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.animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 5:45:51 AM   
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Call for national pet blood bank  Leading UK vets say a national blood bank is needed to save the lives of sick and injured dogs and cats.

 
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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 5:50:10 AM   
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Sounds like a great idea

Bit of a bugger getting the consent forms signed though?

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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 5:54:37 AM   
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Sounds like a great idea

Bit of a bugger getting the consent forms signed though?

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Yup - although I believe it possible is someone can get their paws on one... (sorry - bad I know).
I will add, I am kind of on the line on this though, I can understand that animals need blood, but at the same time something in me niggles at taking blood from other animals.  Completely torn on that and just cannot decide.
 
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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 6:25:25 AM   
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Personally I think its sick that people care more about animals rather than other people.

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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 6:33:30 AM   
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Personally I think its sick that people care more about animals rather than other people.


I don't see it indicated that people care more about animals that people.
Personally, I believe that as sentient beings we should do our best for all that live, human or not.
 
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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 6:35:47 AM   
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We can barely get humans to give blood to help other people, what makes you think that people are going to bringin their pets so you can take blood?

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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 7:24:25 AM   
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Responsibility begins at home. In my case that is one slave girl and one cat.

I had never thought about doing it before, but I may do it now that it has arisen conversationally as a good thing to do. In fact, my animal is due for her checkup this month anyway. I shall ask about the blood donating options at my earliest opportunity.

I care generally about my fellow man, but then that's a lot of nameless faces to me at the same time. And to be honest if I had to choose between saving the life of my cat and one of my human neighbors - I'd save my cat.

That's how it is - I care first and foremost about me and mine. Then I care about people who are friends of like mind. And finally I might have some compassion for the rest of you nameless fuckers too - but it's lower on the list to be sure.

And I wouldn't cross the street to piss on George Bush even if he were on fire. If it were the end times, I'd feed his remains to my cat.

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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 7:44:02 AM   
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I just find it sad that people dislike other people so much that that if they had to make a choice they would rather save the animal over the person.

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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 8:04:01 AM   
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If a person donates blood, then they are more than likely I would imagine that they may consider taking in their pet to donate.
Besides, the object is to highlight that a national blood bank may help injured pets, not that humans are shit.
 
What about the police dogs, or guide dogs, mountain rescue dogs that assist humans - are you saying they aren't as important?  Being sentient doesn't give a human automatic rights over another creature - only your own thought process does.
If it wasnt for many animals, humans would have died off a long time ago.
 
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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 8:25:14 AM   
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Sounds like a great idea

Bit of a bugger getting the consent forms signed though?

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Yup - although I believe it possible is someone can get their paws on one... (sorry - bad I know).
I will add, I am kind of on the line on this though, I can understand that animals need blood, but at the same time something in me niggles at taking blood from other animals.  Completely torn on that and just cannot decide.
 
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What I cant imagine, is that people are going to take their healthy animals to the vets in order to donate blood. For cats especially, a visit to the vets can be very stressful too. If they wanted to make home visits, I could see it working. If they would offer a discount on future treatment in return for donation, I could see it working. I just cant see that many people being willing to put their pets through a stressful situation for the common good, you know?
 
But the OP has made me wonder - from where do they get blood for animals at the vets at the moment? If my puddytats go in overnight, are they being drained without my knowledge, for instance, for use in treatment of another puddytat next day?
 
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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 8:48:10 AM   
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They say that the dogs (no mention of cats) must be over a certain weight but it certainly put the same question in my mind as to where they get the blood from now as surely the 'benevolent' large dog owners must be a minority?
 
Ach...the articles that make you think hey...
 
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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 12:11:53 PM   
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I just find it sad that people dislike other people so much that that if they had to make a choice they would rather save the animal over the person.


It's not dislike, per se. It's just not "like" either.

In all cases, no one should look to me for charity or help until I have secured the safety of me and mine.

That's exactly what everyone else does, and it's my rule of thumb also. I can't see how it's a surprise to anyone.

