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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 3:19:51 PM

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That aside, your voter eligibility is upon receipt of the form, BY LAW, ( In NYS ) verified by the Board of Elections -- within 21 days. And they can send the Sheriff over to interview you and your neighbors if you don't check out.

And do they do that? Do they actually do that?

Well, if they ain't then not issuing people Driver's Licenses isn't going to fix your problem with the Board of Elections.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 3:36:09 PM

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Follow along now...

bush will be president for more than a year,now(14 plus months).

YOU stay on topic. His entire thread is about HILLARY. Not Bush. Bush is not going to run again. So 14 months nonwithstanding, it's irrelevant.

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Every republican candidate(accept Paul) is running to the right of bush.

Left and Right don't mean much in this topic. Are you for or against drivers licenses for illegals?

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None of them(accept Paul) will change a thing about immigration,legal or illegal.Post #: 13

He wouldn't change anything either. Truth is, the things that need to happen won't.

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And not for nothing,this is a federal mess.Not a state mess.
bush,by disign,created and continues to create this mess.

I'm angry as anyone at Bush over his (non)stance on this. But he certainly didn't DESIGN or CREATE this. He inherited it.

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To bring you up to speed,corporite America owns bush,and he does as he`s told.bush is allowing this crap to happen,to drive the cost of labor down.

Get in touch with reality.

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Hillary did not,nor did any of the other candidates, create this problem

No, but basically, she could make it worse, if she's elected.

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Now that you have a forum here,why don`t you tell us how we should solve this very complicated problem,in simple ,straight answers.

I participate in many forums. I can tell you some of my opinions on how to solve it, but it's a rather complicated mess.

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Take your time,and tackle every and all issues surrounding illegal immigration.

Why? So you can misrepresent and insult me?

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Simple answers,like "close the border" and "lock`m all up",won`t do.Give us realistic,practical,manageable ways to deal with every aspect of this issue.One sided answers won`t cut it either,and never have.

You're already assuming things about me and my opinions. Quit.

YOU stay on topic. His entire thread is about HILLARY. Not Bush. Bush is not going to run again. So 14 months nonwithstanding, it's irrelevant.

It`s also about "straight answers".And if you can`t provide any yourself,you have no right to demand that others should.

Left and Right don't mean much in this topic.

Sure it does.If bush is going to claim credit for his alleged accomplishments,he`s also going to get the blame for his failures too.He`s in charge,and has had 7 years to fix it.Instead,it`s gone from around 3 million a year(under Clinton),to over 8 mil. per year today.

That`s like inheriting a swamp,and almost tripling it`s size,and then claiming you inherited the bigger swamp.Not accurate,or honest,but really more of a cop out.

Now...

Can anyone explain why ,when super-bushie Rudy Giuliani was mayor of NYC,he didn`t turn in any illegals who sought medical help,or who came to the police as crime victims?Or for any reason?

Anyone?

Try to think of a good answer,and then I`ll respond with the actual reasons why Rudy did this.

Hint,it wasn`t to get votes,or b/c he didn`t have a straight answer.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 4:09:47 PM

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I don't think it's possable for Hillary Clinton to be elected President given her stance on liscenses for illegal aliens and the fact that she voted for Bush's amnesty in June.
You can't go against more than 90% of the American People on those issues and expect to win.
I may be going over to Ireland next year and placing a large bet on the election with Powers Bookmakers.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 5:09:02 PM

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Instead of the question being,"should we give DLs to illegals?",a more honest and practical question would be,.."do you want a driver, to be licensed or un-licensed?

I`m thinking that Orion ,would prefer the un-licensed version,and to have the roads full of un-licensed drivers.

Until the feds do their job,states will do what they have to to cope.
Here, we have bush actually doing the fucking up(lol),and we have Hillary sounding un-clear,on the illegal immigration thing.

Where`s the sense of balance?

I really don`t see bush getting pounded,for his fuck up.And Hillary`s going to get beat up, over something she did cause?

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 6:35:05 PM

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Over 70% of New Yorkers DO NOT support the governors plan to give licenses to illegal aliens. You can argue all you want....but where is the democratic principle in this? If you are governor and 70% of the people of your state is against a law, will you push it through anyway?

Democrats are going to lose that governorship in 2010....I can assure you that right now. Spitzer is nothing but a complete arrogant baphoon.

One thing this immigration debate has shown us is just how bought and paid-for these politicians are. You got 70-80% of the country against these amnesty laws and yet the politicians don't pay any attention to the democracy. They know their campaigns and political parties are being financed by corporations and special interest groups that benefit a great deal on illegal immigration.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 6:48:28 PM

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Over 70% of New Yorkers DO NOT support the governors plan to give licenses to illegal aliens. You can argue all you want....but where is the democratic principle in this? If you are governor and 70% of the people of your state is against a law, will you push it through anyway?

How many of those 70% are just mis-informed by all the Bushco Sock-Puppets, parroting the bullshit?

Since there is NO DOWNSIDE to giving ALL DRIVERS licenses when they pass the tests, I don't understand all the manufactured hysteria.

