bleeding from what appeared to be numerious knife wounds...bearly breathing...the woman was taken to the hospital where dr.s determined the blood alcohol level was 3 times the legal limit...more as this story develops...


Wonderful point! No man is an island and what we do as individuals has a tendency to have a trickle down effect on others. We need to understand that when we are making personal choices there are sometimes others that need to be considered. A scene like the one you described would be an awful blot as you say on this lifestyle if it was conducted even in the privacy of your own home. Now imagine a scene gone bad at a public event and all in attendance are answering questions to a long line of police officers and media. It could happen with or without drugs...but with them there is added stigma.




domm4subf1970 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/4/2005 7:57:50 AM)

Do not like drungs at all.




lovingmaster45 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/6/2005 3:48:58 AM)

This thread is an example of just how judgemental a lot of people in this lifestyle are.

I happened across a profile that each of you should look at. A lovely girl who has found HER kink. You would judge her? Shame on you.

Head Bitch and I run a bdsm/hedonist group that has 3 people like this profile and we offer them a safe outlet for their play. There is always someone to drive them home or just tuck them in where they are.

When we were in a "formal" bdsm group we left because of just this kind of intolerance. In the CROP group it was primarily prejudice agains anyone who was not in a committed male/female pair; woe be the gay male or the swinger.

Do take a deep preath people and go look at: sweetmidnight27

I hope she never has to deal with the rejection most of you would expose her to.




onceburned -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/6/2005 4:04:26 AM)

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I happened across a profile that each of you should look at.


She is 20 years old. I would think that many 20 year olds engage in riskier activities than they would when they are older.




sweetmidnight27 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/6/2005 7:37:33 AM)

I probably do engage in riskier things than you.
And my mindset is sure to change as we get older - thats the fun part of growing.
That's fine, and thanks for not being nasty, but i would love to point out that not all users are idiots, or uneducated. Education is key to not making these expereinces a one-shot-oops-hospital problem. I'm lucky to be smart enough that as soon as i started sticking outside substances in my body of my own accord, I wanted to know how and why they worked, what they did at what levels, etc. (do YOU know where your opoid receptors are? If so, i applaud)
I'd also like to make the point, just in general, that the "legally sanctioned" substances in this country are some of the MOST dangerous: nictoine is without a doubt the most addictive substance on the planet, and alcohol is the only one that can kill you with withdrawal. DT's are far uglier than opoid withdrawal. Not to mention the totally uncontrolled use of caffeine and sugar - ever try to quit your AM coffee? Or not use processed sugar(funny, it looks and acts a lot like another plant extract form south america, not to mention contributing to a host of physical problems)? Both are hard to wean off of, and most of our society has been using them since age 5 or so, and can;t imagine life wihtout them.
Of course this doesn;t make other things "less" risky, but it puts the situation in perspective. Legality is something we have to deal with but not neccesarily agree on - the criteria for legal things in this country is, pardon me, fucked. I have had more problems from being on Vioxx for 2 years than i ever did with any research chemicals, schedule 1 or 2 or 3 substances. Hello, slight heart murmur. The medical-industrial complex is an entirely different story, so, I'm going to try and shut up now.




nenakajira -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/6/2005 9:28:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Gauge

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Oh- and I think the idea that cigarettes and alcohol is legal and many other basic drus are not is ridiculous. Either we believe adults can choose for themselves what they want in their own bodies or we don't.


Perhaps I am reading this wrong, but how is it ridiculous that cigarettes and alcohol are legal and other drugs aren't? People have freedom of choice as to what they put into their bodies within the laws of the land. Does that stop people from using? Obviously not. I am sure if they outlawed french fries tomorrow there would be someone on the corner selling illegal fries and people would be buying them. If you want to disregard one law, why not throw out the rest of them as well? I mean, if adults can choose to do what they see fit, then why have the laws in the first place? Not agreeing with the laws is one issue and we have the freedom in the USA to do that. Not abiding by the laws is a choice that carries consequences if caught.



yay libertarians *grins* But she does have a point. Alcohol is more damaging than pot... but alcohol is legal. Prohobition was a terrible experiment... and obviously didn't work out. So if some mind altering substances are okay.. but others arent.. maybe its not that people are antidrug.. just anti what doesnt get them going. or anti what wont make them alot of immediate income. After all, taxes on alcohol and cigs are pretty fantastically high now.




mistoferin -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/6/2005 9:47:26 AM)

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I'm lucky to be smart enough that as soon as i started sticking outside substances in my body of my own accord, I wanted to know how and why they worked, what they did at what levels, etc.


