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BondageMstr -> RE: sending money (2/26/2004 4:17:14 AM)

When a would be slave says they ned money to get here, which HAS happened to me a few times, I close them down totally. First of all they are usually very cute, sexy and young so you never really know if that is there REAL picture until you have already paid for them to get her and by that time it is way too late. You also have to understand that a lot of people DO want to come here and want US to sponser them. Once they are here they can tell you to take a walk and you can't very well go to the state dept and say you brought her here to be a slave, now can you?
Ant then there ARE those who are scam artists and collect a lot of money from men who want to actually WANT to believe that a sexy, thin, cute 18 yr old actually wants THEM for thier good looks and disposition.
IF they are serious then they will find the money and if you do want to take a chance just tell them to borrow it AND when they get here and you still want them then you will pay their debts off in full within ONE -THREE MONTHs of service to you. If they ARE honest they will comply with that.



Voltare -> RE: sending money (2/28/2004 2:47:01 PM)

To boot, are you really that desperate for a slave? Far be it for me to sound judgemental of other's kinks, but when you start discarding the depth of interaction between two adults, reducing it to keeping a human full time the way someone might keep a Llama? What do you really think you'll have in common with an 18 year old homeless girl from Thailand? And what will you do with her in a few years when she's 21, still doesn't speak english (save for what you've taught her over the occasional whipping session) and you're bored of your new toy? The fine line between consenting adults, and literal, illegal bondage is pretty clear. If you take a girl in from Ethiopia, keep her locked in your basement, hold her passport and visa papers in a safe - and you're found out - expect a full role reversal, paid for by the US Federal Government. It might only be a few years for her, but it's ten to twenty years for you.

Stephan



MistressDREAD -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (3/5/2004 2:42:19 AM)

lol If You seen My Village Jerry You would understand.
Getting the village here from there tho has been a
nightmare thanks to 911. And with Me here now and
them there even worse, with the back and forthhh
and the USA BDSM scenes are so much different
and stuffie then those of other countrys.
~giggles~

DREAD.com



myrmidon -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (3/6/2004 8:36:23 AM)

This is a very interesting thread. It makes me wonder how many of you have slaves from other cultures, particularly developing world countries? I would be curious to see how the idea of voluntary servitude has been translated to those who reside where poverty guarantees you a life of virtual slavery, and the roly poly US citizen must seem to dwell on the right hand of God.

In the Caribbean, many people live in shacks and shanty towns which can be bulldozed at a moments notice. Literacy levels are high, however, and so folk have an understanding of the mindset of Westerners and by and large can work interaction with them to fair conclusions. Sex tourism is a two-way street.

In less 'cosmoplitan' areas, there are fewer such excuses or grey areas. You are talking about straightforward colonial exploitation. Hey, if thats your thing, go for it but I thought this scene was all about consent. Not lording it over the "little people".

What chafes is that the only argument against posited so far is, "Careful, you'll get yourself a jail term." LOL

fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on you.



sub4hire -> RE: sending money (3/6/2004 8:41:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BondageMstr

IF they are serious then they will find the money and if you do want to take a chance just tell them to borrow it AND when they get here and you still want them then you will pay their debts off in full within ONE -THREE MONTHs of service to you. If they ARE honest they will comply with that.



You mean I could come to you for a mere three months and leave debt free? Hmm...what an idea. Maybe I should ask my Dom for a 3 month sebatical. Hehehehhee.
If I were Dominant I'd make people responsible for their own actions. Whether good or bad.
I know from talking to male subs. Alot of female Dominants want to be taken care of.
Male Doms don't want that. They are still what we used to call men back in the 1800's.
If a female wants that title, then why does she need to be taken care of as well?
Is it a double standard?

Not to get off track...but my mind wanders at times.



myrmidon -> RE: sending money (3/6/2004 10:03:22 AM)

Far be it from me to stop your mind from wandering - I have my best ideas when that happens to me. But I still think this is going somewhere interesting and I hope people are game.


Fool me once yada yada yada



EStrict -> RE: sending money (3/6/2004 4:32:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

I know from talking to male subs. Alot of female Dominants want to be taken care of.
Male Doms don't want that. They are still what we used to call men back in the 1800's.
If a female wants that title, then why does she need to be taken care of as well?
Is it a double standard?

Not to get off track...but my mind wanders at times.


Hey Gloria.

Guess it's back to semantics. If by *taken care of* you mean a male dominant doesn't want the submissive to pay all the bills, that he prefers to be the *household bread winner*, I agree. But, going like that, it could be argued that most dominants prefer the man to be the bread winner. Where I see the difference is in what is expected of the female.

I see a female submissive or slave *taking care* of her dominant just in her every day acts to please. I know in my own home I expected to do about 90% of the *household* things. Still, there are things that Master considers the *man's* responsibility, and those things he does.

::laughing:: many female dominants call themselves *diva's* or *goddess'*, is it not totally understandable that they would not only expect the male to *provide* for them, but to *pamper* them also?

Sandy



iwillserveu -> RE: sending money (3/6/2004 5:33:25 PM)

sub4hire,

The male subs want to "take care of her" like a man in the 1800's. (You hear my submissive John Wayne analogy yet?:)) If I suffer from the injuns for my little woman or if the little woman helps me suffer because there are no more injuns is the same to me. Supporting her helps my "John Wayne"-liness.)

