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The difference between... - 11/2/2007 9:44:04 AM   
submissfifi


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Hi,

I was just wondering what the difference is between a submissive and a slave? Apart from a slave serving a dom 24/7. What other aspects that seperate the two?

I know this sounds a lame question, but I'm just not sure which applies to me. I'm new to this, so want to make sure I'm understanding the two.

Thanks

Fi
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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 9:56:40 AM   
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oh fifi - careful - you are going to get blasted for asking that question....
Do a search for the terms and it's been asked many, many times and it usually turns out that it's a purely subjective response.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1289272/mpage_1/key_difference%252Csub%252Cslave/tm.htm#1289712

http://www.collarchat.com/m_163460/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csubmissive/tm.htm#163460

http://www.collarchat.com/m_245899/tm.htm

http://www.collarchat.com/m_66268/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csubmissive/tm.htm#66268

http://www.collarchat.com/m_497775/mpage_1/key_submissive%252Cslave/tm.htm#497977

http://www.collarchat.com/m_342405/mpage_1/key_slave%252Csub/tm.htm#342794

http://www.collarchat.com/m_515303/mpage_1/key_slave/tm.htm#515333


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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 9:59:49 AM   
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There are a million threads on this topic if you do a search.  LA might come along and give you some links, but I think she said she's busy during the day right now.

Simply put, the differences or similarities are as individual as the individuals themselves and their relationship dynamic.

Breaking it down to a sorta kinda maybe possibly generally accepted difference is that a "submissive" maintains a certain amount of control, choosing what authority the dominant will have over him/her.  Whereas the "slave" surrenders all control and authority to his/her Master/Mistress.

BUT, there are hundreds of examples of people labeled as one or the other where that definition doesn't apply, so now you're back to square one.

Basically they are labels and don't mean a whole lot outside of the established relationship.

If all else fails, ask your dominant what he/she considers you and if you're cool with it, then that's what you are.

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 10:03:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: submissfifi

Hi,

I was just wondering what the difference is between a submissive and a slave? Apart from a slave serving a dom 24/7. What other aspects that seperate the two?
Fi


I just wanted to add that there are many submissives that serve and submit 24/7 so that doesn't seperate them at all - so not sure who informed you wrongly.
 
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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 10:17:51 AM   
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Hi

Thanks for the replies. I don't know, I think from what I've read their isn't a great deal of difference between the two. Its more what you like to be called or what name is choosen for you. I don't know why I thought there was any difference. But I shall carry on reading the various threads to this question.

Thanks for replying.

Fi

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 10:23:11 AM   
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In my opinion a slave gives up control of all aspects of her life. A submissive just gives control during play.

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 10:37:33 AM   
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In my opinion a slave gives up control of all aspects of her life. A submissive just gives control during play.


If that is the case, how do you define a bottom?
 
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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 10:50:32 AM   
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fi,
A very good question.

At least you recognize there "IS" a difference. Because this lifestyle is so infinite, the usage of the term slave, means different things to different people.
That said, in the broadest of terms, submission: is the act of surrendering some or all of ones personal power to another person. It's allowing someone else to control your body and behavior within certain preset limits.
This must be a willing act on the part of the submissive or the boundaries of abuse have been crossed. The methods and levels of submission are infinite.
Each person must decide how much and how far this exchange of power will go, but the rules of "safe, sane and consensual" or R.A.C.K must always apply.

Submission is a condition of the heart and only the individual knows what is in theirs.
It cannot be demanded. It cannot be forced. It is a gift. It is your gift to one you TRUST and RESPECT.
In short, a submissive always has a "VETO" on what they will and will not do. They have safewords that will immediately stop any and all play or action.

A slave in the broadest of sense, must be defined by the two involved, because each person has a different "idea" of what a slave actually is.
To some in the slave subculture of BDSM, it is being owned and entering a TPE. (Total Power Exchange)

A relationship, sometimes described as an absolute lifestyle D/s relationship, in which no impediment to the exercise of the owner's power is accepted.  Such things as safewords, contracts, negotiated limits, and anything else which recognizes / acknowledges / formalizes limits on the owner's power is inimical to TPE. Although there is a large overlap between TPE and Internal Enslavement, the term "TPE" can be misleading in several respects and has lost much of its original meaning.

SLAVE: a person who is owned: That is, someone in a relationship with a Dominant they consider to be their Owner, who has the ultimate authority over them, and from which the slave cannot remove themselves.
One of the key differences between the usage of the word "slave" in the Ownership Subculture and the BDSM Play Scene, is the concept of slaves being literal slaves: this is just the everyday definition of "slave" and it doesn't include the roleplay slaves you sometimes meet elsewhere in BDSM.

