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Thortok2000 -> How's my profile? (10/26/2007 8:17:46 AM)

I just updated my profile today.  I'm not sure if the changes go live instantly, but assuming they do, could I get a review, feedback, and/or suggestions?  Thanks in advance!




camille65 -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 8:22:56 AM)

I found it appealing. However I have the feeling that you are going to be hearing a lot on assuming that a submissive needs to be fixed [;)].
Some will think that you see submissives as helpless creatures in need of micro management but I didn't think it came across like that. However it is something I like, micro management (NO that doesn't mean I need to be told when to breathe).

Over all it is pretty well written and explains what you are seeking in a clear manner.

So from me? Two thumbs up.




pseudopsychotic -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 8:36:35 AM)

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Some will think that you see submissives as helpless creatures in need of micro management but I didn't think it came across like that.


I could see where that could come off, but its more like, he's offering to be a mentor..A yoda of a sorts.
Which is very nice.

Very well done.




chiaThePet -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 8:37:34 AM)

Your profile and account have been deleted in lew of blantant self promotion.

(kidding)

chia* (the pet)




RosesHaveThorns -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 8:52:19 AM)

If it's not always sexual, how come you say it's okay for lesbians to apply, but not males?




Thortok2000 -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 9:03:22 AM)

I don't like males, even non-sexually.  In general, I can't open up or relate to them, and the idea of dominating them, even in a helpful way, kind of sickens me.

I wouldn't mind giving occasional advice to guys, but I wouldn't want to form a friendship/relationship revolving around my constantly giving advice to a guy.  Guys basically annoy me 99% of the time, even when I have limited contact with them.  I almost always prefer the company of a female to that of a guy.

Probably a personality flaw, but at least I'm open and honest about it.  I can get along with guys fine in a public setting, for the most part, but again, I wouldn't want to form a personal relationship such as this one with one.

Does that answer your question?

Oh, and thanks again for the other comments.  I have a bad habit of coming off as arrogant or condescending, not to mention formal and wordy, and I really wanted to make sure that didn't happen this time.  Thanks again!




colouredin -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 10:56:46 AM)

I think the way that you have been very very specific about what you want is good, but it is very long! It wouldnt appeal to me personally but i can see how it would to many and simply the amount of time that has gone into writing it shows a sense of commitment. 




Focus50 -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 8:19:28 PM)

Crikey; lucky for you most females will take the time to read a profile!  I know because mine is quite longish but yours is the "Never Ending Story" in comparison! 
 
So a few thoughts, even though I couldn't be bothered reading past the first few paragraphs....
 
First, it's TOO long!  The very length of it tells different things to different people; most of them not positive.  Most like a bit of mystery in the opposite gender so save some for those personal emails.
 
Singular words like 'hetero' or 'straight', for example, say the same as your 2 or 3 lines explaining you're not interested in males.  Telling the World how you don't relate to males at all does not emphasise being hetero; it suggests "issues"....
 
Your definitions are not necessarily the same as the next persons, so save them for personal correspondence rather than cluttering your profile with such tedious detail.
 
And finally, back to the length of it....  Lots of subs like to "browse" profiles; yours will draw plenty of "Yikes" impressions with many not bothering to get into the detail.  Kinda eliminates the ones who may surprise you without ever saying a simple 'hi'....
 
Focus. 




Shawn1066 -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 9:00:33 PM)

Way too long...but kind of interesting.  I'm as long-winded as the next guy, but sometimes brievity is a lot better than an intimidating wall o' text.  A lot of that would probably be better served after the initial conversation.

Just my $0.02




grlneedstolearn -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 9:40:45 PM)

Be nice Chia. i thought it was well written, though lengthy




peppermint -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 10:03:52 PM)

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How's my profile?


Boring in the extreme. 

Do you watch a lot of late night television?  It sounded like it was written to be in infomercial.  I was only able to read half of it the first time.  I was finally about to finish reading your profile when i read it to someone.   My friend agreed that it had a strong infomercial quality. 

Also...for someone who is so picky about grammar I would expect you use the preferred grammatical choices rather that the just acceptable.  In the first sentence of your profile "who" is the preferred grammatcial choice over "that."




RosesHaveThorns -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 10:45:11 PM)

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I'm looking for submissive females that I can train in a Dom/sub fashion into living happier I'm looking for straight or bisexual submissive females. (If you're willing to accept a male Master, you could even be lesbian, that's fine with me; not all the submissives I take on include sexual acts.)
  Does anyone else see ALLOWING lesbians to contact them, a male a wee bit conceited? I certainly do. And, I am pretty sure that lesbians understand that if they want a straight male’s attention, they generally don’t find problems getting it
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You need to be able to submit to me, so my age or less would generally be preferred, although slightly older is acceptable. (My birth year is 1982.)
  Why can’t older women submit to you? Are you incapable of dominating anyone older then you? Screams insecurity, and that is not a good trait in a dom. Now, if you perfered younger women, that’s different.

