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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/3/2005 8:26:00 AM   
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I hope no one gets offended but I take this question kind of seriously. I think it may be the Taurus or the librarian or the angry John Malchovich character from Dangerous Liaisons living inside me but here goes.

A slave's monetary worth is assessed yearly or semi yearly according to her length of service.
Her labor and salary equal her monthly product and when averaged produce her gross monthly worth.
Time and labor saved for the owner is factored in based on the owners hourly wage or estimated value for his/her time.

A slave's worldly assets are factored in. In relationships where the slave’s assets do not become the owners their value as leveraged capital can be factored.

"Worth" "cost" and value are related terms. The cost of operating a slave cannot be neglected. These variables are difficult to accurately measure and so should be factored at the annual or semi annual assessment. Costs in operating should be divided into essentials or non essentials. Purchasing the best makeup and lingerie is a non essential cost for instance.

Peace, contentment, security, health, happiness: These values are difficult to quantify but not impossible. They are contingent on the owners value system. For instance if a trip snowboarding in Mammoth causes me a heightened state of bliss for 3 days and costs X I know that that state of bliss can have a monetary value based on the average cost of a state of bliss. (If the same level of bliss can be achieved through other means the costs of those other means can be factored in to produce an average. Excluding of course activities which include slaves or submissives who are in actuality donating their costs). So we can measure the difference between some slaves value against those of others by factoring these together. This allows a girl who may or may not have any capital value through assets or labor to make up the value in bliss provided, low operating costs, and time saved.

Simple!

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/3/2005 8:59:58 AM   
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Hello There,
The price of this slave is not determined in dollars and cents, but rather in joy, kink and peace. How do you measure that?
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/3/2005 10:31:10 AM   
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$1,746,136 on humanforsale.com lol

Now seriously... that question would be best answered by my owner but yes, for a high enough price, I suppose I would be for sale. Atleast if I fucked up.

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/3/2005 11:02:08 AM   
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Ah ha! I found it. I am worth $1,992,332

http://humanforsale.com


Well hell, I'm only worth $1,239,542!!!


I am worth $1,874,648... But when I showed Sir he said it was way off and I was indeed priceless.

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/3/2005 11:21:57 AM   
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I think the answer are great, but I would say say a person is worth how the other person makes you feel.

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/4/2005 4:29:13 PM   
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Lam...dear..what is a quirt?

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/4/2005 5:54:36 PM   
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who is Lam ?

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/5/2005 3:52:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: plantlady64

Hello There,
The price of this slave is not determined in dollars and cents, but rather in joy, kink and peace. How do you measure that?
Sincerely,
sub suzanne



you measure it by what you would do to not lose it in the face of threats to it's existence

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/5/2005 5:02:02 AM   
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i cost 1 gizzilion dollars, plus tip. life time waranty and third party theft and cane damge for the first three years.

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/5/2005 6:31:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


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ORIGINAL: plantlady64

Hello There,
The price of this slave is not determined in dollars and cents, but rather in joy, kink and peace. How do you measure that?
Sincerely,
sub suzanne



you measure it by what you would do to not lose it in the face of threats to it's existence


Hello There,
I agree, but I still don't think a relationship of this depth of commitment, emotional joy, and peace carries a price with dollar signs attached to it.

I think if you can be sold just for money permanently away from your Master he would not have been the right choice to willingly give ownership to in the first place. For me my Ultimate Master (Which I Have) could never want me to leave just to line his pockets with cash. His words "You are like my arm. Why would I want to cut off my right arm for money that doesn't last anyway?"

My worth to my Master stands firm, and I am an asset regardless of our financial status. We get through things together money or not, and we are having fun doing it.

Money has nothing to do with joy, freedom, and peace that comes from within our spirits every time we touch. If you can't buy that kind of heat, passion, desire, and connection how could you sell it for money?

Sincerely,

sub suzanne

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/5/2005 6:48:41 AM   
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Nothing more.........nothing less.