There are other things brought into play when dealing with slavery, again depending on the T/two involved. Each may interpret the usage of the term "slavery" to mean one who serves their Master/Mistress with a much deeper commitment than a submissive, but treated as a loyal, loving, counterpart, instead of an out an out slave used as property divested of any personal rights or freedoms. Simply used as property.
In the case of the former, Ongoing Voluntary Submission is used in the relationship. This being a relationship in which a submissive continually consents to obey and serve a Dominant, and their continued presence in the relationship is voluntary. {Note key words here are: continually consents, voluntary}

This is in contrast with relationships of Consensual Non Consent, which are entered with the consent of the submissive, but may subsequently involve the submissive being subject to acts which they do not want (e.g. punishments, or restraint.)

Consensual Non Consent (CNC) refers to an agreement between a Dominant and a submissive, in which some or all authority over the submissive is transferred to the Dominant, either permanently or temporarily, on the understanding that the submissive may not withdraw consent for the duration of the agreement.
CNC agreements may be anything from a short-lived BDSM scene (e.g. being in a cage for an hour irrespective of what the submissive then says) up to a life-long relationship (for example, a submissive consenting to the process of enslavement.)
A CNC agreement is the polar opposite of giving the submissive a safeword as a veto.

In the BDSM subculture, there are 9 levels of submission for a slave. As well, there are 3 very different types of submissives.
A submissive can turn into a wonderful slave for the right Dominant. It only takes the right combination of T/two. The amount of submission varies from Dominant to Dominant. What one might do with or for Me, they may not do with anyone else.
More over, their realization of this fact, opens up their mind to understand that limits and hard limits will change from Dominant to Dominant and the degree of "trust" they have in that person.

In conclusion, with the right Dominant, any sub can turn into a wonderful slave.
Simply know yourself, your needs, your desires, your abilities and capabilities.

Then try to match them up with the right Dominant.
It's not about being owned. It's about being owned by the right One.

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 11:07:25 AM   
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Wow, thats amazing. Thank you for taking the time to explain. My, thats so good I have to print it! I think I finally understand.

Fi x 

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 11:35:47 AM   
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just keep in mind that while that may work for you, it may not work for others, in fact i can tell you, it does not work for others, and it may or may not work for your Dom or any Dominants you talk to in the future that you may or may not have a relationship with...

i have had Dominants tell me that i am not a slave, never could be, and that i am not even a submissive, i have had Dominants tell me that i am a submissive, that i just can't be a slave, i have had Dominants tell me i am just a bottom, personally i think i am all three, for the right person i can grow to be a slave, that is what is in my heart...that is what i crave and desire and need...the Dominant i am talking to right now agrees....i am blessed to have found him...

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 12:54:07 PM   
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It's strange. This question comes up repeatedly. i honestly don't know why. What i do recall is that i was concerned with it when i had this need to define them so that i could have some picture in my mind and attempt to mold myself into that picture. That's fine if i intend to stay by myself. If, however, one sincerely desires to be submissive, surrendered to another, then it really doesn't matter what the difference is between a sub and slave, only what the person one is surrendered to desires.
 
Yet, this question will probably continue to pop up repeatedly because it seems until a person realizes there's no need for labels, it's a curiousity.

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 1:29:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

In my opinion a slave gives up control of all aspects of her life. A submissive just gives control during play.


If that is the case, how do you define a bottom?
 
the.dark.

 
One who engages in play on the receiving end without giving up any control.

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 1:49:22 PM   
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Nine levels. Who knew? I musta missed class that day.

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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 3:01:55 PM   
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I do understand the statement although I don't see that as a possibility.
A bottom can give up control - if they are bound or under some kind of restraint.  To suggest there is absolutely no control elements between top and bottom play would be kind of false.
 
When submitting, one is submitting - not just during play - there are countless submissive persons who are 24/7 or that submit totally and not just in play.  It just perpetuates the 'one is more commited than the other' myth.
 
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RE: The difference between... - 11/2/2007 3:38:53 PM   
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I think the best you can do with this answer is ask the people you start interacting with what the difference is for them.  Some answers will make sense to you and others will not.  The one thing to remember is to not universalize what resonates with you.

I know what the difference is for me and the relationship I am in, but someone else who considers themself a slave may not fit that description.

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RE: The difference between... - 11/3/2007 5:25:20 AM   
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i have never tried to mold myself into one category.  i am me.  i've had some say i'm a submissive i've had some tell me i'm a fake and a wannabe, i've had some say i'm a slave, i've had some tell me i'm fat or stupid or any number of things.  None of that matters to me.  i am who and what i am, i am true to my own nature.  my Master calls me "slave" and that's all that matters to me.  i call Him, Master.  Why? because that's how it feels.  *shrug*

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RE: The difference between... - 11/3/2007 3:31:54 PM   
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Take your pick Fifi, and I hope that you soon learn that there are no universal perspectives on anything here.

(Thanks Dark!)

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