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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 2:53:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Has anyone seen this video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

Any thoughts on it's content?

No and no.

My knowledge of the evidence, or lack of, is zero, but I do think that there is no motive.

If the argument goes that such an event was needed in order to rally the public behind a nationalist cause......well, history suggests that no such attack was needed, and that's not peculiar to the US, a decent spin machine can quite easily pull the wool over the public's eyes with the tools they have at their disposal.

The US government made the Sandinistas look like the Mongol hordes, when in fact all of the available information suggests they were a rag-tag, feeble outfit. They simply used the well-worn, trusted method of setting up a department to control public perception by appealing to the base instincts of pride and fear.

'Not sure about the evidence, but there is no motive.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 10:40:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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I doubt seriously that anyone could have created that many false tapes that also included crowd reaction and reporter comments, etc.

There are a lot of people that claim to have witnessed the airplanes involved in the Pentagon incident. They all lied. You trust those reporters? They are suspect. Crowd reaction? What crowd? Why díd not any of those crowd step forward and claim his Ah or shriek in these movies? A crowd of actors it was. They are all suspect. There are no credible eye-witnesses; I have not been able to find any. You seriously doubt? Go to the cinema and look at the crowds in the movies - much larger crowds these often are too. You think those crowds in the movies are not actors?

No, I do not think they were actors. Crowds in movies are almost never actors, they are extras. Extras rarely have acting experience and are usually given only moderate direction for a specific scene. I have experience with this directly as I was an extra in the movie "Jaws." Based on that I cannot believe that any crowd scenes of that nature could have been filmed in advance in Manhattan without it being public knowledge. Virtually everything filmed in NYC will draw crowds of onlookers. Why is it that no such onlooker has come forward to say, "I watched them film that crowd scene long before 9/11."? On the other hand there have been hundreds of witnesses who have come forth to say that watched the towers being hit by airliners.

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No one will ever know exactly what the fire conditions were at the hottest parts of the fire

We have discussed those temperatures before in this forum. If I recall correctly, I finally thought 230 degrees Celcius most likely for the slight of hand distraction fires. The thermate fires that were ignited moments before the collapse of course were much hotter.

On what scientific data have you based your heat estimate? Did you alone have the foresight to mount thermal probes throughout the towers? Are you aware that when jet fuel burns in a turbine or pure jet engine it reaches temperatures in excess of 3000 degrees Fahrenheit? In fact it burns so hot that if the flame in the burner cans was allowed to touch any part of the engine structure it would instantly cut through like a blow torch and destroy the engine. This is prevented by carefully controlled airflow that acts as a barrier between the flame and the engine itself. This same airflow also serves to continuously cool the structure of the engine. It would have been very easy for the jet fuel alone to have become hot enough to soften the floor beams of the towers, especially if you factor in airflow through the area allowed by the holes in the structure created by the impact.

As for the use of Thermite in a planned demolition - there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it was used. Thermite burns incredibly hot, and the flame from it is white hot, not yellow or red. No video I have seen from reputable sources or from conspiracy advocates has shown any such white hot flame. The so-called multiple explosions throughout the lower floors are simply windows blowing out from overpressure as the upper floors compressed down on a structure that in essence was a layered air shaft.

A note about the WTC design. Before they fell I often ate at the Windows On The World restaurant atop the South Tower, and also often visited the Observation Deck atop the North Tower. One of the things I always noticed any time I was in either location was that the flooring "gave" as you walked about on it. It had a kind of bounce to it that you don't notice in most structures. At the time I had no knowledge of how the towers were put together so I assumed this was a designed in feature to allow for the flexing the buildings would have to go through as they swayed in the wind. (High winds could cause a normal sway at the top of the buildings of 16 feet or so depending on wind velocity and gustiness.) That give in the floor structures tells me that the floor beams were not as rigid as in most smaller buildings. It's also key to why the towers came down. Each floor beam was attached to the outer vertical beam structure with only 2 vertically oriented 5/8 inch bolts. That means that during the fires the floor beams only had to soften enough to sag to the point where the ends pulled just over a half inch in order to sheer those bolts. With the insulation gone from impact it is entirely believable that this could happen. Any structural engineer today would tell you in hindsight that this was a critical flaw in the building design. It was considered safe at the time of construction because it was believed that the sprayed on insulation would protect the beams long enough for any fire to either be put out or to burn itself out. This is also an area of error in the video the OP introduced. It talks of how no other steel frame building has ever come down from fire before. That is true, but all those other buildings were of a different design and it's not a valid comparison.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 11:17:05 AM

