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Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and His ... - 10/29/2007 8:30:29 AM   
SteelofUtah


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I am sure this one has been done but perhaps I will place a new twist on it.

The Ever Encumbering Ego.

Okay lets start with Me! One of my favborite subjects but not from Ego from Humility. You see I was a 16 year old Super Dom. By the time I was 19 I had read everything and learned about everything and had all these witty come backs and knew exactly nothing.

I was the worst kind of Ego riddled Dom, you see I was the kind that thought knowing about stuff meant I KNEW the Stuff.

You will be glad to know that that died when I was 20 and I was put in my place by someone I never would have thought I respected as much as I did, My friends wife who was never in the lifestyle but understood it better than I think I ever will.

You see it was her who taught me that I should understand why someone does what they do rather than why they don't do it another way.

With our daily chats I began to understand how misguided I was, and even more about what is right for me is not right for everyone else. I would love to share much of the insite that this woman gave me but that is not what this thread is about. It's about Ego.

Rewind about 8 years to when I had my first official Lifestyle relationship. I HONESTLY believed that even though My Pedant said it wasn't about sex that, that was all it was about. That the Purpose of BDSM was to get women to do the kinkiest shit you could think up and then treat them like a sexual object in front of all the people you wanted to think you were cool.

What do you want I was 17 and ruled by my penis.

Now I had MANY short lived sexual encounters around this time, because wouldn't you know, even if the 30 to 40 something slaves that mingled at our munches didn't want to surrender to a 17 year old Megalomaniac the sure wanted his sexual stamina and they were not shy in asking for it either.

These sexual encounters made me think that I was just Too Strict for them and that I was in need of a REAL SLAVE not these wanna be cock mongers. This is what brought me to Gor. After a Year of Chest Thumping I decided that I needed a reality check.

I stopped going to Munches, I closed my mIRC Chat rooms and sold My Vandant Forum (I was Popular then) I sat down and re-read everything I said I had read before but really just looked for things I could use to prove that the way I felt was validated by someone else. and then I came back.

So did the Ego, only now it was a different kind of Ego. The one before said that I knew everything there was to know and I was right. This new one said I don't know everything but that doesn't mean you're right so fuck off. I completely closed my ears to everything anyone said that didn't agree with my way of life and told them that that was a nice philosophy but flawed because I didn't agree with it.

Today I know that when it comes to this lifestyle I know what I like and what I don't. I know what I am willing to do and what I am not. I know that there are things I need to learn more about and things that I need to set aside for awhile and see what it means to me after I can clear away all that I have learned about it.

Now this is the kind of Ego I expressed, however there are other Ego's that ring just as annoying and these are ones that get my Goat.

The Sage.

You know the guy that has (Or says he has) lots of experience in Nearly every aspect of BDSM and has a suggestion on a "Better" way to look at it. This is a Person who has taken it upon Himself to teach the world a shorter path from confusion to bliss. This is a calm cool collected bloak who knows all the ropes and is all to quick to show you the ropes as long as you never question his methods for as soon as you do he will scrutinize you with his experience and question what you know with where you have been.

The Believer.

Same as the sage only they constantly use the term "I believe that" so that any questioning of thier positions on things is led again and again to well this is what I believe and comes from the experience I have gathered.

The Minimalizer.

Of all the Egotistical individuals I have ever met this is the one that gets my goat the most. This is the individual who no matter what you have gone through they have gone throught it twice as long and twice as hard and so you don't know what you are talking about because you have yet to have gone throught it like this or like that. This is the person who tells the younger person that they are just a "Baby" and that they will see things differently when they "get there" as if to say that it doesn't matter how one feels because untill the feel like they do then you still have more to learn.

Let me tell you something if every Minimalizer I ever met stood before me today I would say you were right that one day I would change my mind but I still don't agree with you I now feel this way, every last one of them would say that's okay you're still young, that will pass, and you'll come around soon enough.

You see where this may be possibly true it is total ego to think that your way of thinking is the only route to be taken.

So what is your main issue with Ego?

All rants are welcome.

As Always

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 8:35:24 AM   
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Letting it cloud my ability to percieve who someone is-rather than who I want them to be.

Not acceptable.

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 8:46:04 AM   
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My problem with someone who has a big ego is that not enough people tell them that they are full of shit.

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 11:12:42 AM   
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Too right mate, a page full of words to start with, and any time soon another to add to it !