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The relationship would begin online and grow from there as we get to know each other. First online, then on the phone, then a couple meetings, and only then would we worry about living arrangements, perhaps simply moving to live near each other instead of actually living together, but of course that is an option too, should we get along that well. "Safe, sane and consensual" is the rule that governs all. This applies to both submissives and 'pleasure slaves'.
  …Of course? I’d toss this out. Let relationships grow along an indidvual path. Don’t set out goals or anything. Also, this is really long, so consider shortening this paragraph to just a sentence about how you would like to progress to a real time relationship.


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Another note: 'pleasure slaves', believe it or not, are not about sex. A pleasure slave, to me, is more someone who makes me smile, someone I can flirt with, who flirts with me, someone I can date, hang out with, and be with, someone who is intellectually stimulating, and is fascinated by me. Keep in mind that all aspects of this relationship will be negotiated and agreed upon before I start demanding anything of you, and that includes any possibility for intimacy. And the 'contract' can be renegotiated at any time, as well.
Keep this paragraph.
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In short, I think of a 'pleasure slave' as a submissive for love and intimacy, not a slave for sex and bondage. Nymphomaniacs, be forewarned: I am not intimate with anyone I don't genuinely care for on a deep, emotional level.
  …How many people actually encounter nymphomaniacs on the web who are not guys pretending to be girls? Again, sounding conceited.   '
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A) I will allow you to quit at any time you choose. This will always be a safe, sane, and consensual relationship, at all times.
   You don’t allow this, the slave/submissive has this right. Get rid of this, this is meaningless.
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To Apply:
  To apply? Are you a Jenny Craig center or a person?  
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2) Send me a message.
-Present yourself intelligently, showing off your ability to type correctly, and giving some information about yourself and why you want to be my submissive. The more information, the better. Simply saying 'check out my profile' will not be enough.
-Display your wit and charm. If you don't have wit and charm, you can still be my submissive, but you will be a much better one if you have wit and charm, especially if you seek to be a 'pleasure slave'. I can't really train wit and charm into you, it's best to have it to begin with…etc.
  …Is it just me, or is this sounding a bit arrogant and longwinded? I’m starting to feel like these subs are jumping through hoops to prove themselves to you, but you don’t feel like you need to do the same. It could also be condensed, I think. You could mention a contract after the initial greeting, or put it into a journal to use the profile to talk more about yourself.
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Disqualifiers:

There are certain things that will automatically end (or prevent) our relationship, since I'm just not willing to put up with it, so if you are any of the following, please remove them from your personality as best you are able, or simply don't try to be my submissive. I am pretty picky, and there are plenty of other Dominants on this site (they're just not quite like me).
Again, tipping off Arrogant Sensors. You sound like a driver's license with the formality, and it's a bit contradictory given your anti-formal stance.  
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For some of these disqualifiers, as long as you're willing to work at removing them, you don't have to remove them instantly to begin talking to me. However, if you stop working towards removing them, you'll become disqualified.

- Not female. I only take female submissives (and obviously only female pleasure slaves). If you're a guy, you may as well stop reading. I don't talk to guys. I don't even have many male friends.
  So if a guy was working on becoming female, would that work out for you?(Couldn't resist)  
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- No Instant Messenger. I prefer MSN Messenger, but if you absolutely can't use that one, I may let you use another. The messaging system on this site is fine for meeting each other, but after that, we'll need a faster form of communication.
  You are talking of let pretty early. This is a warning sign to some, but not others, but it can and will piss people off.
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- Slow responder. Hopefully you won't be overly distracted by other things when we are together. Online, a quickly typed response. On the phone or in real life, few unnecessary distractions.