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On the other hand there have been hundreds of witnesses who have come forth to say that watched the towers being hit by airliners.

That is great. Who were those hundreds of witnesses, please? If you can supply some names, perchance some researcher may be found that has compiled a list of all of them, as happened with the Pentagon witnesses - none of whom are credible.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 11:28:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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On the other hand there have been hundreds of witnesses who have come forth to say that watched the towers being hit by airliners.

That is great. Who were those hundreds of witnesses, please? If you can supply some names, perchance some researcher may be found that has compiled a list of all of them, as happened with the Pentagon witnesses - none of whom are credible.

Ahhh, I see, you have run background checks on all of them personally and that is why you can say this with full assuredness.

Frankly any such claim casts doubts on your own credibility. You become the one claiming that hundreds of others are liars and cheats. Think about how that really looks.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 11:30:38 AM

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Has anyone seen this video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501

Any thoughts on it's content?

No and no.

My knowledge of the evidence, or lack of, is zero, but I do think that there is no motive.

If the argument goes that such an event was needed in order to rally the public behind a nationalist cause......well, history suggests that no such attack was needed, and that's not peculiar to the US, a decent spin machine can quite easily pull the wool over the public's eyes with the tools they have at their disposal.

The US government made the Sandinistas look like the Mongol hordes, when in fact all of the available information suggests they were a rag-tag, feeble outfit. They simply used the well-worn, trusted method of setting up a department to control public perception by appealing to the base instincts of pride and fear.

'Not sure about the evidence, but there is no motive.

NG, true.
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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 11:40:46 AM

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I notice that you talk about hundreds of eye-witnesses that with their very own eyes saw one or both of those planes fly into the WTC-towers, but that you do not name them when I take you seriously and ask for additional information. It is always like that here on CM: people claim to have known someone that was a witness, but when I ask for names suddenly there is no information whatsoever to be had.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 11:56:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I notice that you talk about hundreds of eye-witnesses that with their very own eyes saw one or both of those planes fly into the WTC-towers, but that you do not name them when I take you seriously and ask for additional information. It is always like that here on CM: people claim to have known someone that was a witness, but when I ask for names suddenly there is no information whatsoever to be had.

...i know that in 1979 Swindon Town played Arsenal at home in front of thousands of spectators. However, i couldn't name any of them. Does this mean that i am the vicitim of the great league cup cover up?

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 6:50:16 PM

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(this is a quick reply to the OP, but Rule may be interested)

For a detailed engineering analysis of the buildings and how they failed, see:
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch2.pdf

If you have taken any statics or dynamics classes, you'll get a lot out of the analysis. If not, there's still a lot of info for the laymen.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 7:12:22 PM

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these buildings had JET LINERS smash into them

And you know this how? Are you one of those elusive eye-witnesses that verily saw those two airplanes crash into those buildings with your very own eyes? Or did you see some phony computer generated movie production?

elusive? are you RETARDED?! there are videos of them! there are THOUSANDS of witnesses, consisting of those there, of the airline controlers who saw them hijacked, and of the people IN the planes themselves who called their loved ones while they were being hijacked. to call those "elusive" is like calling childbirth a random occurance that just happens to end up in a baby suddenly popping out of you while sitting on the fucking toilet. im sorry, but theres ignorant, and theres MORONIC.

edit: and just so you know, my MOTHER was in the city that day, saw the whole thing and then was there for the next few days because shes a nurse in the ER at belview hospital. i call that a fairly credible witness, considering she was treating the injured after it happened both at the hospital and at ground zero, yeah?

