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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 11:03:00 AM

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I root for the bad guys in some films, I feel bad for them. The dinosaurs in JP, Dracula, Adam [the monster Frankenstein created], the wolfman, mostly the older movies, and in Phantom of the Opera; some other villans, not many.

If the 'real world.' I don't root for the villan.. That is completly different.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 11:06:47 AM

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The number one example for me is Blade Runner. Rutger Hauer's android is the boo hiss villain until we see that he's just like us: all he wants is to cling to life. Awesome moment when he dies in the rain.

Oh yeah and in Blade 3, I wanted Parker Posey to drink everybody and have spin off movie on her own as a bad-ass vampire bitch!

Totaly on spot there...
Esp. with Blade Runner... I never wanted the "good guy" to win. The "Tears in Rain" scene is classic. In Vampire/Werewolf movies I always want them to win. Arachnaphobia.. The Spider should have bitten him and been done with it. Both my son and I were upset about that one. Snow White? The Dark Queen rocks. I wanted to be her each and every Halloween as a little girl.

In Hercules by Disney I loved Megra.. She wasnt a villan per se.. but she wasnt squeeky clean either. Hades was funny! Loved the chunky lil muse.

Paladins are just so.... boring.. and gut wrenchingly Bleh.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 11:16:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd
Totaly on spot there...
Esp. with Blade Runner... I never wanted the "good guy" to win. The "Tears in Rain" scene is classic. In Vampire/Werewolf movies I always want them to win. Arachnaphobia.. The Spider should have bitten him and been done with it. Both my son and I were upset about that one. Snow White? The Dark Queen rocks. I wanted to be her each and every Halloween as a little girl.
In Hercules by Disney I loved Megra.. She wasnt a villan per se.. but she wasnt squeeky clean either. Hades was funny! Loved the chunky lil muse.
Paladins are just so.... boring.. and gut wrenchingly Bleh.
Gwyn

Well, Megra is the archetype of "bad girl falls for hero and goes 'good'"...Doesn't every man want to "turn" a woman to his way? And yes, loved the short, fat muse, shown positively, as a happy, and somewhat randy woman-oid.
Arachnophobia, you're absolutely right, what was it waiting for? There's a long tradition of HUMAN villains gloating or explaining too much until the hero escapes, but part of the allure of machine or animal villains is that they supposedly don't have that kind of ego, and therefore will react with cruelty and efficiency born of "need", rather than malice...Wasn't BladeRunner at its core another technophobia movie: "Be careful, we'll invent fake humans that will kill in the hopes that we'll entend their lifespans"? Indeed, I believe that the reason they gave them foreshortened lifespans was so that they WOULDN'T develop human self-awareness--or was it simply a thinly-disguised comment on how disposable lives are?
Either way, you're correct, dark heroes are MUCH better, as long as they quit angsting about wanting to be "normal"!

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 11:18:13 AM

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I have been obsessed with The Phantom of the Opera since I was 16. I have always rooted for the Phantom and have always hated the character of Christine as a weak willed, whiney little b*tch that chose money and wimpy little Raoul over the beauty of love and music that the Phantom offered. I own just about every book and movie ever made and even in the Robert Englund version (Freddie Kruger meets Phantom style gore) I always cry like a sap when the Phantom dies or is left behind. I actually have always had a fantasy about a role play scenario where I could be my own Dominant version of Christine with the Phantom on his knees before me. LOL Never found a sub willing to play that one out (or good enough/familiar enough with the story to make it believeable)

Dracula 2000 got me too, I wanted him to win! But I think vampires should always win!

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 11:22:36 AM

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I agree, sort of, although an illegal squatter in the theater, the Phantom WAS a shadowy Dom, and the "hero" was weak-willed in the extreme (A 90's kind of guy?