I think that’s just common sense. Try to eliminate things like this to make the profile more concise. It is getting really wordy, and needs some work to be cut down.
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- No profanity, drinking, smoking, or drugs. Ever. (Social drinking is allowed on a case-by-case exception.) I do none of these myself and I expect the same from you. Again, if you make an effort to quit these habits (beginning by not doing so in my presence), it's acceptable, as long as your effort to quit is constantly and vigilantly maintained.
  The allowing social drinking so early is again, a bit problematic for me. Very arrogant and controlling right off the bat.
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- Not intelligent enough, or creative enough. I don't want someone who is confused all the time, or can't think of anything to do or say. If you can read and understand everything I say, and be able to hold up your end of the conversation, you're probably fine. If you bore me too much I can't do my job. Optimally, we should interest each other. Otherwise, it'd probably be better if you sought a different Dominant.
- Too formal. I want you to relax and be natural, friendly, flirty, quirky, your normal self. Don't brood so hard over what to do next or how to do it properly that you forget a rule you normally have no problem with. We should be able to maintain a casual relationship most of the time, with what I consider as the bare minimum of submissiveness. There are, however, times when you are expected to be formal and pure submissive, especially when it comes to your goals; they just typically aren't the majority.
  Just write that you want compatibility and be done with it.
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Already in a relationship with a male. Sorry, but I won't accept this. If you have a boyfriend or some male significant other, I'll simply be unable to open up to you much (even if you're just a submissive and not a pleasure slave, even if you're just a friend). Female significant others are not as big a problem, however, at least on my end. Please do not lie and say you don't have one if you really do, that never works out in the long run. Ever. Trust me.
  You never mentioned having only one slave…Are you able to have multiple ones? Either way, the avoidance of males seems to be a big insecurity thing, and a big turn off.




akisha -> RE: How's my profile? (10/26/2007 10:49:48 PM)

On the positive side. you seem to know what you want, but to be honest my eyes started to cross after about the middle of the third paragraph and I lost total interest in wanting to read further after you started lecturing about what the difference was between subs and slaves.

Good luck in your search tho *S*




HarryVanWinkle -> RE: How's my profile? (10/27/2007 12:21:57 AM)

The only problems I have with your profile are the apparent homophobia, the excessive length and exclusive use of the word, "females" rather than the occasional "women."  Makes it sound like you're looking for a dog to breed.




laurell3 -> RE: How's my profile? (10/27/2007 1:07:24 AM)

I didn't get past the please still contact me even though I may not have visited the site for awhile thing....that to me is kind of a red flag. 




hisannabelle -> RE: How's my profile? (10/27/2007 2:06:36 AM)

greetings thortok,

as someone else mentioned, the goal of "being trained to lead a happier life" doesn't sit well with me personally. my life is already plenty happy - if i seek ownership, it is to share that happiness. i'm not saying that training doesn't happen, or that i haven't grown and learned new and different things about myself - it just comes across as though you view submission as filling some massive void of unfulfillment, or something. it's just a gut feeling,

your age is already in your profile, so listing your birth year is somewhat unnecessary - not a criticism, just a note. you might wish to take that out.

i personally am not attracted by the type of relationship you desire; i do not fit neatly into your categories of submissive or pleasure slave (my slavery encompasses many things and for the most part i don't need him to help me fix my bad habits, or whatever - he expects me to do that myself, although he supports me in it). that's just personal preference, though. i think that you set out fairly well in that paragraph what kind of relationship you are seeking; i just thought i'd mention that it personally would make me move on if i were looking.

the whole "true submissive" paragraph just rubs me the wrong way as well. i think the profile would come across well without it, personally...it's somewhat patronizing, imho. the following paragraphs were fine, though :)

i think the "my end of the contract" section could be removed and simply presented once someone has contacted you about being in a relationship. putting it in the profile itself comes on a bit strong, and you've already communicated very clearly what you are looking for; "my end of the contract" could be easily used to flesh out the terms of the relationship through email rather than being in the profile. it just seems a bit superfluous for one's first glance at you.

in the disqualifiers section - i agree with the earlier post on "not too formal" and "not intelligent or creative enough" being fairly superfluous. at this point you are going from weeding people out because they don't fit what you want to weeding people out because you are literally dictating natural behavior and natural compatibility, which is just something that comes across as overly discursive and pointless when put into words. distilling it down to "our personalities need to match," or something like that, would come across more clearly. it's just gone from overly thorough to way out in left field. in general, your overly dictatorial attitude (at least, overly dictatorial for someone who's just first looking at your profile and is not in a relationship or under consideration for a relationship by you) is going to weed out a lot of female submissives. i do not know if this is common for others, but i generally am approached; i don't do the approaching, unless there's something that really impresses/interests me. as such, i have more of a pick of things than those on the other side of the coin do. and as such, while it's good that you know what you want and you may wish to keep your wording and specifications that way, you are seriously narrowing your field because there are a lot of women who feel they also have a right to negotiate their relationship and compromise, rather than have everything dictated and demanded. there's nothing wrong with it, but it is more likely to lose you possible applicants than gain them, so if that means anything to you, you might wish to keep it in mind. to be honest, this type of hoop-jumping scenario is something i would expect more to see in the profile of a female domme who gets 100 messages a day.