Yeah it is off track, but not derailed.[:)]


(Just curious, did you know I'd be here to defend FD/ms from the ms perspective?[:)])



iwillserveu -> RE: sending money (3/6/2004 5:45:36 PM)

Sandy,

What amazes me is more women would not want to be treated like a goddess. Seriously if hypothetically some guy wanted to do all the household chores and pay all the bills, wouldn't you let him? (Heck, I would.[8D])

Now add to that you have to tie him up and spank him. Not as appealing anymore, right? (Heck, I'd tie him up and beat his ass soundly.[8D])

Heck, good Catholic women would file for divorce before taking that deal.[8D]



SherriA -> RE: sending money (3/6/2004 9:26:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: iwillserveu

What amazes me is more women would not want to be treated like a goddess.


Not me. I don't wanna be a goddess. I like being a princess - all the adoration, none of the responsibilities. Yep, that works for me! When I grow up, I'm going to be a pampered princess. :)

-- Sherri



iwillserveu -> RE: sending money (3/7/2004 1:55:47 AM)

SherriA,

Lol. I was going to ask if you meant a pampered queen, but that implies responsibility and male cross dressing.[:)]



sub4hire -> RE: sending money (3/7/2004 8:18:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EStrict

Guess it's back to semantics. If by *taken care of* you mean a male dominant doesn't want the submissive to pay all the bills, that he prefers to be the *household bread winner*, I agree. But, going like that, it could be argued that most dominants prefer the man to be the bread winner. Where I see the difference is in what is expected of the female.

I see a female submissive or slave *taking care* of her dominant just in her every day acts to please. I know in my own home I expected to do about 90% of the *household* things. Still, there are things that Master considers the *man's* responsibility, and those things he does.

::laughing:: many female dominants call themselves *diva's* or *goddess'*, is it not totally understandable that they would not only expect the male to *provide* for them, but to *pamper* them also?

Sandy


Sandy.
As you probably already know I totally agree with you. It is the same in our household. I do most everything. He does the lawn. If I have the energy I even help out there.
Only difference is I work a hmm about 60 hour week outside the home as well. I bring in more money than my Dom does. Does'nt make any difference to me who does.
To me its us. Who we are. It works for us. I have that big strong man to take care of me.

I agree most Fem Doms want it all. It appears at least the ones I have met. They really want to give nothing in return. Of course...that is only the ones I have met.
Although male subs seem to be a whole different breed than female subs as well.



1angel -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (3/13/2004 7:25:42 PM)

i realize that i am new here, but one who has sitting at the table,so to speak,of what the Master asked.

i was taken for fifteen thousand dollars. yes, i know, even as i look at the amount, i still can not believe it,even after two years of picking up my life. i was taken by One, through a slow and careful process of luring me in. He knew from the start how and what to say. i never saw it coming, didn't dare question.
my story is long and time consuming and i am sorry to say not one with a happy ending. The reason for this post.... because P/people can say or be anything T/they want. Trust Y/your gut..ask..question.
If T/they take offense..oh well. It is better for T/them to be offened for a while,then to end up like i did.

*slips quietly back into the corner of the room to listen*



Estring -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (3/13/2004 7:44:16 PM)

Wow! That was an expensive lesson 1angel. Very sorry to hear that. But you are right to say to trust your gut. I just got out of a situation that seemed good at first, but quickly changed. It only cost me a couple of weeks though. Good luck to you.



proudsub -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (3/13/2004 11:00:34 PM)

quote:

i was taken for fifteen thousand dollars. yes, i know, even as i look at the amount, i still can not believe it,even after two years of picking up my life. i was taken by One, through a slow and careful process of luring me in.


If you care to share 1angel i would love to hear more.
proudsub



1angel -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (3/16/2004 5:55:49 PM)

quote:

If you care to share 1angel i would love to hear more.
proudsub



Thank you.
After giving it much thought, letting the knot in my stomach go along with the shame and embrassment, i have decided to share my story. i know that there are S/some who don't want to read about it, or even care to know that these things happen. But honestly, if it keeps O/one person from going through what i did.. it will be worth sharing my story. i think i will begin a new thread, i suppose that would be the place to start.again, thank you for asking.
1angel.



1angel -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (3/16/2004 7:42:13 PM)

Thank You for Your well wishes.. i do appreciate it.
Please excuse me for being slow to respond, i have been having problems with my computer.

Again, Thank You. ~s~



1angel -> RE: sending money (Sandy) (3/16/2004 8:36:45 PM)

~slipping in once more~

i posted in "Ask a slave" if you are still interested ~s~

be well, be safe.
1angel



MistressDREAD -> RE: sending money (12/24/2004 9:38:23 PM)

[;)]



DarkQuin -> RE: sending money (1/26/2005 12:18:08 AM)

Sending money to would be slaves in third world countries? Hmmm....why not just donate it to a local charity instead of being scammed?

First off, there are plenty of submissives and slaves of both genders in the metropolitan areas of most countries, so having to import them isnt necessary. I agree that the pickings are slim in boondock, USA, but that's part of living where choices are slim.

I'd suggest to anybody who is looking abroad for a slave, first question your motives for such and then ask yourself when was the last munch that you attended was. Finding a submissive in your own backyard is not only less costly, but you can personally check their references and if they are not what they seem, you just got to get them out your front door.

The internet has opened up a lot of channels for communication and I mean no disrespect to the relationships that have formed because of it, but it has also opened up a lot of avenues for scammers and professional victims.

If somebody is serious about wanting to be with you, then they will find a way to do so, if not then you dont want them in the first place.


Quin



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