Than you should also be smart enough to know that there is no guarantee as far as quality or quantity in a street drug and every single time you stick one of those outside substances into your body of your own accord you are taking a gamble.

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(do YOU know where your opoid receptors are? If so, i applaud)

No, but I do know where my opioid receptors are. I assumed this wasn't merely a typo as you have used it several times in your post.

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nictoine is without a doubt the most addictive substance on the planet

Yes it is, but unlike alchohol, cocaine and opiate drugs, the addiction is largely, but not entirely psychological. Nicotine does not trigger the body to manufacture tetrahydro isoquinilone...the substance that directly affects the dopamine and endorphin receptors of the brain and determines whether or not an addiction is a disease.

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alcohol is the only one that can kill you with withdrawal. DT's are far uglier than opoid withdrawal

People have and do die from opiate withdrawal. You have obviously never seen anyone try to kick a heavy heroin, or worse yet, methadone addiction cold turkey. As a substance abuse counselor, I have seen both opiate withdrawal and DT's many times over.

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Of course this doesn't make other things "less" risky, but it puts the situation in perspective.

With all due respect, it only puts it into a perspective that is acceptable or easier to rationalize for you. I am not naive when it comes to any aspect of substance use or abuse and I do recognize the difference. I grew up during the 70's and will be first to admit that I don't remember much of that time, or at the very least only remember it through the haze. I've done drugs that have expanded my conciousness, lowered my inhibitions, enhanced my sexual responses, calmed my nerves, given me energy and stamina and just about every other effect out there that a drug can possibly do. I have also done drugs that have made my heart beat at dangerous levels, made my nose bleed uncontrollably for hours, given me horrifying headaches, caused uncontrollable paranoia and made me sick to my stomach. I have done drugs that were much weaker than I had expected...and also much more potent than I could ever have imagined. But then I did as most people do, I got a bit older, and a bit more mature and I decided that the risks were no longer acceptable to me and my life.

I am not trying to condemn people for their drug use or experimentation, I am certainly not in a position to judge. What I am trying to say is that in the context of this thread, combining drugs with play is a risky behavior. What I am trying to say is that as an adult you are free to make a decision whether or not you wish to assume that risk for yourself. What I am also trying to say is that if you choose to partake in such behavior at a public function, it is no longer a decision of personal responsibility or accountability, unless of course you have garnered the consent of every individual present. What I am saying is that while considering whether or not you are willing to take such a risk for yourself, do so from a perspective that is open minded enough to consider ALL of the factors, including the backlash of what could happen to those other individuals present or the possible pock mark on this lifestyle as a whole should something go wrong. What I am also trying to say is that there are those of us who choose to live our lives free of drugs, their risks and their consequences....and also to live and play in an environment that is free from those who wish to use drugs. We are as equally entitled to have made the choices that we have as you have to make yours....no matter how close minded you may think we are.




lovingmaster45 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/7/2005 4:02:38 AM)

Does anyone see a commonality here? The old farts saying; "Listen to me young person. I have done that and it is BAD for you."...lol.
You did it. All young people do it. It is called experimenting with life. From my anthropological studies, I can tell you that all cultures have found a way to alter their conscious state.
Get off your podium and try to help these young ones make their experimentations safer. My parents did it with alcohol and so do most europeans; but woe is the parent who does it now and the neighbors find out. Seem s I cannot pick up a newspaper or turn on the news without a story of some parent being arrested for supplying alcohol to underage "children". Now there is a concept "children". If you kills someone at age 12; you might be tried as an adult. You can join the military and kills someone at age 17. But have a drink? Arrest the criminal. Does this make any sense?

And do not start me on the university. When I went to UNC, we had to get a permit for alcohol in the frat house. The house advisor had to be there. The campus cops always "dropped in". It was a risky "adult building" experience under the watchful eye of older adults. Now? The universities MUST take a "hands off" approach and bust any alcohol on campus. the response of the sutdents? Off campus parties. Totally unsupervised. Results? Deaths form excessive drinking. Deaths from driving back to campus. Does this make any sense?

All of this happened because of the kind of "knee jerk" response I have read here on these boards; from people who supposedly lead an open and free lifestyle. So what do you think all the little ole housewives in tennis shoes think?

Or do they think? Obviously no one thought throught the effects of lowering the drinking age.

Rant is over...Have a nice day.




mistoferin -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/7/2005 6:07:35 AM)

I am quoting your words from another thread.

