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Kalista07 -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/17/2007 10:41:56 AM)

For me, here's my reality.... He is allergice to cat hair, although he loves cats...i do have one cat...At the start of the relationship i made a decision if it came down to Him or the cat it'd have to be Him....Please don't get me wrong i love my cat, he rocks...(dont tell the cat i said that though).... However He apparently has different ideas about it..In fact, recently when i moved i emailed Him and told Him i was going to have to get rid of Ricky and He called me and said He didn't think that was such a good idea, and that we'd work something out...He recognizes what an important part of my life Ricky has become...i would never ask Him to subject Himself to taking allergy medication.....However, i do know that this (like so many others) is not my call to make..
Kali




Maya2001 -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/17/2007 12:13:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

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Any person who would ask a pet guardian to dump their animal friends for them is either (a) a prick/loser/evil person or (b) evil .


Wow there is such hate for people who can't coexist with animals. 
Animals have this stuff called dander.  It is not hair, shaving their hair won't rid you of it.  It is skin flakes, they are airborne.  There is a segment of the population who are allergic, there is a segment of the population who have this as an asthma trigger.  Trust, me, if it's a decision between me breathing and you and your animal.  You are gonna lose.  I like to breathe, I'm funny like that.  Surprisingly I am not a or b



No it is not about hate for people, if dom  does not want pets or is allergic to, he/she should have enough brains  and common sense not to get involve with a sub that has,  To get involved knowing you do not want  and then order them to get rid of once collared   is totally disrepectful  as well as dishonest, they should have been upfront from the beginning in saying  they  do not like cats. dogs whatever, and if  you become collared to me I would expect you to get rid of,  it allows me then  to choose as to whether I want to continue involvement.......  by hiding the fact reeks of total dishonesty as a result I would have no respect for a dom that would do that to me.  Heck I have had doms tells me they are allergic to dogs( I have 4) I respect them thank them for their honesty and wish them well in their continued search and am glad they did  not try to hide that fact and allow me to become emotionally attached to them first and them  pull the "it's me or them" crap on me, what kind of trust or respect would I have for someone that intentionally hurts me in that way?




SilentTigresss -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/21/2007 9:42:31 PM)

Did you want these pets when you got them? As a animal lover, that is one of the first things i mention; that i have 3 dogs and 2 cats. Although my dogs are up there in age- 13, 13, and 12, i can not imagine getting rid of them for a man, quite frankly. But, let me say this now- to each their own. !  i do know that when i do invite someone over, they always tend to like my pets.
In any event, i have said my peace.




LoveAndDS -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/22/2007 9:39:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mellissande

If Collared, This sub has Animals. And would like to know what Other Doms think about whether she should give up the Animals she loves for the Master She loves to serve?


Does the Dom not like animals or is he just being a dick about you enjoying yourself as much as he will be?




MzMia -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/24/2007 8:13:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rover

A submissive should do whatever they have consensually agreed upon.
 
John


As usual I am agreeing with John.
What you will and will not "give up" should be discussed before you
get seriously involved with anyone.




juliaoceania -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/24/2007 9:47:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: erebus

Any person who would ask a pet guardian to dump their animal friends for them is either (a) a prick/loser/evil person or (b) evil .

Agreeing to let an animal into one's life is a life-long decision.  It cannot be changed for any reason.  If the animal guardian is terminally ill or the like, then it is his/her responsibility to make sure the animal is taken care of.

If ANYONE asked to me get rid of my animal, I'd slam the door in their face so hard it would leave a permanent impression. 

We have an obligation to help the vulnerable and the dependent among us, and that includes people and animals. 

DUMP THIS TURKERY AS FAST AS YOU CAN!  He is worthless.



I agree this is an ideal that people should shoot for, not allowing an animal that they are responsible for to go without a home.. meaning not turn the animal into the pound even if they have a terminal illness. On the other hand, animals are not more important than people to me, whenever the decision between an animal and a person comes up, the person comes first for me every single time.

