America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk.

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wankerforuse -> America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/2/2007 3:57:16 PM)
America should not rush to help turkey in their squabble with the pkk.The Turks are a race proven over history not to be very nice people in my opinion,and they will invade northern iraq very soon and attack the pkk regardless of what America do or say.If anything America should withdraw from iraq,before the whole thing escalates into world war 3.As America is not the police force of the whole entire world.It should worry about it's own countries problems where it is losing an economic war against China,who will be the next America.And America should let other nations get on with their own problems without interfereing.Sorry if i have offended anyone but what i have mentioned i strongly beleave in.But what do you all think about this situation please?

Musicmystery -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/2/2007 4:15:13 PM)
Well, primarily, you've lumped at least half a dozen issues into one paragraph of a rant. Where would one start? Each of those issues deserves a separate post and a considered argument. Enjoy the weekend!

EPGAH -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/2/2007 4:18:46 PM)
I think there are many places America shouldn't interfere, and helping Turkey would be really stupid, considering America was CHARGED to use their airspace--not to land, to fly over--after Turkey had said they would support us in our war on Iraq. And it's not a war on Iraq, it's a war on a branch of a worldwide death-cult/gang whom we're trying to prevent from taking over Iraq! Iraq's "army" surrendered in days, and Saddam's already hung, now we have to clean out the terrorists... Interfering in Bosnia was definitely a mistake, we were helping/protecting Moslems! As to economic war with China, what war? Companies that are supposedly American have shipped all jobs they can "overseas", and the ones they can't, they try to replace with H1B indentured servants. (According to some friends of mine who were "replaced", it takes 3 Indian programmers to do what 1 American programmer did--and that's AFTER the American is assigned to train his/her own replacement! Probably the most twisted punishment I've ever heard of! I'm STILL not sure what they were punished for...Being American?) Then, of course, we have our loathsome neighbor to the south, who keeps pushing their trash (thugs, drugs, and diseases) into our yard--and prohibiting us from doing the same in return, by laws and their "national sovereignty"! Is America the only nation that respects the sovereignty of nations we're not (yet) at war with? Or are we the only ones who've lost the "balls", if you will, to defend our own interests and/or territory? When, and more importantly, WHY, did we start putting other nations' interests ahead of our own?

IdiotMale -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/2/2007 4:22:55 PM)
amen to all that

farglebargle -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/2/2007 8:07:26 PM)
quote: now we have to clean out the terrorists... What are you going to do about the Sunni's who are killing Shia, and the Shia killing Sunni, and the Kurdish/Turk war, which has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR FANTASY TERRORISTS. It's Local Ethnic and Religious Sect Cleansing, by locals, against other locals.

Termyn8or -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/2/2007 10:16:53 PM)
wanker, you have thrown it all together. But the good thing is that many here agree. Many points to discuss, but the two points that help, are a limited discussion of how we got to this point, and a more focused discussion about what to do about it. The government decided to do what they did, how do we stop that if we want to stop that ? The ballot box is not working. Got any ideas ? I dunno about everybody, but many do agree, and actually alot of foreigners. The more enlightened Americans seem to agree as well. But we must pick the plan apart and put our own together. This is all talk until we actually do something. They are taking so much that our resources are limited, we must do the right thing first if possible. Without violence, the options are protest, strikes, boycotts or electing Ron Paul. Nothing else will change the way things are. We The People must do it, it must start with us. Until it does, things will stay the same hopefully, but they could get worse. And when the change comes it will get worse for some. Of that there is no doubt. You need to see the bigger picture. While America might actually be an island, in the political realm it is not. Although the Founding Fathers intended that, these greedy MFs have changed the face of the world. The only thing worse than greed is religion. At least greed is reliable to use logic. Religion is a poison that pervades society and threatens it's very existence, yet it's followers are blind to the fact. Greed threatens society, that is sure, but greed has a purpose that is understandable. Religion is so distorted that I defy anyone to make sense out of it. It can't be done, as said by religious "leaders", you must have faith. Just what is faith ? T

mnottertail -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/2/2007 10:20:34 PM)
the answer and what will happen in the real world, it will not receive funding from appropriations, but from budget which means it wont receive money when put on the table

Sinergy -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/2/2007 11:58:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Well, primarily, you've lumped at least half a dozen issues into one paragraph of a rant. Where would one start? Each of those issues deserves a separate post and a considered argument. Enjoy the weekend! Good place to start would involve punctuation and formatting. Sinergy

