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Punishment via Discipline - 11/2/2007 5:10:59 PM   
fit2pleaseu


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I would like to hear a few Dommes responses to this question.
When you are punishing a sub in a physical sense (lets say in this instance you are administering a caning)
What goes through your mind prior to during and after you have completed the punishment?
And how do you decide how much is enough or required?
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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/4/2007 9:15:28 AM   
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The answer will vary from person to person, so please understand that this is only my perspective.

I had a slave who loved to be whipped.  I would have a preset number in mind to warm him up.  He became very aroused during a whipping, so if he was not yet aroused the whipping would continue.  (I expect my subs to be hard for me.)  If I had him count aloud and say thank you after each blow, and he either lost count or forgot to thank me, he would get an additional 10 lashes.  I considered this discipline, making sure that he was ready for total submission.

Punishment fell into times that he would displease me with an action.  Then he would be told in advance how many blows he would receive and why.  Purposely disobeying me for the purpose of getting more blows would get him closet time instead, alone in the dark and wondering when I would bring him back out to play.  Typically, there is nothing that a sub hates more than being ignored.

With someone that didn't enjoy the pain as much the blows would be fewer.  I would still expect the count, but would say up front how many blows were coming.  Most mistresses are really looking for the head space that the sub needs to truly turn themselves over ot them.  If it can be done with 5 strokes, that makes it easier on her.  I get my excitement over having someone be truly ready to serve me.  Others get the excitement from seeing the reaction to the pain.

I hope that helps.  : )

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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/4/2007 10:30:14 AM   
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I view punishment and discipline as serving two very distinct purposes. In my house, discipline is used to teach a preferred behavior through example, self control and is reinforced through positive feedback. When I punish, it is due to self indulgent behavior that the slave knows is displeasing yet does it any way. Greatly disappointed by this willfull act of disobedience, punishment is swift, severe, administered with a cane reserved specifially for this purpose. It is rarely enjoyed even by the most ardent masochist. I'll oftentimes allow him/her to choose the number of hits and thank me for each one. Surprisingly, I've had non masochists choose a relatively high number given their dislike of pain. They are then given a time out to reflect on their behavior, the consequences they've suffered and why. A written essay soon follows.
 
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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/4/2007 10:36:22 AM   
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Punishment is a word of its own meaning when comparing it to discipline.
You are asking what I think before I punish someone?
I have a three step process I go through before I punish someone.
First, I talk with them. Second, I will write them up with the details of the infractions they need to adhere to.  If the write up does not work, I go for full discipline which is stated in the write up such as a punishment spanking or flogging.
Discipline is simply following through one's own requirements to fullfill a commitment of some type.  Punishment is the action part of it.  Nown verses verb type thing.
My slave likes pain. Punishment for him would be different.  He gets to receive his choice of activities when he pleases me. 
A lot to think about huh?

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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/4/2007 11:51:00 AM   
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A good range of thoughts and ideas...thankyou.
I view punishment of the physical type as being very painful and unpleasant but if that was what a Domme presribed for me then accepting it with minimum fuss would be part of the punishment and it would be deserved.
I read that there are some subs that intentionally push the boundaries in the hope of being punished..personally i cant prescribe to that mindset it would then seem like play if it was desired.

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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/4/2007 12:26:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fit2pleaseu
I read that there are some subs that intentionally push the boundaries in the hope of being punished..personally i cant prescribe to that mindset it would then seem like play if it was desired.


More often than not I am intense in my style of play and those who have suffered my punishment definitely know the difference. For those who choose to push my buttons seeking attention beyond what I am able or willing to give at that moment, giving them less of what "they want" with an explanation as to why works wonders to tame such behavior. Patience is something they must learn to exercise on my time clock not theirs.
 
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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/4/2007 1:46:12 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: fit2pleaseu

A good range of thoughts and ideas...thankyou.
I view punishment of the physical type as being very painful and unpleasant but if that was what a Domme presribed for me then accepting it with minimum fuss would be part of the punishment and it would be deserved.
I read that there are some subs that intentionally push the boundaries in the hope of being punished..personally i cant prescribe to that mindset it would then seem like play if it was desired.


The mindset is simple.  Some of them are pain sluts.  Some are bratty, and some are angry and want to fight a Dom/me for some reason usually after a bad breakup of a relationship.

Best of luck.