I have a stray cat, it lives outside, my son is EXTREMELY allegeric, and my loyalty is to him, not the cat. I am moving to go to graduate school, whether I live with my Daddy eventually or live in graduate school housing, the cat cannot come with me. I am giving the cat to my sister as a result of this... I feel completely at ease with this decision.

There is no question in my mind that if I fell in love with someone and they had legitimate reasons why a pet could not live with us, I would get rid of the pet. Like I said, I like animals, but people have always been more important to me.

I also prefer wild animals to domesticated ones. I love watching wild animals existing and doing what they do independent of me. I have no drive to "own" a pet.

Paradoxically animals tend to trust me and like me because I let them alone until they decide that I am ok. And my Daddy is the one that wants the pets one day. I would prefer to be unencumbered by animals as they tend to put a damper on travel and being spontaneous... even more so than UMs do, at least UMs grow up.




KnOcala -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 3:44:39 AM)

I agree with the first response.  That should have been an issue before any type of commitment.  There are many reasons someone might object to a household of pets. 




Maya2001 -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 8:01:50 AM)

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Paradoxically animals tend to trust me and like me because I let them alone until they decide that I am ok. And my Daddy is the one that wants the pets one day. I would prefer to be unencumbered by animals as they tend to put a damper on travel and being spontaneous... even more so than UMs do, at least UMs grow up.


I understand what you are saying Julia and being you feel that way it then makes it responsible of you not to own animals as you see them as inconviences and  because of your son ,  but it is not really the question,   you know now that your Daddy likes animals and wants to have one as part of his life some day......are you going to in the future force him to choose between you  and the pet he wants or if he decides to get.... tell him to get rid of , because you feel it is inconvenient for you????

I have one dog here that I adopted  at 18 months old, normally a dog like her who have been euthanized because she has a extreme phobia of people there most would deem her as unadoptable, I found her in Florida and had her transported to Ontario 5 years ago,  it took 2 years before she could trust me to walk up and touch her, she is still not 100% 5 year later, the thing I knew when I got her that adopting her would mean sacrifices on my part and I weighed them heavily before making her part of my life, the 2 big ones was that I may not be able to take a vacation  because she was not able to handle sitters or boarding kennels the other was that I may not be able to have a 24/7 relationship with someone unless she could over come her phobias, her behaviour was not close to  a wild animal would say avoids people this was dog that if she spotted or heard a person 50 yards away would go into blind terror to the point of putting herself in danger with the overriding need to flee and has experienced stress related malignant hypothermia on a couple of occasions which has mean ice water baths to save her life because she panicked so badly that cored body temperature rose to the point where death can occur. 

When  I adopted her I accepted whatever responsibilities/sacrifices came along with owing her  for her lifetime not for what is convenient for me,  I have invested a lot of time into her  including medical testing to see if her behaviour was due to medical problems, I already some knowledge on dog to dog communications but studied more into to find ways that I could communicate with her at her level of submissive since she was better to relate to puppies than an adult dog as she is an omega so feels threatened by adult dogs and I knew the only way to try and reach was if she stopped viewing me as human.  And from there I was able to start working with her, 5 years later I am able to now take short vacations, with my son coming over and simply letting her in and out and making sure she has food and water available, this is a huge step for a dog that was so terrified when he would come over that I had to spend hours trying to catch her in the yard because she was so terrified just thinking he might still be in the house long after he left, ocassionally now she will warily come out of hiding to warily stare at visitors while hiding around a corner again a huge improvement from the dog that if I turned on a radio and heard voices coming from would have extreme panic attacks, the number of sacrifices I made for her are slowing being chipped away at, if I ever tried giving her away all trust  that she has learned would be shattered and she would revert back to the dog she was.