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 7:29:02 PM

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And you know this how? Are you one of those elusive eye-witnesses that verily saw those two airplanes crash into those buildings with your very own eyes? Or did you see some phony computer generated movie production?

You have got to be kidding...please tell me you are joking here

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 7:34:41 PM

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And you know this how? Are you one of those elusive eye-witnesses that verily saw those two airplanes crash into those buildings with your very own eyes? Or did you see some phony computer generated movie production?

You have got to be kidding...please tell me you are joking here

Yeah, the CEOs of multi nationals will be laughing their cocks off; people wasting energy and time arguing over something that lacks any sort of credibility, while they help themselves to the silverware. 'Truth be told, they'll be peddling these claims....'simply throwing a few bones around to keep people busy.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/27/2007 10:48:00 PM

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elusive? are you RETARDED?! there are videos of them! there are THOUSANDS of witnesses, consisting of those there, of the airline controlers who saw them hijacked, and of the people IN the planes themselves who called their loved ones while they were being hijacked. to call those "elusive" is like calling childbirth a random occurance that just happens to end up in a baby suddenly popping out of you while sitting on the fucking toilet. im sorry, but theres ignorant, and theres MORONIC.

edit: and just so you know, my MOTHER was in the city that day, saw the whole thing and then was there for the next few days because shes a nurse in the ER at belview hospital. i call that a fairly credible witness, considering she was treating the injured after it happened both at the hospital and at ground zero, yeah?

Your mom was there and saw the whole thing huh? Is she on record giving a statement to either the FBI News or some other verifiable source?

Its not that I do not believe you but I have heard this line before from several official story spin artists that in the end were unverifiable, hence not much good.

On the other hand if you look at the last pic in the fema report you can see wtc 2 being blown out on the perimeter explosion exactly like the firement "are on record" as reporting.

Next did your mom tell you about how an aluminum airplane can fly through 2 steel walls that are 14 x 14 x 1/2 thick and concrete floors and traverse 200 feet and stick its nose out the other side and even the fiberglass nose is pristine?

Invincible 757 flies through wtc 2

Still: Invincible Planes Pristine Nose

Then if thats not a kick in the ass when we look at the side it came through there is no fucking hole!!!!`

Still : Wheres the hole??????

If there was a 757 like they said then why fake it?

Maybe you can help me figure that out :)

Oh and while you are having fun doing that take a look at this one... Here is the original footage of wtc 1 before they inserted an airplane. What the hell is that with the trail behind it?

A Thing hits wtc 1

I suppose since it is going through the air it could be called a plane.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/28/2007 1:34:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: JackM1
there are videos of them!

It has been proven by others that those have been forged.

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ORIGINAL: JackM1
there are THOUSANDS of witnesses, consisting of those there,

Eye-witnesses that with their very own eyes saw either of those two planes - one of which never took off and the other of which never got to New York - fly into one of the towers? Name them. I repeat: Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them.

I have investigated a few that are known to me and either I showed them to be not credible or I got nowhere for lack of any information about them.

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ORIGINAL: JackM1
of the airline controlers who saw them hijacked,

Those see blips on a radar screen identified by transponders. I can carry a transponder and an airline controller will think that I am an airplane if I also carry a suffiently large aluminium foil. In any case those guys are highly suspect.

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ORIGINAL: JackM1
and of the people IN the planes themselves who called their loved ones while they were being hijacked.

I am not interested in phony sob stories. One of those two planes never took off, the other never got to New York. The crew and some of the passengers I investigated and concluded to be highly suspect characters.

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ORIGINAL: JackM1
to call those "elusive"

Name them. I repeat: Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them. Do not give me sob stories. Give me facts. Give me names. Give me people that do not exist in a void, that for the lack of parents and grandparents and siblings appear never to have been born.

