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Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 10:44:56 AM   
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http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SLIA982&show_article=1

Troops Clash With Venezuelan Protesters

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Soldiers used tear gas, plastic bullets and water cannons to scatter tens of thousands who massed Thursday to protest constitutional reforms that would permit Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez to run for re-election indefinitely.

Led by university students, protesters chanted "Freedom! Freedom!" and warned that 69 amendments drafted by the Chavista-dominated National Assembly would violate civil liberties and derail democracy.

It was the biggest turnout against Chavez in months, and appeared to revive Venezuela's languid opposition at a time when the president seems as strong as ever. Students promised more street demonstrations over the weekend, but no opposition-led protests were planned for Friday.

"This is a dictatorship masked as democracy," said Jorge Rivas, an 18- year-old student. "Chavez wants our country to be like Cuba, and we're not going to allow that to occur."

Authorities broke up the protest outside the headquarters of the country's electoral council, reporting that six police officers and one student were injured. But students said dozens of protesters were hurt during the melee. The local Globovision television network broadcast footage of several police beating an unarmed protester with billy clubs.

Student leader Freddy Guevara said it was not immediately clear how many students were arrested, and he urged local human rights groups to help verify the number of detained protesters.

Students hurled rocks and bottles, and a few lifted up sections of metal barricades and thrust them against police holding riot shields. Students retreated later when police fired plastic bullets.

Rock-throwing clashes between students and Chavez supporters continued at a nearby university campus.

"Chavez wants to remain in power his entire life, and that's not democracy," said Gonzalo Rommer, a 20-year-old student who joined protesters marching to the National Elections Council.

Deputy Justice Minister Tarek El Aissami blamed students for the violence, saying they forced their way through police barricades.

But Vicente Diaz, one of the National Election Council's five directors, accused National Guardsmen and police of using excessive force to disperse protesters. "We absolutely condemn the behavior of the authorities," Diaz said.

The amendments would give the government control over the Central Bank, create new types of cooperative property, allow authorities to detain citizens without charge during a state of emergency and extend presidential terms from six to seven years while allowing Chavez to run again in 2012.

To take effect, the reforms must be approved by voters in a Dec. 2 referendum. Lawmakers are expected to give final approval to the amendments on Friday during a special congressional session.

Opposition parties, human rights groups and representatives of the Roman Catholic Church fear civil liberties would be severely weakened under the constitutional changes.

Chavez, a close ally of Cuban leader Fidel Castro, denies the reforms threaten civil liberties.

He and his supporters say the changes will help move the country toward socialism, while giving neighborhood-based assemblies more decision-making power in using government funds for local projects like paving streets and building public housing.


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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 11:09:26 AM   
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Glorious News Comrade!!!  Now the uppity students are dissapearing, and the reactionary class begins to feel fill the sting of Socialism!!!  One day soon Sanity it will be yours and Americas turn.   Long Live the Revolution, Long Live Castro, Long live Socialism!!!! 

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 11:11:03 AM   
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Are these "Students" like the US-Funded Terrorists who threw the last coup?



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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 11:12:37 AM   
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Do you think this will be front page news in the New York Times, or do you think it will be buried behind the obituaries.

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 11:14:26 AM   
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Probably buried...Foreigns rioting against America's government is glorious and newsworthy, the rabble rising against their OWN governments rather than sneaking into America serves noone's interests but their own, right?
(EXTREME SARCASM IN THE ABOVE! )

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 11:14:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Are these "Students" like the US-Funded Terrorists who threw the last coup?




Yeah I know, farglebargle... it's all Bush's fault. It's all America's fault. We get that. Now, do you have anything new to post today?

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 11:14:42 AM   
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Who cares what the NYT does?

They're just another Bushco Propaganda outlet.



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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 11:37:24 AM   
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he said to post something NEW....

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 12:04:13 PM   
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When the Criminals are sitting in prison awaiting trial, I'll have new material.

Why are you so "Soft on Crime"?


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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 12:13:27 PM   
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So you really think the "when did you stop beating your wife stuff?" works?  I am Soft on Crime?  Maybe by the bizzare definitions of Crime which probably follow from your bizzare reading of the Constitution and the Law, I am soft on crime.  SO if I have this right, if I support the US gov or Millitary in any form shape or fashion I am soft on crime.  If so I am guilty as charged and say it proudly.  What criminals are you talking about?  Since logically all the criminals will never be caught, you will never have anything new to say?  Just keep babbling and hijacking for the same points?  Sweet, thanks for sharing...

