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What's Wrong With This Story? - 11/1/2007 11:24:30 AM

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"She said she was pleased with the jury's decision, especially given the lack of specific evidence about what happened on the boat."http://www.courttv.com/trials/speer/103107_ctv.html From what I understand, Scott Speer was found guilty & sentenced to 4 years because he was out boating on a moonless night after drinking 1 beer. Something unknown happened and his best friend fell overboard which resulted in his death. He was found guilty of aggravated vehicular homicide and involuntary manslaughter. Was he given this [to me] overly harsh sentence because of his previous record? Is this some kind of moral code being meted out as justice? Or does he totally deserve it? When I read the article I just felt like something was very wrong with the story. Like a step over the line but.. I am not sure how to define the line. Thoughts?

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RE: What's Wrong With This Story? - 11/1/2007 11:40:31 AM

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Not uncommon... I met a fellow who woke up from a night of drinking, to find himself in a wrecked car, and his friend dead...he was charged with causing the death, even though neither of them were in the driver's seat after the wreck, and he couldn't remember driving.

Since he had 2 priors ( for a fight when he was young, and a 'wait here while we run into this store' a few years later), guess what?

3 strikes, mandatory life. Overall, a decent hard working family guy, with crappy luck when it came to going out for a few with the boys.

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RE: What's Wrong With This Story? - 11/1/2007 11:45:24 AM

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Wow my best friends brother just went missing in the Gulf...same type situation fell overboard..of course the only one left on the boat was the Capt and the Capt gf so no one is saying drugs/alcohol were involved but in any event the Capt wasnt found guilty of anything...but my friends brother does have a history of alcohol abuse and would be more than likely all of them were drinking and since the stories given seem to be all "poppycock" I wouldnt doubt if foul play had been involved....but Im not sure on it being common or not the sentence that guy recieved seems pretty harsh considering he wasnt behind the wheel...

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RE: What's Wrong With This Story? - 11/1/2007 11:48:02 AM

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The press often misses the boat (pun intended) when reporting trial stories of things that were very important to the eventual verdict. From this rendition, I agree that it's a bit sketchy why he was convicted. The prosecution presented two possible very different scenarios....dunno seems like reasonable doubt to me, then again...it's the press and I have found they don't get things right often.

Sentencing however, is very much based on a person's life and issues and attempts or lacktherof to get help in the past and present.

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RE: What's Wrong With This Story? - 11/1/2007 4:57:51 PM

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One of the two scenarios presented by the prosecution, was that he drove the baot recklessly. The jury must have believed this and not the evidence given by the defendant. Surely this is why we are tried by 12 peers ?

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RE: What's Wrong With This Story? - 11/1/2007 5:08:40 PM

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Maybe the judge is just a horses ass.

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RE: What's Wrong With This Story? - 11/1/2007 10:02:56 PM

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IM, convicted by jury. Juries need to be told that they hold the key to throwing out trumped up charges. They are not. This jury maybe should have acquitted, but they did not.

Now let me get this straight ( this was years ago, I am not sure about now), if you were being tried for rape the prosecutor wasn't allowed to bring up any other rape charges from the past.

So does past guilt prove present guilt ? How about we bring out a picture of the "victim" at his finest moment ? Get the jury to cry, like they do in other cases. Because they were good lookig and sharp, their lives might've gone somewhere, and that somehow changes the fact whether the defendent is guilty ? If you are ugly and a real asshole, how much less is your life worth ?

Like freedom, justice iis an illusion. Even if everone was extremely involved and adamant about the truth, justice is still an illusion. It is impossible unless someone can be omnipotent. And forget God, your God wants to forgive everybody, I want my money back, I want this bullet out of my neck and I want my dead friends back, well some of them.

So they lock you up and you are finally "forgiven" by the parole board. What a crock of shit. They threaten you with more time in jail if you fight the case, is this not coersion? This is mentioned in the USC, and I bevlieve that government officials might actually be able to be charged for this (plea barganing). But if you work for the government, you are subject to everything from the USC all the way down to the IRS code. Hands down.

You cn be charged with conspiracy by any US Citizen. Like the Citizens of France made Rummy get the fuck out. Everybody can try to shoot that story down, but I don't think it was made up, and even if it was, why ?

See that is the crux of the matter. What you decide to tell,. make up or embellish, it came from somewhere.

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