)...The first version I watched, the Phantom of the Opera had hypnotic powers...or else the fog had a HUGE THC content...the girl's eyes widened and lost focus, and he led the girl around like a little pet...But still, the Phantom was always in control, and somehow a genius mechanic, able to rig the theater itself to do his will! (Where DOES he get those wonderful toys? And more importantly, where does he get the money for them? THAT was more mysterious than he is!)
If you like vampires to win, try BLADE (Admittedly, a bit too close to MATRIX in style), or the old TV series, "Forever Knight", or its modern copycat, "Moonlight"

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 11:37:45 AM

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Where DOES he get those wonderful toys?

On Broadway, IATSE Local #1.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 11:55:01 AM

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What we need, "My Fellow Americans", is a real "Hero", who can be hired with only a "Fistful of Dollars", make a "Deep Impact" "Behind Enemy Lines"...A good "Sniper", a great "Hunter", capable of "Assassin"-ating their whole "Army of Darkness" with "Magnum Force"! And when they whine that "They Hunger", he "Unleashed" a "Fistful of Boomstick" on their asses--"Sideways"! Whether a "Man on Fire", or a "Professional" "Terminator", he just needs to be the "Last Man Standing"!

Now YOU try stringing together a bunch of movie references into a coherent sentence!

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 12:13:48 PM

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...i always want the talking bomb in 'Dark Star' to win......oh, wait, it does

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 1:07:36 PM

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I gotta agree.. I hated it when Christine went over for the limp wristed whimpy as hell Raoul *Gah!*

Give me the tall, dark, twisted, broody... but still inherantly good at thier core anti-hero and my knees go weak.

Angel or Spike will do nicely thank you very much!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnfsQ20XPVQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7vEdYq1LPM

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 8:19:55 PM

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Steven Segal couldn't act his way out of a paperbag. the guy has only one facial expersion and its as blank as an emty refrgerator.

I can't wait to see you say that to his face and the first five seconds there after.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 8:29:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: BloodLuna

I have been obsessed with The Phantom of the Opera since I was 16. I have always rooted for the Phantom and have always hated the character of Christine as a weak willed, whiney little b*tch that chose money and wimpy little Raoul over the beauty of love and music that the Phantom offered. I own just about every book and movie ever made and even in the Robert Englund version (Freddie Kruger meets Phantom style gore) I always cry like a sap when the Phantom dies or is left behind. I actually have always had a fantasy about a role play scenario where I could be my own Dominant version of Christine with the Phantom on his knees before me. LOL Never found a sub willing to play that one out (or good enough/familiar enough with the story to make it believeable)

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Dracula 2000 got me too, I wanted him to win! But I think vampires should always win!

Thanks for rooting for me. I think I should always win too.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 8:44:51 PM

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No, I don't root for the bad guy in movies, but very often, those are the characters I enjoy the most. When a talented actor really embraces a dark role, it can be a thing of wonder. I'm thinking DeNiro in Angel Heart, Jack Nicholson in Batman, or, one I just discovered, William Hurt's very crazy little part in The History of Violence.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 10/31/2007 9:04:54 PM

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I always rooted for Snidely Whiplash in the "Bullwinkle" cartoon. Frickin' Dudley Dooright always had to cockblock when Snidely had lil' Nell tied down firmly to the railroad tracks. Just once, he should stayed out of it and let Snidely have his way

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I also rooted for the villains in Rob Zombie's movies "House of 1000 Corpses" and "Devil's Rejects." They were such cool psychos and who wouldn't root for hot-ass Sherri Moon Zombie?

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 11/1/2007 3:45:04 AM

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With the old monster movies like The Werewolf (wolfman), Frankenstein, Godzilla etc, you're actually intended to root for the bad guy. They're anti-heroes but not my favourites - too wronged and Promethean. Get a clue, guys. As for Raoul, he's just this awful, milque-toast straight hero-type and it's why I can't relate to that story as I might. It's too unjust!

Seeing the Evil Queen in Snow White for the first time: a profound and very possibly formative experience (shivers)

Anita Pallenberg in Barbarella, "come to me, pretty-pretty". So good I thought I was hallucinating.

Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman -- had possibilities. But Halle Barry is said to be re-visiting the role with the female director of her last film. Now that I want to see.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 11/1/2007 5:10:06 AM

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Fangs: Well I can't ADMIT to actually liking the dominant side of the Phantom now can I ??? LOL That might destroy my image.

Then again - there is some definate fun in the thought of power struggle with a dominant on a rampage!!!! And then Dracula 2000! Could it just be my prejudice for adoring Gerald Butler? LOL You want fantasy? LOL Combine the Phantom with a set of fangs and a sanguinarian appetite and I just might go permenantly submissive!!!!! LOL

Gwyn: Give me Spike any day! But I like him better in the flash backs from when he was first created! I totally go for the victorian look. (Accents help too!)

Epgah: I LOVED Forever Knight. I just heard about moonlight but I HATE coming into the middle of a series!!!!

Reality: Barberella ROCKS!!! I want an Orgasmatron!!!! LOL

Lady Luna

edited for spelling that I probably got wrong anyway! LOL

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 11/1/2007 6:08:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: slaveluci

I always rooted for Snidely Whiplash in the "Bullwinkle" cartoon. Frickin' Dudley Dooright always had to cockblock when Snidely had lil' Nell tied down firmly to the railroad tracks. Just once, he should stayed out of it and let Snidely have his way.

Awesome

Another vote for the Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman... big shock coming from a malesub, i'm sure. If any hot, sadistic villainess needs a henchman that can actually shoot, i will wholeheartedly endorse your plans for world Domination!

i always rooted for the Tall Man and the flying balls from the Phantasm series... the flying balls are one of my favorite movie devices EVAR

Christian Slater in Heathers (i had issues in high school)

The cops in Gone in 60 Seconds... fucking car thieves should be drawn and quartered

Christine the '58 Plymouth

i'm sure there are others, but those are the ones that come to mind first...

Edit: Jeeze, i almost forgot.
Wile E. Coyote.
You want to catch a bird for dinner? Great, so what's step one?
Buy a case of dynamite.
Now that's the kind of problem-solving that i can really get behind.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 11/1/2007 7:15:08 AM

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This one might be a bit obscure, not many people have seen the hentai (spelling?) La Blue Girl. Its anime demon porn about a girl who fights demons with sex. The king of the demons is her father. This guy has a schlong from hell!!! I can't help rooting for the guy - its hard enough for a male to get laid when he's normal sized. try getting it with a 10 inch WIDE one! LOL.

I can think of one villian that we all totally blanked on. Lestat in Interview with a Vampire! (Sorry Fangs, you got me on a vampire streak!) Who DOESN'T root for Lestat - even though he's an egotistical f**k head. LOL Armand too even though he's an immature child - both of them trigger the protective VampMommy in me! I just want to draw them to my caring bossom with a knife and a smile. LOL

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 11/1/2007 7:21:09 AM

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Miko's fahter isn't a villian.

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 11/1/2007 7:25:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: BloodLuna
Epgah: I LOVED Forever Knight. I just heard about moonlight but I HATE coming into the middle of a series!!!!
Reality: Barberella ROCKS!!! I want an Orgasmatron!!!! LOL
Lady Luna
edited for spelling that I probably got wrong anyway! LOL

As to Moonlight, it's only the second episode, and if you look on YouTube or similar sites, you can probably find a copy of the pilot floating around somewhere, before they take it down--and someone ELSE puts it right back up!

Never saw Barbarella, but you might be interested in FemAlien or Orgasmo! Camp "classics" of B-Movie sci-fi, and interspecies sexual attraction (Note how aliens always take on the appearance--and sometimes artificially low IQ--of attractive bimbos, rather than average girls...It's almost like they WANT to draw attention to themselves!) And for aliens as Dommes, try Decoys 1 or 2!

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RE: Rooting for the Villian - 11/1/2007 7:29:49 AM

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...i always want the talking bomb in 'Dark Star' to win......oh, wait, it does

Completely forgotten that film, Would love to see it again. Thanks for the reminder.

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