after i've read your profile entirely...i don't really feel that i have a clear idea of who you are or what you are seeking. i know that you want a goal oriented relationship focused specifically on training a submissive, but is that all you want? are you seeking a romantic relationship as well? you expect her to be monogamous (unless she's with another female), but would you be willing to practice monogamy? how involved do you wish to get emotionally? could this evolve into a monogamous, or primary relationship with all the trappings that entails? if i were seeking, feeling that i don't know the answers to some of those questions (as i think most submissives seeking real life long term relationships tend to be more in the romantic relationship, intimacy, etc. category) would cause me to move along. personally, your primary desire of seeking such a goal-oriented relationship does not sit well with me, but that's just because i'm one of those slaves who prefers to submit to the person who is also my primary partner, involved with emotionally, someone i could see marrying or at least spending the rest of my life with, etc. that may just be a difference in what we seek, so perhaps shouldn't influence my critique of your profile, but it does color how i read your profile (and how other women will as well), so i thought i'd mention it.

in general, i think it's pretty well-written. however, since you take application so seriously (meaning that at least if i were applying i would wait until i was pretty sure i was interested in you and the idea of submitting to you before pming you), and just in general because this kind of information is nice to see on profiles, i'd like to know more about who YOU are as a person. you posted some abstract things about your qualities, but what do you enjoy doing? how do you spend your time? what activities are really important to you in life? i think that would help anyone in their decision to apply, and also simply be a nice addition to your profile as a whole, even for those who are just reading it because they like your forum posts, or something like that.

hope this helps - sorry for the longwindedness.

respectfully,
annabelle.




Thortok2000 -> RE: How's my profile? (10/27/2007 11:54:25 AM)

Great responses people, thanks a lot.  I'm gonna make a major rewrite based on some of the feedback here.

Would anyone mind if I asked for a second review when I'm done?

To answer some of the questions - Yes, I am kind of homophobic.  I feel that guys have a right to do whatever they want, including being with other guys, but the idea of a guy coming on to me freaks me out.  I don't even mind seeing guys hold hands in public, or more.  It's just when I get personally involved or 'hit on' that I'm squeamish about.  (Not that that's ever happened, but fears aren't entirely rational.)  Everyone has their own turn ons and turn offs, and guys turn me off.

As for the 'birth year' thing, I've noticed this site doesn't automatically update based on birth year.  And as for the 'even if I haven't been online', I could take that out, but I was planning on just setting up the profile and only visiting occasionally, perhaps once a month or so, to make sure the profile still reflects who I am.  I could visit more often, but unless there's a need to edit the profile, or respond to someone contacting me, I wouldn't have anything to do on my visits.

Also, my picture has been uploaded, and I don't particularly care for it, especially with the thumb in the lower left, but it's the best one I currently have.  Should I try to get another picture taken of me instead?  I can't really think of a way of asking that without sounding narcissistic.  -.-




dcnovice -> RE: How's my profile? (10/27/2007 12:01:05 PM)

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Also, my picture has been uploaded, and I don't particularly care for it, especially with the thumb in the lower left, but it's the best one I currently have.  Should I try to get another picture taken of me instead?


Not a bad idea. You may have already updated it, though, since I didn't see a thumb.

The main thing that struck me about your pic, particularly at avatar size, is that it's hard to tell at first if you're male or female. Sorry to be blunt; I don't know how to put that more diplomatically!




OsideGirl -> RE: How's my profile? (10/27/2007 12:36:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: camille65

(NO that doesn't mean I need to be told when to breathe).
That would suck if he got distracted. [:D]




secretagentgirl -> RE: How's my profile? (10/27/2007 6:54:46 PM)

Though well written (good spelling, grammar, organization, and use of headings and bold font) it seemed better suited for a Power Point presentation.
I could not get the motivation to read it all, or even 1/3 of it but then again it is not the type of submission I am personally looking for.  The right girl might be enthralled to the end and if so, perfect for you.
From skimming I got the sense that it would require a lot of "work" on my part of get to know you or get past your screening process.  Again, maybe the right girl will like that, but I want this process to be fun, not a burden.
I personally do not like profiles that say looking for "women."  I mean how many are you looking for?  Most will say "I am looking for a woman..."  It turns me off to think that a guy wants a whole stable of subs.  But again, if that's what you want, great to be open about it.
And finally, I agree that a new picture could do wonders.  You look sort of feminine/sensitive/brooding in that one.  Not really the look of a Dom is what I'm saying.

But nice job in really thinking about what you want and putting it out there.  And there is plenty for someone to respond to.





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