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questionevery -> MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 5:46:11 PM)

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Doms hold submisives in contempt? Is love=hate? Emotional cruelty is not equal to caring. Punishment for a misdeed is one thing. This lifestyle seems like an excuse for meanspirited people to toy with someone else's spirit. Submissive is not = broken spirit or willing victim.

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FangsNfeet -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 6:01:07 PM)

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Submissive is not = broken spirit or willing victim.


I don't care much for breaking people but the only subs that I've had have all been willing participants. I"m a very honest person explaining who I am and what I want. The rules are already set into play before the sub walks in the door. Submissives wanting to be treated along those guildlines come to me first and in some cases have asked for more. I don't think it's nice of you to presume ever submissives wishes. And since you have told us what submissive isn't, I'd like to know what you think submissive is?

And NO! this life style is not an excuse for me to be mean spirited to people. That's what my job in the medical field is for. As always, I do bad things in the name of good.

FYI: With statements telling such oppinons and mockery, it would be nice to see you be tough enough to have your own profile for everyone to see and send personal messages to. If you can't take the heat, the get out of our kitchen. [:@]




ToBDesired -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 6:21:46 PM)

I have to say I agree with you FangsNFeet. As a sub I'm constantly learning how what i think i know gets me into trouble and keeps me from growing and developing.



perfection20005 -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 7:03:50 PM)

Why are you even on here if you don't understand the lifestyle. Some people do use this as a cover, but most are on here to learn or find someone to be with. I'm also with FangsNfeet on this, too scared to show who you really are.



mistoferin -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 7:40:13 PM)

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Doms hold submisives in contempt? Is love=hate? Emotional cruelty is not equal to caring. Punishment for a misdeed is one thing. This lifestyle seems like an excuse for meanspirited people to toy with someone else's spirit. Submissive is not = broken spirit or willing victim.


Not sure exactly where you got all those misconceptions.....but they ARE misconceptions.



dominmd -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 7:49:34 PM)

Oh great Spirit in the Sky, give us the power to ignore such feeblemindedness.

I hold no sub in contempt bub. Subs are in a relationship because they want to be, if not they would not be here. So before casting Doms down as cruel, meanspirited towards subs, I think ya need to look through the forums a lot. I personally take offense to your statements as I am not this type of person.



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 8:19:42 PM)

Some people certainly do USE bdsm like that...but then people will use anything they can to justify what they do.

And trust me, plenty of subs and doms are exactly broken spirits and willing victims.



BittersweetLila -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 9:38:08 PM)

I'm not sure where you are coming from or what your experiences are, but maybe you don't really enjoy a BDSM way of loving? You got one thing right in my opinon --- the mind is where fucking begins (can I use that word?) I want to be mind fucked. It's all about control for me. Anyone could control my body, but it takes a true Master to be able to control/fuck my mind.
About the contempt -- that turns some of us on. Not everything is for everybody. There are wounded souls everywhere, not just in this community.

Lila



questionevery -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 9:56:56 PM)

Thanks EmeraldSlave2 for admitting that. I don't know why some people fail to accept that some people use bdsm like that. To all nasty replies why in the heck would I subject myself to ill treatment outside of a loving/caring relationship. A forum is a forum--a place for expression, discussion, and in this case to vent regarding the behaviour of some.

peace 2 those who deserve it



domm4subf1970 -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 11:32:15 PM)

People will use anything, one reason why you have to always be on your toes.



luvdragonx -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/3/2005 11:42:25 PM)

I don't believe the basis of a D/s relationship is contempt for the submissive, but yes, some people do use D/s, M/s and BDSM to live out their contemptuous fantasies. Does love equal hate? I don't think so. I think it's more of an isoceles (sp?) triangle, where love and hate are at one end and indifference are at the opposite point. To love or hate someone implies that you give a shit one way or the other. Indifference means you don't.



FangsNfeet -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/4/2005 1:57:47 AM)

Ladies and Gentlemen

Back in college a few friends of mine thought it would be cute to enter web chats for the sheer fun of pissing people off.
An example would be to go to the local pagan chat and enter the message "Jesus LOVES you" and then log out. We can then enter christain chats to say "God Sucks, He dosn't even fucking exist" and log out. You can do the same thing with political parties as well or make fun of homosexuals in there chat lines. We could stir up all sorts of madness by just talking stupid online to people taking online issues a little to serious.

I belive this to be the same mind set of questionevery. A person who just wants to shake things up a bit and possibly mock us just to piss us off.

