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RE: Gorean - 8/6/2005 8:15:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hissweetshiv
Step 4: read novels by John Norman

After doing all this you should understand Gor a little better. If you then have questions about specific aspects or protocol points, feel free to ask people who have offered you help.


Okay, I have a question: The Priest-Kings.... how do they relate to the Gorean lifestyle?


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RE: Gorean - 8/6/2005 8:51:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		onceburned you stock up on sugar cubes and incet spray, sugar cubes to aplese them, after all they are incentoid, and if that dont work, bring out the bug spray.

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RE: Gorean - 8/7/2005 6:10:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: onceburned

Okay, I have a question: The Priest-Kings.... how do they relate to the Gorean lifestyle?



I could tell you but then you would have to kill me.

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RE: Gorean - 8/7/2005 1:14:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL! Nella and kisshou, those were funny. I'll just remain in the dark... and load up on insecticide just in case.

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RE: Gorean - 8/7/2005 3:15:25 PM   
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RE: Gorean - 8/7/2005 3:57:27 PM   
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o... you mean - like Bush?


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RE: Gorean - 8/7/2005 7:06:05 PM   
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I have yet to see anyone explain what it is about this particular work of fiction that makes someone base their enti[re life on it. Sure, it is a beautiful concept, but what actually drives people to live their life as a work of pure fiction?


greetings,

If you have had the chance to read Leonidas's posts on Gor, you will have seen the side that you seem to be missing. But here is a concept...

Most of fiction liturature is based in some sort of reality. someone who saw something one day and decided to embelish a bit. well, the Gorean books are no different. the concept is actually taken from Roman Greco history. Slaves of the households in those times were members of the family, cherished, and prized for their beauty. It is very much the same in my master's house. Goreans who live *this* way... like myself and my master. live complete full, healthy lives. where children thrive, and the adults are happy. We are not sci-fi'ers or ... role players... in fact. we are the opposite. We have chosen a life where we accept our human nature.

i desired to be taken by a man, from a very early age... that was my "nature" a girl who belongs in a collar, why does she belong there? because she is a better person, better mother, better, daughter, better employee, better friend. my nature... slave.

Goreans believe in acceptance of self.

will you have those who's "self" is evil and twisted.... oh sure. ...we just dont invite them over for lunch...

In service,

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RE: Gorean - 8/8/2005 3:14:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littleone35
Let me give it a try. I was in the Gorean lifrstlye for 4 1/2 years. Gor is a fanasty world created by the author John Norman. I has no modorn convienced like electricly heat Torches ans fire provide that. i wouls say 98% of the women are slaves and 98% of the men are Masters. Ther are a few male slaves and a few Free women. It had old fashioned ideas of honor and amonge free men death can be used to settle a matter of honor. any thing else i can tell you let me know.

Littleone

Oh by the way for a good working concept of Gor start at the beginning or you will be lost first book is Tarnsman of Gor. After that can do whhatr i did read them in any order you can find them . E bay i s a good place to look since they are out of print.



greetings littleone...

I have to step in here. For someone who even was in online Gor that long, they should have a much firmer grasp of what Norman wrote. He said that for women, about 1 in 40 were enslaved. The number was lower for men. In the books, men don't make as good a slave as a women do so instead of being enslaved they usually end up being killed. It was also clearly stated that most men did not own slaves. Some did and some owned more than one. Honor is very important to Goreans. So is honesty and responsibility.

To answer a different question that was sort of answered. The Priest Kings in the books were giant Preying Mantises who had enough technology to turn their planet into a spaceship to travel between stars and who brought humans and some animals and plants to Gor. Their fight against the Kur, another space faring race is one of the main sub-plots of the books.

The books are not that hard to find on or even offline if you look. There are also eBooks of the first 16. Many of the online copies that can be downloaded are corrupted. Either typos and OCR mistakes or deliberate changes or omissions by the person to uploaded it. Also the sites that have them tend to get shut down on a regular basis. This little thing called theft and copyright infringement. It violates EVERY ISP's Terms of Service.

But, as has been stated. If you want to know what it is to be Gorean, read some of the posts here or talk to those who live as Goreans. You will wade through a lot of....discussion....and misinformation but as they say, the truth is out there.

Be well....

Malkinius

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RE: Gorean - 8/9/2005 12:51:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChainedAngel

I can understand why someone would keep asking this question. People explain the rituals, they explain where Gor comes from, they even explain if they see it as a valid lifestyle choice or just an occasional roleplay game.

I have yet to see anyone explain what it is about this particular work of fiction that makes someone base their entire life on it. Sure, it is a beautiful concept, but what actually drives people to live their life as a work of pure fiction?


I would say to escape reality.... and there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion.


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RE: Gorean - 8/9/2005 1:11:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: edana
greetings,
the concept is actually taken from Roman Greco history. Slaves of the households in those times were members of the family, cherished, and prized ...(snip)
edana


I am only making this statement to rectify some small thing, having no bearing on Gor or anything else, really...a distinction without a difference I suppose.