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/5/2005 6:56:42 AM   
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quote:

Hi EmeraldSlave2, thanks for chiming in. And what would have stopped me from running away? My orders and my training and my nature, which all concerned very well understood. And there were indeed contracts of sale and bills of sale and deeds involved, though whether they would stand up in court is naturally a moot point. But they weren't meant to; my sales were de facto, not de jure. Of course a slave can always run away, or try to, or make everyone's life miserable, but that's not the kind of slave i was trained (and made) to be. i hope with all my heart never to be sold again, but as his property it's my owner's right to sell me, and if he sells me i will go and serve my new owner, whoever he or she might be. (My owner assures me this is now a purely theoretical discussion, and i trust his word.)


i agree, some are so dedicated to salvery that that dedication and training in itself keeps somone from running away. No laws bind them, but dedication do. Selling pepole againt their will is againt the law, so the contracts are no law binding, but it do not realy matter, not for healthy D/s at least.

Ofcourse i do not say i aprove it to sell or make somone unwilling a salve, that is a crime and a horrible thing to do.

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/5/2005 9:21:28 AM   
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I'm seeing this thread as a curious indicator of what I tend to see the majority of Ds relationships as- pretty much a standard vanilla romantic relationship that a bit of authority transfer on top?

I was honestly surprised when the whole thread turned into a lark over a website that purported to put a price on someone. While I agree the website itself is pretty ridiculous, to me the concept of a slave being sold is a very real and basic one.

How often do we hear the "I'll do anything the master requires" but yet it seems so caveated- as long as he still loves you, as long as it doesn't take him away from you?

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/6/2005 10:42:20 PM   
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I am Lam.

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ORIGINAL: domm4subf1970

who is Lam ?


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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/6/2005 10:50:04 PM   
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Of course they have a price man.

Lots and lots of ATTENTION. You still haven't figured that one out?

(And the proof is this-show me just ONE who will stick around if you refuse to shell out!)

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/8/2005 5:06:47 PM   
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how can one put a price on their heart and soul and love they pocess...you can't

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/8/2005 6:21:10 PM   
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how can one put a price on their heart and soul and love they pocess...you can't

No, but you certainly can put a price on a human and the services they provide.

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/10/2005 10:15:28 PM   
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And yet no one has mentioned any of the positive sides of being sold! So allow me. Caution, long story to follow. (Well, not very long for me.)

i spent most of my senior year in college begging and pleading with the man who became my first owner to collar me and make me his slave. He wanted to, he and his best friend had been training me for slavery for years, off and on, but he didn't think either one of us was ready, he told me we would have to wait until we were out of school. So frustrating! This didn't stop me from begging and whining and manipulating. Talk about topping from the bottom! (See, he was right, i really wasn't ready.) Finally, not long before graduation, he told me he was ready to collar me, but only if i sold myself to him, for money or something tangible, and i had to name my price, that he wanted me to realize that as his slave i would be his physical property, not just his lover and love slave and kinky submissive girlfriend, but also a material object exchanged for something material, that it would make a huge difference to both of us to know that i had been bought and sold irrevocably and could never be free again, at least not without having to deal with the obstacle of buying back my freedom. He said the exact dollar value was irrelevant, and it didn't matter whether the sale was "legal," people sell things all the time that aren't legal, it doesn't change the fact of their being sold, but whatever my price was, it had to be enough for both of us to take it very seriously, otherwise it might all turn out to be just another crazy college sex adventure, and we both knew we wanted it to be so much more than that. (i learned later that all this was originally the suggestion of his best friend, the man who became my second owner and now my owner for life, my master Michelangelo. And my God was he right.)

