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ORIGINAL: kisshou

cheeky,

I walk that way you do also, it is called... heel :)

oh and on the left as to not interfere with his sword hand ;)

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ORIGINAL: Padriag
I was actually raised with this kind of protocol, though what I was taught was a good deal more complex than what you describe. Here are some examples...

Man and woman... woman walks to the left and one step behind unless arm in arm.
Exception, when walking on the sidewalk the woman should always be furthest from the street.

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ORIGINAL: subcheryl
BlkTallFullfig, thank you for seeing the pride I feel in my boys as gentlemen and I want to add, it made me even prouder when one of my boys came home one day from school having been suspended for 3 days for fighting at school, now I never approve of fighting
He said "Mom I just couldn't let him keep talking that crap,. I know it isn't true and it hurt me to hear him say it and then he wouln't let me walk away. so I nailed him." needless to say he didn't get punished HE WAS PROTECTING MY HONOR.

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ORIGINAL: subcheryl

EmeraldSlave2, before you slam me for being sexist, if liking the feeling of being femine is sexist than yes I guess I am and I like it, you don't know my background, so you don't know what a unique thing this is for me to be treated like a woman, and I am loving it.

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ORIGINAL: EmeraldSlave2

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men too busy or moms too busy to teach their boys how to treat a woman,

Mmm gotta love sexist traditions.

I'm certainly not suggesting that being polite is a bad thing, or that we have to sacrifice social graces for social progress (femi-nazi's get a bad rap for that). BUT they are what they are- sexist ideals of behavior. And any reminiscing of how great it was for women way back when and how wonderful males were way back when needs the FULL picture, not just the fairy tale.

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I find it interesting that most of the responses indicate the submissive/slave is on the left. I was taught that a wife walks on the left and a slave/girl walks on the right. I think what is most interesting to me is that this was not only the protocol of my leather family, but also of my owner when I came to him. Are we the only ones...lol?

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Albert Guerard said "Chivalry is the most delicate form of contempt." I think he was right. ~MsIncognito

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ORIGINAL: MsIncognito
Albert Guerard said "Chivalry is the most delicate form of contempt." I think he was right.

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ORIGINAL: cheekybottom

At this point I would like to perform an intervention of sorts.

It is interesting how this thread branched out into other areas such as sexist acts and etiquette. While I would like to redirect our thoughts back to the original premise. I feel it best that we take this time instead and mention that the word sexist much like manipulation is a word which reflects both positive and negative connotations. Based upon my interpretations of what I have read so far is that EmeraldSlave2 is looking at this objectively and subcheryl personally. One could be a little more sensitive and the other open-minded. But then we wouldn’t have this wonderful comparison to scrutinize.

When I hear the word sexist my first reaction is that of a “male pig” or a woman working the system to her benefit. However in this case these sexist acts/expectations we are referring to are chivalrous deeds designed to show respect and manners (class or gender distinction)-intent. But let us also consider receptiveness and orientation because this is where things get tricky in our world vanilla or otherwise.

A Dominant woman should she take the lead and show respect towards her male/female sub and hold open doors or should she step back and allow her femininity shine therefore requiring the submissive no matter if they are male/female show their difference to her therefore neutering the submissive females gender (her right to feminine respect/chivalrous acts) in which also lowers the standards in orientation/role of the male submissive who isn’t given a fair shake in comparison to the dynamics of a Male Dominant and female submissive.

In the corporate vanilla world, what do you do? Do you open the door of the executive she wolf or do you let her be her own man, do you pay the lunch tab or allow her to since she is your supervisor, do you grip her hand or kiss the back of it?

Sexist behavior is based upon perception, expectation, acceptance/receptiveness and orientation. Word of advice know who you are dealing with before you put thought into motion smiles.

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Albert Guerard said "Chivalry is the most delicate form of contempt." I think he was right. ~MsIncognito

In this case I'd have to agree with you smiles.

subcheryl: please don’t take this personally. I too am raising young ones, girls who will one day become women but no matter their age I will continue to teach them the ways of being a lady as I know them to be.

I now bring us back to the original post depending upon audience approval,
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ORIGINAL: cheekybottom

Smiles read her profile she is high into philosophy which by nature speaks of values, specific view points, personal/non personal beliefs, attitudes, a way of life but not specifically hers or yours. She can be very objective and pragmatic, which are excellent qualities to have however I personally feel she could do with a little sweetner in her life. Perhaps we are here today to soften her up a bit smiles.

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I once took her personally; I believe it had to do with my romanticized way of writing. But upon careful reflection I have found that she sees in contrasts-white and black issue perception, completely factual.

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Two different head spaces, which is great because it offers variances for the forum readers to absorb, but imagine the power when two heads become one in their understanding and acceptance of each other regardless if both parties agree or disagree. Sometimes you gotta turn the thing upside down in order to see the whole picture. And if your both lucky you’ll get that one great thing.

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