But Gor is taken more from Scandinavian History and not Roman Greco history. Which is more usually called Greco-Roman history.

Just another little irritation for the net.

Smiles.

Well Met,
Ron

Edited to add:
That's what I get for being an anal retentive prick......... insert the words Norse Mythology and concepts where Scandinavian History now resides.

As for the second sentence ..........

For the largest part of history, this was by and large how slavery operated everywhere. It took until America in the very late 1700's thru 1800's to turn it into a real art form. (imagine wry sarcasm here)


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RE: Gorean - 8/9/2005 1:27:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actualy mnottertail, no it is not. it is taken from many slave owning cultures of old, but mostly from the Roman Greco heritage. Some of the way the culture works is based on Norse tradition but not that mutch. In the Roman Greco writings there is alot of writing of the deeper meanings of being a slave, and this is what mutch of the philosophy was based on, in the Norse tradition of keeping tralls it was simply this, a slave is somone that is unfortunate enough to be in this situation, work or die, some was kept well taken care of, others mistrated. The old Roman Greco writers philosopied that there were pepole that would be happier as slaves, that some would in fact blossom in that state. Other cultures that one can see in the Gor books are for exmaple Arabian, it is not taken singely from one culture.

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RE: Gorean - 8/9/2005 1:39:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ja, God Dag. Hvor Dan Har de Til? Ikke Snukka Litte Gran Norsk....and skrivve none of it. LOL (perhaps you will teach me more) I am of the heritage. I know you are from Norge. I have studied the history of Scandinavia as well as Norse Mythology (Fagrskinna, Heimskringla, History of the Vikings, Havamal.......) and for the most part we (vik) were most of the time the sellers of these slaves from all other realms and usually bought middle eastern if available. Even Svein Forkbeard (Goreans recognize that Dan) or Gunga-Hrolf would not just let slaves be mistreated or manhandled (another use of wergeld). However; Nella I do agree that there is much taken from other customs, cultures and mythologies as well. This post is not meant to disagree, but to elucidate my position.

Admiringly,
Ron

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RE: Gorean - 8/9/2005 3:36:37 PM   
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Preying Mantises who had enough technology to turn their planet into a spaceship to travel between stars and who brought humans and some animals and plants to Gor.


hrm, completely, mostly offtopic.. Scifi made a real cheasy movie about killer preying mantises that was on a few months ago.. I have a whole new outlook on Gor.

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RE: Gorean - 8/9/2005 5:04:16 PM   
nella


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mnottertail, Hei jeg har det bra, hvordan ahr du det? sure i can teatch you a bit of Norweegian if you want to. i have to warn you though, i have a slight reading and writing disability, so my spelling is not always correct. i think we mostly agree whit one another, i see a grater influence of Roman in the Gor books and you se a grater influence of Scandinavian, i think there is a bit of both.

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RE: Gorean - 8/9/2005 5:25:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Even Svein Forkbeard (Goreans recognize that Dan) or Gunga-Hrolf would not just let slaves be mistreated or manhandled (another use of wergeld).


Actually, it was Svein Bluetooth, and Ivar Forkbeard.

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RE: Gorean - 8/10/2005 5:36:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I know, Svein Forkbeard a Danish born king was son of Harald Bluetooth and Ivar the Widefarer another son I believe. My point was that some modicum of scandinavian mythologies and concepts are intermixed with indo-european and greco-roman mythologies and concepts.



Sincerely,
Ron



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RE: Gorean - 8/10/2005 5:49:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		that i can agree to. the scandinavian influence is definitly there.

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RE: Gorean - 8/10/2005 7:45:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also I think kajira could be construed to be at least finn in nature if not scandinavian (even tho it is made up) as well as tarn, ehn, ahn, and tarsk to name a few....I doubt many grecians had furs for covering in that temperate clime. However I see names like Malkinius and Leoniodus and Miles of Argentum and so forth which I agree is Roman in nature.

Takk,
Ron

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RE: Gorean - 8/10/2005 8:03:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kjira do sound Finish to me when you mention it yes. But many contries have used animal furs for bedding and furniture.

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RE: Gorean - 8/10/2005 10:46:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Alrighty.... heres the break down on cultural theft, so to speak:

The major "city states" that over half the books were based on is greco-roman in nature.
The northern area of "Torvaldsland" is scandanavian/finnish... but more so based on the culture of the period that worshiped Thor.
The "red savages" were based on earlier Native American tribes.
The "tahari" was based, partly, on harem based cultures.
The "sames" were a mockery based on earth ideas of the sexes, taken to an extreme.
The "red hunters" were another "cold climate" culture but the ideas were taken from a wider base than some of the others.

And there are a few others but you get the idea. Lange took the ideas he wanted from various cultures to make his point and to make a "viable world" as a carrier in his books. The base ideas are greco-roman in nature, quite a bit based on Politics by Aristotle. The language he created came from over a dozen cultures. The same ones he took his other ideas from. There have been slave based cultures through most of human history. Economically it makes alot of sense, actually. He took what he liked from each of them.

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