Maya2001 -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/3/2007 6:56:14 PM)
Hmm having spoken with someone from there , my opinion and those of many living in Turkey is that the US should stay out of it, their politcal parties are based on religion the current one in power if I understood correctly are an islamic extremeists and they have their own agenda, by US stepping in to support would be the same as another country coming into the US to support the republic government in their agenda and at the same time squash one of the other political parties eg democrats and what they stand for in the process. The person Tufan was/(is?) a member of Collar me, a very nice honest, respectful person and resident of Turkey but desperately trying to find a way out somewhere to go was using collar me partially as a means to find a place to go but I was not in a position to help him, he has been living peaceably there working as a pharmaceutical consultant for almost the past 40 years and now with this new government his life is turned upside down and he must flee his country inorder to stay alive , not to say he is not a dominant or lacking the understanding of D/s dynamics as he very much does but he also knew he could not get involved with someone without being truthful about why he wanted to leave his country, he explained some of what is happening there, some of the conversation, His last name is removed to protect his identity quote: tufan (10/11/2007 5:35:41 PM): have you heard some about my country tufan (10/11/2007 5:35:47 PM): ok tufan (10/11/2007 5:36:06 PM): turkey is neighbour country of Iraq tufan (10/11/2007 5:36:30 PM): USA army is operating there tufan (10/11/2007 5:38:23 PM): turkey is not an arab country tufan (10/11/2007 5:38:40 PM): turkey is not an islam republic tufan (10/11/2007 5:39:00 PM): but islamic fanatics won the elections tufan (10/11/2007 5:39:14 PM): USA supporting them tufan (10/11/2007 5:39:33 PM): they will change my country into an islamic republic tufan (10/11/2007 5:39:59 PM): you wonder if these tings make risks for me tufan (10/11/2007 5:40:07 PM): yes tufan (10/11/2007 5:40:22 PM): these are high risks for me tufan (10/11/2007 5:40:32 PM): even survival tufan (10/11/2007 5:41:24 PM): have you heard about 68 youth movement tufan (10/11/2007 5:41:29 PM): 1968 tufan (10/11/2007 5:43:49 PM): let me try to explain tufan (10/11/2007 5:44:16 PM): I have joined these youth movements from 1968-71 tufan (10/11/2007 5:44:54 PM): army attacked on youth here tufan (10/11/2007 5:45:13 PM): I have been caught and put in the prison for 1 year tufan (10/11/2007 5:45:40 PM): we were almost 1000 university students tufan (10/11/2007 5:46:30 PM): we have been struggling against USA tufan (10/11/2007 5:46:55 PM): I know the poorness of my country coming from USA tufan (10/11/2007 5:47:21 PM): I have always struggled in this way during my life tufan (10/11/2007 5:48:34 PM): so if the war against Iran becomes tufan (10/11/2007 5:48:50 PM): and these islamic groups control my country would be dangerous for me tufan (10/11/2007 5:48:56 PM): this is the story tufan (10/11/2007 5:49:21 PM): you know athers tufan (10/11/2007 5:49:23 PM): others tufan (10/11/2007 5:49:27 PM): I am alone tufan (10/11/2007 5:49:42 PM): I need to live happily tufan (10/11/2007 5:52:40 PM): my situation is not about working tufan (10/11/2007 5:52:56 PM): my coıuntry is riskful for me.. not other places He is not some ranting raving lunatic or danger to anyone , just a quite well educated man looking for peace and happiness in his life, who just began his retirement but knows where ever he goes he will have to come out of retirement and start life over again, was in discussion with me on how he wanted to go about supporting himself, has very little to offer at the moment but very giving LOL I had to talk him out of sending me a Kangal puppy which is considered very valuable once he knew I had other dogs. where ever he is now I wish him luck and hope he got out safely.

cyberdude611 -> RE: America is not state police of the world in relation to aiding turkey against pkk. (11/3/2007 7:14:51 PM)
Id be very hesitant to get involved militarily in affairs in that general area. You are dealing with many different groups of people that have a very nasty history towards one another. And the Turks are one of those groups. Once we start going after the PKK, it gives the indication to everyone living in the mid-east and central asia that the United States has choosen Turkey's side. And many people who are either friendly or neutral towards us will consider us an enemy. And that is why we have not gone after the PKK.

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