MissSCD

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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/5/2007 7:35:11 AM   
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First premise -- neither punishment or discipline need be corporal in nature.  In fact, if you work with a masochist, it's generally thought to be counterproductive to punish with something they enjoy, unless of course you can focus it down to something they abjectly hate.  You're not going to affect the unwanted behavior and create change if you're rewarding them with something they like. 

For punishment (correction of an unwanted behavior for the purpose reducing future repetitions of said unwanted behavior:)
What infraction happened.  How serious?  Loss incurred?  Bodily harm incurred to person or property?
Was it in full disclosure or did they hide/lie about it?
Were my expectations clear? Was this against a written or spoken rule, or simply implied?

Punishment needs to fit the crime.  Punishment needs to be situation specific and subject (person) specific.  A punishment for one slave may not psychologically be effective, or may be damaging to the individual it was inapprorpriate for.  For me, most of my punishments are non-corporal in nature, and they generally involve something psychological to force their introspection inward on their behaviors and how they negatively impact both the slave's life and my own.  I genuinely believe that if a slave thought about "is this going to displease my mistress" before they did most actions, they'd stay out of trouble a bit more.

Punishment, in that regard, is difficult for me but it is carried out matter of factly.  I'm a sadist and I like to hurt my boys.  My having to withhold physical pain on them can be tormentous.  I also really loathe disrespect, and usually, it's a punishment that's being carried out for just that!  That doesn't exactly make me happy either.

Importantly, once punishment is over -- it's over.  There's no holding against them the infraction that I've carried out punishment on.  I'll store away what they did in the event it happens again, for then I need to look at malice or an action of my own that may be inciting the unwanted behavior.....but for the most part, I like to forgive and forget that which they've suffered for already.  This is especially true in the case of something I've taken the physical route.  The One Minute Manager (Blanchard) philosophy of 'it's your behavior I don't like' and a reminder that you still like and appreciate them as a person and for who they are to you as a valued commodity is paramount to them not resenting you for your chosen punishment.  Open lines of communication and encouraging them to reflect on their experience also helps immensely.

Discipline is an entirely different entity.  In my mind, discipline is akin to learning to be a tough Marine in recruit training camp.  You learn discipline through hard labor, through forced repetition, through studying, drills, mental development, through rigid inspections.  A slave learns discipline by first, learning your expectations in stages.  Through each stage, they learn the skill or task required to carry out each and every one of those expectations.  They move on ahead in their training when they have proven themselves routinely proficient at the skill until it can be performed automatically, without hesistation, to perfection. Discipline, I find, is learned through self-evolvement, through being proud of their accomplishments and through positive reinforcement.  Again, their keeping in mind that displeasing me is the LAST THING they want to do is often enough of a motivator to self-discipline and become the best slave they can possibly be for me.



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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/5/2007 8:39:39 PM   
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Applauds MisPandora!

Adding: I am not One who wants to use physical punishment ... whether or not the sub can see it with a different mindset to play or not is immaterial to Me, it's simply something I don't want to do for Myself. I rarely see a need for punishment, because it's only given for deliberate infraction of rules and I don't tend to retain subs who think that's worthwhile. I also view it as a failure on My part because I haven't picked up on something and corrected it soon enough or made My expectations clear enough. I am much more interested in the "why" the sin was committed than what it actually was ... any sub who has sat through My "20 questions on the road to enlightenment" about the causes of their sinning will probably say that was punishment in itself LOL! However, ultimately I choose one of 2 things - either the addition of a less than pleasant task to their joblist OR deprivation of something enjoyable (be it shoes from an avid crossdresser, TV privileges for favourite shows and no videotaping rights either!, withdrawing permission for an enjoyable activity, OR My presence and attention) ... whichever seems to best fit the crime and the sub!

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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/5/2007 11:11:27 PM   
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MaamJay, absolutely.  I tend to beat myself up figuratively more when a slave screws up than I actually beat him.  We make mistakes, or fail to provide the proper instructions, or make assumptions that the slave will know what to do or how to do it the way I want it done.  Sometimes it IS the dominant's fault that some infractions happen.  My job is to make that the lowest possible denominator in the equation.

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RE: Punishment via Discipline - 11/9/2007 1:36:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissSCD

I have a three step process I go through before I punish someone.
First, I talk with them. Second, I will write them up with the details of the infractions they need to adhere to.  If the write up does not work, I go for full discipline which is stated in the write up such as a punishment spanking or flogging.
Regards, MissSCD


I am always reading posts from Dommes about what they would do and always think to myself  "I gotta find me a male version of her"

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