I have seen more than my share of animals that people have decided to get rid of  doing animal rescue and know the hell the emotional hell these animals go through and what is does to their ability to trust for them it is much the same as we go thru when a close family member dies.   some bounce back fairly quickly but many will spend monthly being listless barely eating and grieving the loss of their former caretakers quite a few them will develop behavioural problems after because they become afraid to trust again , which usually results in them getting bounced from home to home and often that result in then eventually being eusthanized, most people that abandon an animal never follow up to learn to the  after effects that the abandonment has caused to the animal.


most of my animal  over the years has been secondhand pets but between the years of taking them in and helping in rescue but I found watchiing the confusion and pain they go thru and often the permanment damage that result  has become more difficult to take and makes me too angry at the heartlessness, so instead I have been taking in track dogs who have never known what it is like to be a pet or getting my dogs from responsible breeders instead, but will consider adopting animals who come into foster care because owners died or become too ill to care for their animals  but no longer will I take on animals from selfish or  irresponsible owners just maybe if enough other people refused  there would be no place these owners would have to so easily dump their animals and they would have to learn to take responsibility for them instead of expecting others to look after their responsibilities.  Over 5 million companion animals are euthanized in shelters yearly in the US, because people never considered  that they have a responsibility for the animals they bring into their lives, this does not include the millions sitting in shelters or rescues waiting for a home.  Animals have become a disposal  commodity  much like a toy that can be tossed when one gets bored or when you feel it become inconvenient waste of space without consideration that animals  are living breathing  mammals and like people have emotions and are capable of love, they deserve better.
Alot of cities in the US have so many unwanted animals they mass eunthanize  in gas chambers, there was a video on you tube that showed and it was absolutely horrible to watch. go to youtube type in  dog kill box and view the first video from a NC shelter, it may have you in tears,   many of the unwanted animals shelter get with be sold for vivisection(believe me you do not want to look at those videos if you care anything for animals) and research labs another horror most people are not aware of, which is how many shelter manage to remain operational, the government does require those numbers sold to be accounted for  Most people give their pets to someone and assume that the pet will be taken care of life long  but rarely is that the case, most of those animals will find their ways into kill shelters.

It is for this reason this post sickens me, especially when I read the number of responses that say they would willing give away if ordered   just to have someone, who potentially may not be in their lives 2 years later .....what happens then?     do they go out and get more animals and repeat the same over again for the next person that walks into their lives.     I would much rather keep my animals and wait to  find the right someone willing to accept them instead and if they value my pets lives and appreciate my responsibility for them,  they are far more likely to respect and care for me  more  as well therefore  I am bound to have a far better relationship in the end by refusing to accept someone that would force me to get rid of my animals






juliaoceania -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 8:37:00 AM)

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re you going to in the future force him to choose between you and the pet he wants or if he decides to get.... tell him to get rid of , because you feel it is inconvenient for you????


I am allergic to cats, he knows this. and my son can't breathe around them. I value my son's health, so I would not consider a dom that had cats indoors. It is not a matter of "convenience".

I have owned a dog before, that dog was my heart. My mom gave her away after my father passed away because the only place we could afford to live was an apartment. Typing this brings tears to my eyes because i was so attached to this dog, but people are more valuable than animals to me. My mom had to do what she had to do.. no one knew we would lose everything when we adopted this dog as a puppy.

I would not expect my Daddy not to get a dog because of the inconvenience to me. I would not get one if it was an issue for him. I have no health issues with doggie dander in my family. I have no drive to get a dog because my life is not conducive to dog ownership. I have to travel and move around over the next few years... my career will demand I travel a lot.. dogs cannot travel easily, especially internationally... so perhaps inconvenient is the wrong word... my life is not practical for a dog. My Daddy can do what he wants with his life. It is not like I hate dogs. But if he gets a dog, it is not my problem what he does with it when I am working in another country and he wants to tag along[;)]

My cat was almost dead when she wandered up to my door, she had lost a litter. She would have been destroyed had we taken her to the pound. She could not even walk. I started feeding her, then I fixed her, and she is very attached to us. I saved her life. She loves all of us, and even brings me rats she catches. I did not seek this cat, she found me. She has lived here for 5 years, and I do not know how old she is. I never wanted a cat, now my sister's house is very pet friendly, and my sister has a zoo with the variety of animals she has. The cat will be happy there, and if not, I never chose to make that commitment to her. I gave her many more years than she would have had otherwise, and I feel no guilt in giving her to a home that will accept her the way she is.

For you, pets are very important, for me people are moreso... we each have what we value, and should choose others that value the same things we do.


