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Desensitization - 10/30/2007 3:27:24 AM   
Veryleggyredhead


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Status: offline 		I have heard some say that over time they become desensitized
to a present level of pain and require a higher level to reach
the same endorphin rush that they could previously attain
with a lesser level. Can anyone shed light on this interesting
assertion? Am curious as to whether it is prevalent amongst
those who enjoy pain stimulation.



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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 4:46:56 AM   
Dnomyar


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Status: offline 		I dont enjoy pain but from childhood experience you can get desensitised to pain.

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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 5:01:25 AM   
adoracat


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Veryleggyredhead

I have heard some say that over time they become desensitized
to a present level of pain and require a higher level to reach
the same endorphin rush that they could previously attain
with a lesser level. Can anyone shed light on this interesting
assertion? Am curious as to whether it is prevalent amongst
those who enjoy pain stimulation.



yes and no.  i have chronic pain.  i'm normally at a 7-8 on the 10 scale.  Daddy giving me controled sensation/pain allows enough endorphins to be released that i get a 24-48 hour break from that.

me personally, it doesnt take a whole lot to get there, or to get me off for that matter.  others, it may.

kitten, who needs that again.

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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 5:15:41 AM   
RRafe


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Status: offline 		I use sensation play sparingly. Especially that which comes from impact-it can damage nerve endings.

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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 6:58:13 AM   
Driver1961


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My understanding of what you ask is true.  Little different to any drug use.  Your tolerance becomes higher however a long cessation will lower your tolerance again like any other drug.

Nerve damage is however a different ballgame and generally irreversible.  

< Message edited by Driver1961 -- 10/30/2007 7:00:01 AM >

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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 7:05:42 AM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		Not uncommon. People who run marathons don't get runner's high from an amble around the block, they require a more strenuous work out to get the same endorphin release that originally came with a less strenuous workout.

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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 7:13:23 AM   
laurell3


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Status: offline 		For me it's most definitely true that my tolerance for pain became higher as I encountered it more, however, I think it also has alot to do with the fact that I don't view many things as strictly painful now. Pain combined with sensual stimuli changes how one views the painful stimuli.  Things I once thought were painful now are erotic.  I'm not sure that's desentitization as much as conditioning.
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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 10:27:48 AM   
DMFParadox


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Status: offline 		There's three ways that you adapt to pain: 1, you lose the nerves that cause it, 2, you get over the shock value of it and adjust (like stepping into a cold pool), 3, you get more long-term conditioning that allows you to shunt the pain aside mentally--just not notice it, the same way you can persuade yourself blind temporarily (at least, I can.)

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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 6:06:35 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		It's prevalent for most humans.  How long do you notice the touch of the fabric you wear at work?  How long do you notice the watch on your wrist?  How many times are you surprised by the volume of your car radio when you leave it turned on after turning the car off the next time you turn it on?

Habituation is a necessary process for humans to survive- it allows us to filter out the "norms" of what we experience so we can pay attention to the "changes" which could signal a need to change something about ourselves or our environment.

Pain play simply plays on this notion a little father than most others.  Like everything, do it often enough, regularly enough, it will become ordinary.  That doesn't mean you won't feel it as pain, simply that you will acclimate to it much quicker.

The good news of course is that once you take AWAY the stimulus, your body immediate begins to recuperate from the habituation and brings you back down to your "norm" level.  It's also worth mentioning that everyone's "norm" levels are different.

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RE: Desensitization - 10/30/2007 10:27:35 PM   
LATEXBABY64


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RE: Desensitization - 10/31/2007 2:21:54 AM   
LeatherMessiah


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Status: offline 		Around these parts, we call it "rhino-hide" -- some sort of SCA/BDSM crossover, or something...