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my MOTHER was in the city that day, saw the whole thing

She was standing outside or looking through a window at the WTC towers and saw one or both of them planes fly into them with her very own eyes? Did she now? Then send me a CM-mail and tell me all about her and most especially her name. I repeat: Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them. Name them.

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and then was there for the next few days because shes a nurse in the ER at belview hospital. i call that a fairly credible witness, considering she was treating the injured after it happened both at the hospital and at ground zero, yeah?

How does that prove that airplanes flew into the towers? It does not. Please do not bore me with inconsequentials.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/28/2007 1:46:50 AM

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Thornhappy,

Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen that report before. Learned a few new details about the structures of the towers from it. Too bad they didn't publish a similar report on the Pentagon. I've never seen any detailed analysis of the structural failure there, but then considering it's the Pentagon there likely won't be anything released publicly until the Joint Cheifs decide to build a new headquarters.

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/28/2007 7:19:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

Thornhappy,

Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen that report before. Learned a few new details about the structures of the towers from it. Too bad they didn't publish a similar report on the Pentagon. I've never seen any detailed analysis of the structural failure there, but then considering it's the Pentagon there likely won't be anything released publicly until the Joint Cheifs decide to build a new headquarters.

Oh Dont stop there! Thats just the gnat on the tip of the iceburg of this party!!!!!

9/11 Commission Report
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

NIST 9/11 Analysis
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1Draft.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-1.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-2Draft.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-3Draft.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-4Draft.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-5Draft.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-6Draft.pdf
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/NISTNCSTAR1-7.pdf

ASCE
ASCE Report

quote:

W. Gene Corley, Ph.D, Senior Vice President of Construction Technologies Laboratory in Skokie, IL, served as principal investigator. Corley was also the principal investigator for FEMA's study of the 1995 Murrah Federal Office Building attack. The BPAT's investigation was funded by $600,000 from FEMA and $500,000 in ASCE in-kind contributions. 1 By december of 2001 $100,000 had been spent on the investigation.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/official/fema.html

(Of course we have known for some time that Murrah was blown from the inside out by military ordinance not mcveighs truck bomb.)

BUILDINGS
No Code Changes Recommended In World Trade Center Report (4/15/02)
By Nadine M. Post in Denver
Calling for more active involvement of the structural engineer in fire protection design
and "extensive" additional study of the performance of the World Trade Center on Sept.
11, an American Society of Civil Engineers' building performance study will not
recommend changes to building codes at this time. Having decided that the plane attacks
and subsequent fires doomed the twin towers to destruction, the engineering community
is shifting attention to clearing up mysteries swirling around the behavior of nearby
buildings damaged by the collapses, to extend lessons learned to general building
practice.
No Code Changes Recommended In World Trade Center Report

Bare steel in fire places and wood stoves "can heat quickly when exposed to a fire of even moderate intensity," but we don't often see fireplace gratings or wood stoves collapsing.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/docs/centurywood.jpg

Why dont your unprotected (thin iron) kettles collapse from structural failure on a stoiciometric gas stove fire?

Why doesnt the unprotected steel stoves that we heat our homes with collapse and melt?

And what changes did NIST suggest?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iccsafe.org%2Fcs%2Fcc%2Fctc%2FWTC%2FInterim_Report_No-3_3-15-07.pdf&ei=oIokR4ybKYauiAHUsYTsDQ&usg=AFQjCNGtMjDzhL8T_QNduRI-r0q819d-mw&sig2=LdfDFsdIBRb3PvxGasewAg

Building a Better Mirage
NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up
of the Crime of the Century

a critique of the
Final Report of the National Construction Safety Team
on the Collapses of the World Trade Center Towers
by the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation
of the World Trade Center Disaster

revision history 8/01/05: 911Research publishes Version 0.9 of this critique
8/21/05: 911Research publishes Version 0.98 of this critique
12/08/05: 911Research publishes Version 1.0 of this critique
NOTE: Pre-1.0 versions of this essay critiqued the Draft of NIST's Final Report.
Version 1 includes the new section NIST's Vacuous Response to its Critics.