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It is for this reason this post sickens me, especially when I read the number of responses that say they would willing give away if ordered   just to have someone, who potentially may not be in their lives 2 years later .....what happens then?     do they go out and get more animals and repeat the same over again for the next person that walks into their lives.     I would much rather keep my animals and wait to  find the right someone willing to accept them instead and if they value my pets lives and appreciate my responsibility for them,  they are far more likely to respect and care for me  more  as well therefore  I am bound to have a far better relationship in the end by refusing to accept someone that would force me to get rid of my animals


I have not lived with a man in 16 years, so you do not know the stories of everyone posting here, nor the ease with which they make such statements. I do not live with men and break up with them at the drop of a hat. I live with a man, he is my family and my number one commitment outside of my son.. period, end of story, and no animal could compete with that commitment on my part. I do not take commitment lightly. I am not a shackup. And I certainly would not want to make that commitment to someone that felt pets were more important than me...makes me evil. or bad or wrong... well I can live with that.




KatyLied -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 8:39:01 AM)

I think perhaps she's not getting the difference between "inconvenient" and "allergic"/"asthma attack triggering".  




juliaoceania -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 8:45:42 AM)

Well, I understand her passion and all. I get very passionate about certain things, like UMs going without food and being neglected and abused. We all have our "pet" peeves (corny pun).

Seriously, Sinergy and I have had the talk about UM adoption and pet adoption... this may happen if we ever buy a home. I have voiced my reservations in regard to the pet thing because I know what a pain in the ass it is to find places to rent with animals. I also know that it would be unfair to an animal if I was constantly travelling for months at a time to other countries.. the poor thing would spend all of its life in quarantine... now if Sinergy does not mind remaining at home with the doggie, well fine by me. I would like my mate to come see me sometimes though.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 9:02:58 AM)

I'm not a Master, but I'd say hell no cause I commited to my animal and his  protection and health and well being, and to just dump the animal cause the man I chose don't want me to keep my animal, didn't like my animal or was some how adversely affected by my animal.
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ORIGINAL: Mellissande

If Collared, This sub has Animals. And would like to know what Other Doms think about whether she should give up the Animals she loves for the Master She loves to serve?




juliaoceania -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 9:08:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I think perhaps she's not getting the difference between "inconvenient" and "allergic"/"asthma attack triggering".  


I  wanted to add something here, there are morons who get pets without considering the impact on their lives or how that animal will fit into their life. Then there are others who have things that they never planned for happen to them, such as having an asthmatic UM, losing their home or job, getting a job that requires they spend oodles of time away from home, a divorce that requires they move into an apartment with a large animal that would be miserable in one.. etc etc etc... I cannot judge everyone that has had to make a decision to put a pet up for adoption because of circumstances beyond their control...

Perhaps a master might order their sub to get rid of the animal because the animal is unhappy in its circumstance, perhaps the sub does not know how to care for the animal, perhaps she cannot afford the animal, perhaps the animal has medical needs that outstrip the family's ability to pay for it. There could be a 100 valid reasons that a master would order this, and I am not prepared to say that every reason is necessarily a selfish one.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 9:16:37 AM)

To no one in particular...If I desired her to do so then yes she would sacrifice all for me however after all theses years I haven't ask a slave/sub to give up her profession,her pets or even her children smile..It would be very selfish of me to do so and  I find it makes for a more happy and loving person under your roof...bounty




chathamvahere -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 9:19:54 AM)

We have never asked a sub to give up her passion, it is what defines her, and we try to make our sub/slave a very happy and content person, makes for a happy household:)




lronitulstahp -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 9:38:12 AM)

A bit confused...is there an actual Master in view, or are you speaking hypothetically? 




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 9:52:34 AM)

And I certaintly wouldn't want a long term relationship with someone who hated or disliked what I loved and was important to me* animals*

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ORIGINAL: JasonF



You should rate your priorities. I certainly wouldn't want a long-term relationship with someone who valued animals over the relationship.




ligar59 -> RE: Should a Sub have to give up her loves? (12/25/2007 12:11:10 PM)

If these animals gave my sub so much joy, I would have no problem in letting her keep them provided we had the ability




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