Of course this was partly a test to see how far i was willing to go, and how much value i would place on what i said i wanted to be. i finally came up with a price that i thought made me a very valuable little slave: $1000. (My family doesn't really have tons of money, his family does have tons of money, so i figured, Think BIG, girl!) i was very proud of asking for so much, made me feel very wicked. Ha. He laughed, he said i was selling myself way too cheap. i said So make me an offer, big spender! And he did. He said he would pay off all my college loans, all my family's loans to me for college, all my credit cards, all my bills, every penny i owed anyone. This was a LOT of money, we were going to an expensive school. He said he wanted to own me free and clear, so he could take me anywhere he wanted and do with me as he pleased without any debts tying me down and limiting his freedom. i was so stunned i literally couldn't speak, but that didn't last very long, and when i recovered my wits i sold myself to him on the spot. i made him sign the tablecloth at the restaurant as the bill of sale. And i soon realized this was actually a very clever plan on his part: It had exactly the psychological effect on me that he (or actually they) had hoped it would, plus by going to pay off all my loans and debts, the money was spent as soon as it changed hands, so i had no fall-back position, no cushion of a big chunk of cash in some secret bank account that i could use to buy my way out of this deal if it didn't work out. i was stuck, even though it was right where i wanted to be stuck. So of course we both had to make it work out. And we did.

Knowing i had really been sold and that i couldn't just refund the dough and walk away made me take becoming his slave VERY SERIOUSLY. i know it made me work my ass off to become a much better, stronger, purer, happier and freer slave, knowing that this was it, i was really committed, i'd SOLD myself into this fix, and it made my new owner happy to finally have the totally devoted 24/7 slave he knew i could be if all my other options were taken away. And it gave him the freedom he wanted. What he wanted to do was to travel around the world for a year before he started grad school, with me at his side as his faithful sex slave sidekick, and that's what we did. (It was incredible.) Being sold into slavery was so perfect for who we were, i had never before felt so completely owned and so completely free, it was the life i'd been longing for, and my owner was able to turn me into the slave he wanted, not my half-baked idea of what a slave might be, as eager as i was. And here's my dirty little secret: He didn't really have to spend all that money to get me, i'd have sold myself to him for the $1000, or even just a kiss. But he says that what he got for what he spent was so much more than i could ever have just given him, that i was actually a bargain. (And i should point out he made a profit on me when he sold me, too.)

So, does this only work if you have a rich kinky boyfriend? i don't think so. The really crucial thing was the realization that i had been physically sold, i had seen the money, it made it so much more real. And the $1000 would have done it, hell, there were moments i would have sold myself to him for twenty bucks, i was so eager to be his slave, but the way it happened paradoxically actually took away so much more of my freedom so quickly, it was like being blasted into slavery at warp speed. And does being sold make me something like a whore? Oh probably. But i don't have any problem with that, whore is one of my favorite words. But slave is my very favorite word, and this has been the short version (well, short for me) of how i became one...

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/11/2005 7:50:57 AM   
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Thanks ravenna for the story of your first sale and earlier post about subsequent sales. I'm glad I stumbled on this thread. I've had to think seriously recently about the responsibilities of owning a slave.

I think the specific dollar amount is immaterial. The sale/purchase of a slave requires a total commitment between two people -- the master and the slave. The transaction -- whether it be for $1, $1000, or a lot more -- has to represent that commitment.

If I purchased a slave for $1 (my first inclination) there is a very real possibility that I wasn't taking my commitment seriously -- as seriously as the slave was taking hers. If the purchase price was $1000 (or more) then I would have to get serious and think twice. I'd have to decide if this was something I really wanted to do.

The transaction serves other purposes, too. The transaction objectifies the slave.

Here are two related questions: How many of you incorporate money in your play (outside of a master/bought slave context)? Is it possible for an owned slave to be required to recompense a master -- either to recoup the purchase price or to pay for the master's time?

Woodsbunny

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RE: Does a slave have a price? - 8/11/2005 8:05:25 AM   
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I know that amoung the Gorean crowd,one of the most supreme insults one can deal to a slave is to refer to her as a "three copper girl".

Which translates out to about three cents American.

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