NIST's investigation is often cited as proving the official theory that the plane crashes and fires caused the collapses. Yet the Report does not explain why or how the buildings totally collapsed, despite the lack of a single historical precedent for a steel-framed skyscraper totally collapsing for any reason other than controlled demolition. And, in contrast to the Report's voluminous detail about the plane crashes, fires, and loss of life, it makes no attempt to characterize or explain the demolition-like features of the collapses -- such as their explosiveness, pulverization, verticality and nearly free-fall rapidity -- except for two sentences in a half-page section added to the Final Report to address criticisms of the Draft.

NIST simply avoids these troublesome issues by placing them outside the scope of its investigation, claiming that "global collapse" was "inevitable" after the "initiation of collapse."

As noted below, the Report asserts that infernos raged in the Towers' cores with quantitative detail that could easily mislead the reader into thinking that there is evidence to support it. Elsewhere the Report admits that there is no visual evidence for fires close to or in the cores.

Fires deeper than a few meters inside the building could not be seen because of the smoke obscuration and the steep viewing angle of nearly all the photographs. (p 127/177)

Cinematic Emphasis While providing extreme detail in certain areas, the Report makes key assertions without any detail or supporting evidence, often couched in language seemingly calculated for emotive effect. For example, the Report suggests that there was something very unusual about the construction of the Towers' trussed floor diaphragms.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/

Leading Scientists Accuse Bush of Politicizing Science Tuesday, February 24th, 2004
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/24/1554238

A group of scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, last week signed a petition condemning the White House for deliberately and systematically distorting scientific fact in the service of policy goals on the environment, health, biomedical research and nuclear weaponry at home and abroad. [includes transcript]

Last week, a group of scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, signed a petition condemning the White House for deliberately and systematically distorting scientific fact in the service of policy goals on the environment, health, biomedical research and nuclear weaponry at home and abroad.
http://www.democracynow.org/print.pl?sid=04/02/24/1554238

USA PATRIOT act
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ056.107

Total Information Awareness
http://www.information-retrieval.info/docs/tia-exec-summ_20may2003.pdf

Military Comissions Act of 2006
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr.txt.pdf

Protect America Act (Warrantless Wiretapping Authorization)
http://www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills.text/110/s/s1927.pdf

Presidential Decision Directive 51 (Martial Law)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

Operation Echelon
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/process/rapport_echelon_en.pdf
http://www.nsa.gov/sigint/sigin00003.cfm
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12139.htm

NSA Wiretapping
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/nsa/dojnsa11906wp.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/m010506.pdf
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/homefront/etc/kleindoc.pdf
http://blog.wired.com/images/nsadocs1_f.jpg
http://blog.wired.com/images/nsadocs2_f.jpg
http://childedlaw.org/publiclaw/pdf/gonzalesanswers.pdf
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB178/surv15.pdf

New York Times - Feb 14th 1975 - 6 Floor Fire Struck World Trade Center
New York Times - Feb 14th 1975
6 Floor Fire Struck World Trade Center

Of course there were 100 stories of weight above it and it did not collapse from the intense heat from this massive fire

Lookie who built it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center
It was initiated in 1960 by a Lower Manhattan Association created and chaired by David Rockefeller, who had the original idea of building the Center, with strong backing from the then-New York governor, his brother Nelson Rockefeller.

When its all said and done there are 2 kinds of science in the world:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/PoliticalvsScientificmethod.jpg

Thats what ur a given up ur freedoms for!

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RE: An alternative thought on events - 10/28/2007 12:53:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

Thornhappy,

Thanks for that link, I hadn't seen that report before. Learned a few new details about the structures of the towers from it. Too bad they didn't publish a similar report on the Pentagon. I've never seen any detailed analysis of the structural failure there, but then considering it's the Pentagon there likely won't be anything released publicly until the Joint Cheifs decide to build a new headquarters.

True enough, they play pretty close to their chests on that building's details, with the exception of noting that the impact was in a structurally upgraded part of the Pentagon.

thornhappy

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