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pahunkboy -> Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 12:59:05 PM)

Tired of foreign wars and what they consider right-wing courts, the Middlebury Institute wants liberal states like Vermont to be able to secede peacefully

http://www.vermontrepublic.org/news_events/secessionists_meeting_in_tennessee



pahunkboy -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:01:13 PM)

http://www.middleburyinstitute.org/registrynorthamericanseparatists.html  <-- states that thin about seceding



Lorgrom -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:01:51 PM)

Can Illinois just let Chicago leave the union? Since basicaly only the imediate Chicago area is Democratic. The rest of the state is Republic.



youngsubgeoff -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:03:35 PM)

hmm, interesting. but would the federal government allow it?



Celeste43 -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:11:29 PM)

20 years ago, New York City tried to secede from NY State. Interestingly enough, although upstaters love to complain about downstaters, it was refused. Mainly because NYC provides the lion share of money for the whole state.



kruelkare -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:17:09 PM)

Isn't Texas the only state who had the foresight to reserve the right to cede?



UtopianRanger -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:33:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Tired of foreign wars and what they consider right-wing courts, the Middlebury Institute wants liberal states like Vermont to be able to secede peacefully

http://www.vermontrepublic.org/news_events/secessionists_meeting_in_tennessee



There are few things in this world that would excite me more than a intrusive, centralized government collapse formulated from a successionist movement.  

The re-birth of the republic punctuated by that old concept of states rights and sovereign nation states.....  

Who wants to bet the minute it actually had a chance of succeeding....the CIA and FBI would be in there with one of their contrived ''orange people-power revolutions.''





- R




pinkme2 -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:42:01 PM)

A few problems that I can forsee if they really thought about this seriously.

1.  What about all the federal monies they receive?  They'd no longer have a funding source for many of their programs.

2.  How are they going to protect their borders?  Will they have a military?  Or will being pacifist vegans prevent terrorist attacks?

3.  Money.  Printed bills.  Federal regulations.  FBI.  Who will search for their kidnapped kids? 

I personally don't care.  But there are many little messy things to think about when considering such an action.



pahunkboy -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:45:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: youngsubgeoff

hmm, interesting. but would the federal government allow it?


No the feds would not allow it. All the more reason to consider it. I think it is a good idea.



pahunkboy -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:48:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkme2

A few problems that I can forsee if they really thought about this seriously.

1.  What about all the federal monies they receive?  They'd no longer have a funding source for many of their programs.

2.  How are they going to protect their borders?  Will they have a military?  Or will being pacifist vegans prevent terrorist attacks?

3.  Money.  Printed bills.  Federal regulations.  FBI.  Who will search for their kidnapped kids? 

I personally don't care.  But there are many little messy things to think about when considering such an action.



Proect us from whom? Canada? [a good neighbor] Mexico? [illegals here galore]  Looks like Washington IS the place to be protected FROM.

As far as monies- If every dollar going to the fed- one coming is- it should balance.

A succeded state can void NAFTA, GATT, WTO.  It could be refreshing.



pinkme2 -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 1:52:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkme2

A few problems that I can forsee if they really thought about this seriously.

1.  What about all the federal monies they receive?  They'd no longer have a funding source for many of their programs.

2.  How are they going to protect their borders?  Will they have a military?  Or will being pacifist vegans prevent terrorist attacks?

3.  Money.  Printed bills.  Federal regulations.  FBI.  Who will search for their kidnapped kids? 

I personally don't care.  But there are many little messy things to think about when considering such an action.



Proect us from whom? Canada? [a good neighbor] Mexico? [illegals here galore]  Looks like Washington IS the place to be protected FROM.

As far as monies- If every dollar going to the fed- one coming is- it should balance.

A succeded state can void NAFTA, GATT, WTO.  It could be refreshing.


I wasn't referring to a hostile CA or Mexico, but instead aggression from terrorists or others who would take your smallness to be weakness.

And is that the ratio for Vermont?  That the fed dollars out equals that coming in?  Because it's not automatically the case. 

Like I said, just some potential problems to consider.  But please, be my guest.



UtopianRanger -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 2:26:31 PM)

quote:

Or will being pacifist vegans prevent terrorist attacks?