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 11:35:50 AM   
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Nice post.  I say "I believe" or "in my opinion" or "for me" or "personally" alot because not saying it tends to get you jumped to hell and back.

I am constantly reminded that not only do I not know anything about what other people want/need, I don't always know that about myself.  Dom/sub/vanilla alike, relationships constantly change our perceptions of what we believe we want or like.  I hope I never stop learning about me and others, because life would be quite boring.
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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 12:11:28 PM   
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my only problem with ego is when it kills the brain cells that a responsibile for the ability to hear/listen/comprehend anything....

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 12:23:12 PM   
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i think everyone has an ego to an extent just some are more noticable or less palatable than others. I think though that you dont realise your own ego, you choose not to and do you only notice it was bad once it has passed. 

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 1:08:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

Nice post.  I say "I believe" or "in my opinion" or "for me" or "personally" alot because not saying it tends to get you jumped to hell and back.

I am constantly reminded that not only do I not know anything about what other people want/need, I don't always know that about myself.  Dom/sub/vanilla alike, relationships constantly change our perceptions of what we believe we want or like.  I hope I never stop learning about me and others, because life would be quite boring.
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I can relate
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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 2:19:39 PM   
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Ahh Ego Dom...thank you for reminding me.....
I have him down too........
non-falsifiable........ 'I am constantly reminded that not only do I not know anything about what other people want/need, I don't always know that about myself. '..........yes classic case study thanks .....




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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 2:30:15 PM   
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Thanks for renewing my faith in this place.  I found much in common with your post and your experiences.  Thank you for sharing so openly of yourself, that is an all too rare quality in Dominants.

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 2:30:18 PM   
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First, on the believe thing. I like to use this a lot, sometimes to show that what I post is just my opinion, because it is. Or that it is my personal morality. At other times, I post it because someone asks a question, say, asking what others think of so and so. Many are quick to post that everyone has a different opinion, but I choose to give the orignal poster some credit and just give them my opinion if that's what they are asking for. And I make sure to phrase it as my personal opinion, so that no one assumes that I am speaking for everyone at large.

And remember, calling yourself a master does not make you a master.

And is it just me, or does a master get chased out of the sub forum at least once every two weeks? You must be doing something wrong if the subs and slaves gang up on you. And then the switches jump in and then you know it went downhill for the "master's" reputation.

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 2:40:40 PM   
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Awesome honesty on your part. TY for sharing this part of yourself with us.

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 4:03:00 PM   
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The issue for me is really more one of "Is the ego justified?"  Frankly, I have a big ego, have for awhile and think that it's been fairly justified.  I do think that many times in my past people tried to knock me down and blamed my ego when their insecurity was the real issue.

And secondly- is my ego in balance with who I am and how I operate in the world?  If you don't have good balance and perspective, ego, justified or not, will not help the situation.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1184197/mpage_1/key_ego/tm.htm#1184200
the role of ego in bdsm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_812252/mpage_1/key_ego/tm.htm#812584
doms and the ego disease

http://www.collarchat.com/m_318504/mpage_1/key_tops%252Cdisease/tm.htm#318583
tops disease

http://www.collarchat.com/m_717485/mpage_1/key_disease/tm.htm#717748
Tops disease (2)


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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 4:35:34 PM   
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I have no problems stepping up to the plate and being a Minimalizer when I feel the need.  It was often needed in my last relationship where there was a fairly large age gap, I am 37, he was 24.

He was a baby, and whined like a little girl.  He would try and tell me that being bullied at school was every bit as worse as being raped and tortured by your father.  Drama Queen.  Some people need to be told to grow the fuck up.  He'd never lived away from his parents, mine kicked me out at 15.  There are circumstances where I feel fully justified saying, that unless you have walked a mile in my shoes then you have no fucking idea, and its egotistical of you to think that you do.

However, I pepper that with a healthy dose of reverse Minimalizer and have no problems aiming the beacon directly at myself.  When I was volunteering at the rape crisis centre I met a woman who had the most horrible past experiences.... in light of her experiences I am humbled.

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RE: Sometimes there just isn't enough room for Him and ... - 10/29/2007 4:36:53 PM   
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Hey there.

I just wanted to point out that I believe you're mistaken.  Some of us have just done more than you, you know?  I mean, you'll understand how it is when you get here.  So, don't worry about it, I believe you'll get it someday; you're just starting out, after all.

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