Anyhoo, the thing nobody mentioned here is the fact that, when subjected to regular & heavy duress, bruising of the skin can actually produce a toughening of the subderma -- which leads to lowering of sensitivety &, therefor, a need for greater stimulation -- &, unlike the neural aclimation that others have mentioned here, this condition will NOT just go back to normal if you lay off the beating for a little while -- this kind of rhino-hide isn't just a sensory/neural effect -- it's like scar-tissue or a callous &, once formed, it can take a loooooong time to go away...

So far as I know, however, rhino-hide is really only a risk for people who play hard -- & there's probably also an inherent genetic factor involved, as well -- but, as long as you don't do a lot of heavy bottoming, you shouldn't have to worry too much about it...

-Reuter

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RE: Desensitization - 10/31/2007 3:34:06 AM   
CuriousLord


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Veryleggyredhead

I have heard some say that over time they become desensitized
to a present level of pain and require a higher level to reach
the same endorphin rush that they could previously attain
with a lesser level. Can anyone shed light on this interesting
assertion? Am curious as to whether it is prevalent amongst
those who enjoy pain stimulation.


The human mind tends to ignore/block-out stimuli as it sees fit.  Reoccuring stimuli which would've been heeded for the sake of the human's safetly, yet have failed to have reinforcement due to actual danger, are likely to fade.  This includes pain.

Increasing levels of pain and different kinds of pain are two common ways around this.  It's plausible that an active, long-term masochist may run a set of pain responses down, switch to a new set, then perhaps to more new sets, eventually repeating previous sets when they're more relatively viable again.

I'm not a masochist, but if someone stabbed me with a knife in one of my limbs, I'd probably hardly even flinch.  At the same time, I'm probably about on par with pains due to thinks like heart burn.  Largely, when I was young, I played rough- cuts and scratches all over.  After that, I got into some violent stuff for a while.  So, now, much of my outter body is unusually conditioned to take it.  Since I'm not a masochist, I had every reason to encourage the lack of response, whereas many masochists probably attempt to stave it off.  However, I'm about as acustomed to heart burn as the next guy, so my tolerance for it isn't nearly so great.  I'm unsure to what degree my other types of pain tolerance help me or hurt me with regards to unrelated pain tolerances, such as the given examples of being stabbed versus heart burn.

Over the summer, I went to the ER for unbearable pain due to uncontrollable muscle spasisms (sp?).  This was after a couple days of trying to tolerate them as they grew progressively worse.  I was amazed, in the moments that I could focus well enough, about the fact that the pain affected me so severely when I could readily sense that it wasn't as bad as other sorts of pain that I've shrugged off before.  I believe this to be a function of the type of pain and the duration over which it occured.  Then again, maybe that pain really was just so intense that it went through any lack of response I may've accumulated.

Speaking of accumulated lack of responses, I really need to get to bed.

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RE: Desensitization - 11/3/2007 2:29:24 AM   
DMFParadox


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Status: offline 		Oh GOD yes, muscle spasms... it's that feeling of powerlessness along with the actual pain, as if that part of your body doesn't belong to you anymore.  I can't stand it.




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RE: Desensitization - 11/3/2007 5:53:26 AM   
Littlepita


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ORIGINAL: DMFParadox

There's three ways that you adapt to pain: 1, you lose the nerves that cause it, 2, you get over the shock value of it and adjust (like stepping into a cold pool), 3, you get more long-term conditioning that allows you to shunt the pain aside mentally--just not notice it, the same way you can persuade yourself blind temporarily (at least, I can.)

Regards



I relate to number 2 and 3 of DMFParadox's post. We love impact play and over time, I have learned what to expect and how to submit to the experience. In the beginning, it took very little to have me in tears and begging him to stop. It takes much, much more now and especially if I'm in the right mind set to accept the pain. It's a journey and it's awesome!

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RE: Desensitization - 11/3/2007 6:27:38 AM   
slimcontroller


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quote:

become desensitized
to a present level of pain and require a higher level


Well experience and the majority vote seems to confirm the truth of this. Quite what the mechanism may be - who knows ?

The next question must be whether the condition is reversable? Here my personal experience is that it is, provided time is allowed to heal.

Slimc.


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