"Dunt Dunt Dunt, another one joins the BLOCK!"



junkyard -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/4/2005 2:29:47 AM)

I think FangsNfeet means that the original poster is a troll: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

For my part, I will now quote the best signature I saw last week:

"My god carries a hammer, your god died nailed to a cross, any questions?"



CaringDom -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/4/2005 7:52:15 AM)

Sadly this lifestyle does seem to attract those that are just into being abusive and cruel and in my book they don't belong here and shouldn't be allowed.

For myself personally, I don't play "mind games" it's simply cruel and abusive and in my opinion more hurtful and damaging than anything physical could hope to be. It just plain WRONG as far as I'm concerned.

For myself and my partner, I have clearly defined rules, expectations, and goals, both short and long term. It's about structure, order, focus, and discipline. What I mean by discipline is not punishment, it's more akin to a military style of discipline, not a physical thing. So there are no "mind games" played here. Everything is clearly defined with purpose and direction




plantlady64 -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/4/2005 8:07:32 AM)

Hello There,
Sounds like you are very hurt by your current situation. I'm sorry you struggle so.
quote:

Is love=hate?

My Master would never really hurt my feelings on purpose. Love = love and devotion in my life. Hate in my heart for my Master or Him hating me has no place in our relationship.
I may hate toys or things he does to me every now and then though. I am his willing victim fully. I expect him to test my limits when ever he sees fit, but he does these sensations and actions in love not anger.

Sounds like your Master is mean to you for you to think
quote:

Doms hold submisives in contempt?
. You may need to reconsider your relationship.



Kindred2Evil -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (8/4/2005 8:21:16 AM)

I think mindfucks can be a good thing *shrugs* I've done it and had it done to me before. I don't term that as abusive at all. I'm always up front about what I want and what I'm willing to do to get it. Screwing around with someones mind can be a very intense and amazing experience. My husband had a girl he played with on a regular basis, during a scene he asked me to help. Before it was all said and done, she sincerely believed she was being kidnapped and was going to die. Her fantasy not mine. When I saw she was pushing that edge of reality and play, I leaned in, put my lips to her ear and said "A mindfuck is a terrible thing to waste." When it soaked in, she just collapsed *chuckles*. Afterwards, hubby took care of her, made sure she was okay and I cuddled her. It was great!
Now if you're talking about someone just toying with another person, well that's just mean, but hey, welcome to the real world, there are mean people out there. If you're not happy with your situation, why are you still in it??
You can't judge everyone by your standards, what you may think of as mean or hateful may be someone's button to a huge turn on.
Personally, I hate that term "break" I don't want a broken toy, there's just no fun in that. Why would I break something that means so much to me? Makes no sense.
And looking back through this thread...you never did answer Fang's question...what do YOU think a submissive is?



fyreredsub -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (11/20/2005 5:11:18 AM)

i have spoken to very few dominants that seem emotionaly cruel, they dont want a broken toy. they want healthy girls.........to play games w/....lol
very few are not in the norm of course,
methinks one of those found you in your newness and took advantage of your brainspace.
that most likely wasn't a Dom but an HNG w/ too much time on his hands........

quote:

ORIGINAL: questionevery

[:'(]
Doms hold submisives in contempt? Is love=hate? Emotional cruelty is not equal to caring. Punishment for a misdeed is one thing. This lifestyle seems like an excuse for meanspirited people to toy with someone else's spirit. Submissive is not = broken spirit or willing victim.

[:@]




fyreredsub -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (11/20/2005 5:14:45 AM)

ah time for more java....i really need to start reading threads before posting,lol


quote:

ORIGINAL: junkyard

I think FangsNfeet means that the original poster is a troll: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

For my part, I will now quote the best signature I saw last week:

"My god carries a hammer, your god died nailed to a cross, any questions?"




KatyLied -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (11/20/2005 5:31:38 AM)

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Sadly this lifestyle does seem to attract those that are just into being abusive and cruel and in my book they don't belong here and shouldn't be allowed.


Argh. Again, for the record.....the lifestyle is not special and blessed. There are abusive and cruel people out in the world, in general. I'm so tired of hearing how the lifestyle is so special. It's not. It's another way of living your life, of meeting your needs.



bigdaddyjohn74 -> RE: MINDFUCK,Screwing with a submissive's mind/emotions (11/20/2005 5:39:08 AM)

i admit im new to the lifestyle but even i know that this is about emotional fulfillment every sub and dom views theyre roles differently pain and punishment are to me two seperate things .
so from a new doms perspective if you believe that your here to hurt or be meanspirited your in the wrong place in the short time ive been here i have seen more compassion and respect than anywhere on the net so i say to you get your facts straight



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