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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 1:11:20 PM   
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There is something similiar already in place in the US  though not necessaruly national
http://www.itsfortheanimals.com/HEMOPET.HTM

Other places in the US and in Canada keep donor dogs which they adopt out later, or blood donors come in once a month to donate blood  , there are guidelines  on the minimum weight and age of the dog  used as donors , people who take theri dogs into to donate  often recieve in exchange for their time free heartworm and tick disease testing,  vet exam  free heartworm med, free vaccination, dog treats, and free blood should their dog ever need.     The free tests/vaccines/heartworm meds/exam  is worth about $500 if the owner had to pay out of pocket, many owners of multiple dogs do donate as it is a means to keep their vet coss low.   The most common breed of dog housed by vets and veterinary  colleges as donor dogs are greyhounds (ex racers)  usually kept for 2 years and then retired from donoring  to be adopted out.  normally are 4 or 5 years old, so still plently young enough to enjoy life as a pet.  Most greyhounds are universal donors similiar to type O in humans but as an added bonus they  have much higher RBC counts than other breeds. .  There are several purebred breeds where the vast majority of the breed have bleeding disorders such VonWillibrands   or types of hemophilia, also many breeds are susceptible to rotational  torsion of the stomach  which can also cause the spleen to torsion as well  and depend on the availability of having access to blood, because the supply is short here in Canada  the cost of a litre of blood can range in cost from $1000 to $2000.    I personally have 2 dogs  who  are at risk and whose lives may depends on available blood, one who has hyperspleenism the other  has a bleeding disorder and lacks enough fibrogen in her blood to allow sufficient clotting , so an injury that another dog can handle with no problem can be a death sentence to her so she needs replacement blood that does have to capacity to form clots, .They are both greyhounds  they are very passive when it comes to doing bloodwork, several friends I met  through my time volunteering to help adopt greynounds have dogs that give blood regularily and local greyhound breeder started setting up quarterily blood donor clinics  in different area of the province in order to encourage dog owners to participate with their dogs I am a little more fortunate than many other dog owners  in the fact that if one of my dogs becomes injured and requires blood  and if none is available in the bloodbank I have people/ adoption groups  I can contact  who can rush over some dogs over that are already blood typed and have been tested free of  diseases and good for me to know since I have 4 dogs total none of which can donate blood because of size age or disease


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RE: .animalbloodbank. - 10/31/2007 3:29:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Sounds like a great idea

Bit of a bugger getting the consent forms signed though?

E


Yup - although I believe it possible is someone can get their paws on one... (sorry - bad I know).
I will add, I am kind of on the line on this though, I can understand that animals need blood, but at the same time something in me niggles at taking blood from other animals.  Completely torn on that and just cannot decide.
 
Peace
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What I cant imagine, is that people are going to take their healthy animals to the vets in order to donate blood. For cats especially, a visit to the vets can be very stressful too. If they wanted to make home visits, I could see it working. If they would offer a discount on future treatment in return for donation, I could see it working. I just cant see that many people being willing to put their pets through a stressful situation for the common good, you know?
 
But the OP has made me wonder - from where do they get blood for animals at the vets at the moment? If my puddytats go in overnight, are they being drained without my knowledge, for instance, for use in treatment of another puddytat next day?
 
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Lady Ellen the chances of that happening to your kittly is slim to none
Many vets have inhouse cats that they obtained as kittens from shelters that are their blood donors, thes cats often  have free run of the office and have become used to the handling with all the staff and therefore are conditioned to become relaxed as blood donors, my vet has 3 on site  lol not much will phase them and it is much easier for them to have their own cats that they know the health of because they are not roaming loise and getting into fights with other animals so remain disease free, pet owner cats can be far more riskier to use as donors     Vet are not willing to use just any animal as a donor as screening for blood type and diseases needs to be done first, some of the disease testing is quite expensive so when tested they would like that animal to be an ongoing donor, the reason they offer free heartworm meds and vaccines to owners who donate to maintain the health of the donor dog, because donor dogs need to be over 40 lb and dogs require more care than cats it is not as easy for most vets to keep donor dogs at their offices

Many of the  top show breeders are well educated in health issues in breeds so help using their own dogs to contribute as donors as well as invest time and money doing genetic testing  to ensure they are producing dogs that are genetically free of disease having donor dogs also can free up money to help cover the cost of some of the genetic and health screening tests,  they may need to run 3 or 4 different DNA tests on a one dog,  I needed one in the past for one of my dogs  that test was $300 US another specialiized test that was done to test for reason for blood clotting  failure ran about $200, so a breeder who wants to prove their breeding dogs are genetically sound  before breeding will often need to spend $2000 to $3000 on tests  just for one dog  this does not including general health care or the cost of actual breeding.  Some of the genetic screens need only to be done once in the dogs lifetime others need to be done prior to every breeding,  so having some of their dogs as blood donors can help to offset their costs of general health care and maintenance, if they have 4 donor dogs it can help cut about $2000 off their yearly costs so can help to cover the genetic screeing for 1 dog.


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