I hear ya....Vermont really needs to come up with a plan to fight AL CIADA [8|]



- R



pahunkboy -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 2:30:53 PM)

Terrosism doesnt kill that many people. Relatively speaking. More people die from a variety of other conditions. I dont thing places like Vermont are mmuch of a target. At one time I was against this. But being the US has been taken over by corporations, for the good of corpoartions- the public or individual be damned; this country fails to represent the self.

Look at Katrina- the fed was NOT needed. In fact the fed blocked vital aid the people the globe over attempted to send.

Of the list of 25 states- I am surprised PA is not on the list.

If we are great due to our people- then it doesnt need the quagmiree weighing us down. Throw the dead weight off this sinking ship.

Terrorism?  HA! The chance of being injured in the bathtub or slipping on the walk are greater.



pahunkboy -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 2:32:30 PM)

I seen this on CNN last night. I was annoyed the anchor slammed the 2 guests. We must be united. united for what? bigger CEO pay?



pinkme2 -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 2:50:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

quote:

Or will being pacifist vegans prevent terrorist attacks?



I hear ya....Vermont really needs to come up with a plan to fight AL CIADA [8|]



- R



Actually, they could very easily use the US as a layer of protection with the thought that we wouldn't allow a foothold on this side of continent by hostile forces. 



seeksfemslave -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 3:38:47 PM)

Speaking as an outsider and assuming this is not a spoof then I think that  the coming together of hard line right wing  and soft line left wing  indicates something is going badly wrong in the US.



philosophy -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 3:42:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkme2


I wasn't referring to a hostile CA or Mexico, but instead aggression from terrorists or others who would take your smallness to be weakness.



.....does Luxembourg or San Marino have much in the way of a terrorism problem? i'm not sure geographical tinyness actually encourages terrorism.



pahunkboy -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 3:52:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Speaking as an outsider and assuming this is not a spoof then I think that  the coming together of hard line right wing  and soft line left wing  indicates something is going badly wrong in the US.


It is not a spoof. The good times are not shared. Folks are living on credit, while the elite outsource jobs- import leaded toys and contaminated food.  There is alot of anger- more then I remember. The question is- will it be channeled into anything constructive?

The question must be seriously analized and considerred.

The premise that the states can not be great, divided is incorrect. It would better serve the human talent- to be free- then to be on lockdown in a perpetual fear machine.

Simply put- the goverment doesnt serve the people. It shields corporate profit. Nothing more.

All men are created equal- except when up against a corporation.  A corporation can in fact be de-chartered; when was the last time this action was taken?

To answere your question; in my lifetime there has never been this much anger in the US.



farglebargle -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 4:20:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkme2

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkme2

A few problems that I can forsee if they really thought about this seriously.

1. What about all the federal monies they receive? They'd no longer have a funding source for many of their programs.

2. How are they going to protect their borders? Will they have a military? Or will being pacifist vegans prevent terrorist attacks?

3. Money. Printed bills. Federal regulations. FBI. Who will search for their kidnapped kids?

I personally don't care. But there are many little messy things to think about when considering such an action.



Proect us from whom? Canada? [a good neighbor] Mexico? [illegals here galore] Looks like Washington IS the place to be protected FROM.

As far as monies- If every dollar going to the fed- one coming is- it should balance.

A succeded state can void NAFTA, GATT, WTO. It could be refreshing.


I wasn't referring to a hostile CA or Mexico, but instead aggression from terrorists or others who would take your smallness to be weakness.


Vermont has NO STATE FIREARM REGULATIONS prohibiting concealed carry, AND AMONG THE LOWEST RATES OF CRIME IN THE NATIONS.

I'm *sure* the people of the Great State of Vermont are *NOT* worried about their ability to protect and defend their State.



And is that the ratio for Vermont? That the fed dollars out equals that coming in? Because it's not automatically the case.

Like I said, just some potential problems to consider. But please, be my guest.



Once VT starts trading in those valuable Canadian Dollars, their Marijuana exports will more than cover any Federal subsidies.




CollegeConundrum -> RE: Vermont to Succede ? (10/25/2007 4:48:29 PM)

Good.

Who needs fucking syrup anyway?



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