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"Alcoholism" is a made-up "disease". My Father was a drunk.
Yes, I have heard of the intoxication fetish and it extends beyond alcohol.
My first encounter was in college. It began with what I like to refer to as the "soroity girls mating call"..."I am sooo drunk".
That was a signal she was ready to be fucked. Now they call it date rape...go figure.


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You said it for me. Drunks are volunteers. I know. I lived with one and at one time I also was one. It is not a disease. It is a personal weakness.


In these quotes you say your father was a drunk and you are too. Now if I am reading your current response correctly you are proposing that we help our children to experiment with drugs and alcohol. Why? Because it worked out so obviously well for you?

You also went on to say that you view a drunk woman as "needing to be fucked". Should we make up a poster with that little bit of wisdom and stick it in the boys locker rooms on every college campus?

Keep going though, you're proving all of my points much better than I can.




lovingmaster45 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/7/2005 7:50:39 AM)

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In these quotes you say your father was a drunk and you are too. Now if I am reading your current response correctly you are proposing that we help our children to experiment with drugs and alcohol. Why? Because it worked out so obviously well for you?


Read. It says WAS. I broke my Father of his drunkeness. I had a child. My father was not allowed to see his grandchild until my Mother told me he had been sober for 6 months. He was. He made his first visit. I told him any slip on his part and he would be banned for another 6 months. That got his attention and stopped his drunkeness.
You assert that I am a drunk.. I clearly said I WAS one. Returning from Vietnam did that to me; no excuse, that is just how it happened. I fell down a flight of stairs and told my wife if she would get me home without opening her mouth, that she would never see me like that agian. I have not been drunk since then...xmas 1968. No disease...a chosen weakness. I stand by my statements. I also stand by the ones you chose not to quote.




lovingmaster45 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/7/2005 7:55:21 AM)

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You also went on to say that you view a drunk woman as "needing to be fucked". Should we make up a poster with that little bit of wisdom and stick it in the boys locker rooms on every college campus?


We don't need a poster. Every young college man already knows it.. The danger for women is the women who hold seminars that tell women that NO means NO...bullshit. I have spent too many hours in court watching juries consistently find that placing yourself into a situation where you are HIGHLY likely to get fucked is your fault.

Do not expect to get a jury that will convict a man who fucks a woman who has gotten drunk at a party, grabbed a few cocks on the dance floor; danced naked on the table; then come to the "women's shelter" and crys rape. It does NOT happen. I am not saying this is right. I am saying it is the way things ARE.




mistoferin -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/7/2005 8:56:18 AM)

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Read. It says WAS.


Well seeing as there is no known cure for alcholism, I would have to disagree. While one may be in recovery...and maybe even never drink again...it does not negate the fact that they are still an alcoholic. I know your own personal experience has led you to believe otherwise...and there is nothing that anyone can tell you that will change that. But there is a very large segment of the population that understands and believes that alcoholism is much more than a personal weakness. If you choose to not believe that...well that is your choice.

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NO means NO...bullshit.


I hate to be the one to pop your bubble....but NO really does mean NO.....and anyone who thinks otherwise and tries to push that is subject to the penalty of the law. Not exactly sure why this would be any different in your area of the country....but here we do prosecute...and win convictions. There was also a very famous case that I believe occurred in New Bedford, Massachusetts....and if memory serves me correctly that case resulted in convictions and changed the way that the issues is handled by the court systems in this country today.




lovingmaster45 -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/7/2005 9:06:12 AM)

Well seeing as there is no known cure for alcholism, I would have to disagree. While one may be in recovery...and maybe even never drink again...it does not negate the fact that they are still an alcoholic

How can you have a cure for a disease that is NOT a disease? Answer...you can't. The medical model does not work for human weaknesses.

Thsi is like the psychobabblers trying for years to find a "cure" for homosexuality. How did the pshchobabblers "cure" homosexuality? Simple. they voted to delete it from their list of "diseases".

How did they create the "disease" alcoholism? Again...they VOTED it in.

Your arguments will start to make sense when you stop trying to create a disease.





mistoferin -> RE: two hookers and an eight ball. (8/7/2005 10:41:12 AM)

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How can you have a cure for a disease that is NOT a disease?


Yes and I guess that all of the MEDICAL and GENETIC research that has been done to prove that it is in fact a disease has all been fabricated to sway the vote....just all a conspiracy. Right. And there are aliens from other planets serving in the US Senate and the House of Representatives, and Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are real too. Oh hell....it's your fantasy, have it any way you like.




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