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 12:29:12 PM   
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As long as you're giving Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, etc a pass for committing felony fraud, IN VIOLATION OF 18 USC 371, you're worse than any "Bleeding Heart Liberal" in terms of permitting known crimes to go without being brought before justice.

Your average murder kills a single person. How many deaths is the intentional fraud responsible for?

What's that law about deaths occurring as a result of a criminal act?

Now, I understand that you're a proud person, and it's very, very hard to admit that you fell for the Con Job. But the first step in getting better is admitting that you've got a problem.



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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 12:34:21 PM   
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Perhaps you should meditate on your last sentance there Farg.  Who are you really saying that to?

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 1:52:09 PM   
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It's interesting but hardly new that the "gun down the student protestor" crowd in the US are oh so upset at a foreign government using force against people attacking cops and other goernment workers.

Mere propaganda by people who have no real values or ethics at all?

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 3:15:07 PM   
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It all sounds like Britain under Margeret Thatcher.

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 3:21:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Petronius

It's interesting but hardly new that the "gun down the student protestor" crowd in the US are oh so upset at a foreign government using force against people attacking cops and other goernment workers.

Mere propaganda by people who have no real values or ethics at all?



WTF are you talking about. Where is there any "gun down the protester crowd" in the US? 

And "propaganda"???

It's a news article.

It's obviously very uncomfortable for you to have to see it, because apparently, you must really like Hugo Chavez... but do you really think that kind of an attack on the messenger is going to make the reality of this situation go away?

The guy is a fraud, and he is becoming a monster - just like so many other big-time socialists before him.

Deal with it.






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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 7:40:08 PM   
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Chavez is the biggest mistake my country has ever made in allowing him to be president.  You may ask why we even voted for him in the first place.  Truthfully, he was a wolf in sheep's clothing.  Now he has us on the path of communism, and it's even hard to find common food products like butter, milk, eggs, and anything else that is essential.  My friend is actually close friends with the leader of the university protesters, and several of my cousins have rallied with them. 

Seeing as how I live in Texas, I only hear news that is censored by Chavez's "people".  Frankly, we're all screwed.  That's why Venezuelan's are slowly trickling out of the country to find greener pastures.  This is unfortunate seeing as how Venezuela is a beautiful country with places you would never imagine.  We all pray for a peaceful resolution.  My brother secretly wishes that Chavez could be pushed of a cliff. 

Can you tell I don't like my own president?

Granted, he has his good qualities.  But the negative impacts on our economy outweigh any good that he has done for his country.  I hope I haven't offended anyone, but this is just my own opinion. 

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 7:42:12 PM   
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Chavez is the biggest mistake my country has ever made in allowing him to be president.  You may ask why we even voted for him in the first place.  Truthfully, he was a wolf in sheep's clothing.  Now he has us on the path of communism, and it's even hard to find common food products like butter, milk, eggs, and anything else that is essential.  My friend is actually close friends with the leader of the university protesters, and several of my cousins have rallied with them. 

Seeing as how I live in Texas, I only hear news that is censored by Chavez's "people".  Frankly, we're all screwed.  That's why Venezuelan's are slowly trickling out of the country to find greener pastures.  This is unfortunate seeing as how Venezuela is a beautiful country with places you would never imagine.  We all pray for a peaceful resolution.  My brother secretly wishes that Chavez could be pushed of a cliff. 

Can you tell I don't like my own president?

Granted, he has his good qualities.  But the negative impacts on our economy outweigh any good that he has done for his country.  I hope I haven't offended anyone, but this is just my own opinion. 



Thank you for your candid opinion

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 7:49:42 PM   
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any time Sanity 

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 7:58:47 PM   
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My brother secretly wishes that Chavez could be pushed of a cliff.  


He's not the only one.

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RE: Venezuelan Protests - 11/2/2007 8:00:26 PM   
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Perhaps you should meditate on your last sentance there Farg. Who are you really saying that to?


Bush Supporters who fell for the Iraq Con, and continue to live in denial of their gullibility.



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