Or, do we need to preserve "The Right To MANDATORY Auto Insurance" to just Citizens and Legal Residents?

Shouldn't ALL "Free Marketers" welcome all customers?

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 6:58:23 PM

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Over 70% of New Yorkers DO NOT support the governors plan to give licenses to illegal aliens. You can argue all you want....but where is the democratic principle in this? If you are governor and 70% of the people of your state is against a law, will you push it through anyway?

Democrats are going to lose that governorship in 2010....I can assure you that right now. Spitzer is nothing but a complete arrogant baphoon.

One thing this immigration debate has shown us is just how bought and paid-for these politicians are. You got 70-80% of the country against these amnesty laws and yet the politicians don't pay any attention to the democracy. They know their campaigns and political parties are being financed by corporations and special interest groups that benefit a great deal on illegal immigration.

70 % of Americans want out of Iraq.There goes your democracy for ya.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 6:59:23 PM

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No, it's common sense, fargle.

These people are not even supposed to be here. They are here illegally...yet we are arguing whether to hand them out drivers licenses...

How about throwing them out of the country which is what the current law calls for? And then fine the company they were working for.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:02:11 PM

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I guess this means that Cyberdude, is in favor of un-licensed drivers on our roads.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:03:56 PM

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I guess this means that Cyberdude, is in favor of un-licensed drivers on our roads.

No, just when a cop pulls them over and they dont have a license....arrest them and deport them.

Pretty simple.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:08:56 PM

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Owner, I'm not in favor of unliscensed drivers on the road.
And I'm not in favor of any illegals even being in the country.
And, there are a whole bunch of people in N.Y. of all flavors who are against Prince Eliot.
He better be careful or they'll have a *recall election* on his ass.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:09:48 PM

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No, it's common sense, fargle.

These people are not even supposed to be here. They are here illegally...yet we are arguing whether to hand them out drivers licenses...

How about throwing them out of the country which is what the current law calls for? And then fine the company they were working for.

That's not good for the price of my P&C Insurance stocks, so it's not Good For America.

Joking aside, SUUUURE, I'd love a system where when you get picked up for a felony, say, and you're not -- see.. I kinda have what amounts to a religious taboo against DEMANDING *anyone* "Carry Papers". Strikes me as too stereotypically Nazi to even consider as an option -- but ok, let's say the Cop can PROVE the person's an illegal, then they drive him over to the DHS holding tank, and the next day, they're on the bus to Tijuana.

That'd be great. Don't get into trouble and you won't be hassled. I can live with that. Burden of Proof for Illegal Status is on the arresting officer, I can deal with that...

But, man, how does Progressive Auto make a buck? And, you know, The State Treasury could use that money.

And again, what's the harm? The ONLY purpose registration and licensing serve is to simplify Insurance Quotes and Claims.

Why are you hating the poor Insurance Companies?

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:10:59 PM

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Show me a candidate with straight answers about immigration and I'll show you a candidate who isn't going to be elected.

Sad.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:21:54 PM

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I guess this means that Cyberdude, is in favor of un-licensed drivers on our roads.

No, just when a cop pulls them over and they dont have a license....arrest them and deport them.

Pretty simple.

Not so simple,or it would be happening now.

First off,it`s the feds responsibility to deal with this.Any one state ,doesn`t have the money,man-power,or resources to deal with the hundreds of thousands/millions of people coming in.

Grabbing them up,one at a time as they get pulled over,is a little simplistic,hardly realistic and not an answer.That won`t put a dent in the problem.They`re coming by the hundreds of thousands/millions.Keeping them from getting here, in the 1st place will put a dent in the problem.The feds/bush fucking up,and then putting it all on the states,is wrong and dishonest.

I still haven`t heard a conservative explain why Rudy never turned in illegals,when he was mayor.

It`s a question, that is pertinent to this thread.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:24:38 PM

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Actually, I think deporting felons ASAP would have a really good effect.

The felons get deported.

The honest illegals keep their noses clean. I know, to some, "Honest Illegal" is an oxymoron, but you know, The Law doesn't necessarily == Moral...

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:26:13 PM

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Owner, good question, I'd like to hear the answer to that too.

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RE: Can Hillary give a straight answer on immigration? - 11/1/2007 7:33:47 PM

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Owner, I'm not in favor of unliscensed drivers on the road.
And I'm not in favor of any illegals even being in the country.
And, there are a whole bunch of people in N.Y. of all flavors who are against Prince Eliot.
He better be careful or they'll have a *recall election* on his ass.

All true Popeye.

But they`re here,and driving,so Spitzer want`s to do something about unlicensed drivers in NY.That`s his focus and charge,the people in ~his~ state,.. NY state.

That creates a conflict,paradox,irony and cluster fuck,all in one.All true.

It`s not politically correct,or a political winner.There`s no political up-side for the Governor.He`s making a hard choice,after being given some bad choices.

Don`t blame Spitzer.

Playing "gotcha" politics, is not going to help.Letting the wound fester and doing nothing,(while bush plays his fiddle)is not an answer either.

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