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To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:11:53 AM   
kyraofMists


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Status: offline 		The very few times that I have been in what I think of as subspace, I have little memory of the play.  The experience is hazy and the sensations are muted.  I may enjoy myself immensely but not remember much of it. 

He does not allow us to slip off into subspace for too long.  He prefers to keeps us on the edges of that oblivion and keep us feeling the pain that he is dishing out.  That is a double-edge sword most times for me; I remember what happens that way but I also remember that it hurts like a bitch  *g*

Recently, I had the experience where I forced myself to stay out of subspace.  The interaction between him and me in the play was so much fun and couldn't be maintained in subspace.  Each time I felt my consciousness slipping away I would drag myself back; it hurt more that way but it was a hell of a lot a fun.

Have you kept yourself from spacing out during play or do you actively seek that experience? 

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:18:03 AM   
batshalom


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Status: offline 		Nope. I love subspace and let it come as it will. I'm a pig.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:20:18 AM   
applecandy


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Status: offline 		As a bottom/sub, I LIVE for subspace. It's one of the main reasons I enjoy the physical play, and why I'm currently seeking a casual play partner. I crave that release, that ability to leave the world behind and just float mindlessly.

As a Domme, though, to me it's just as important to give that sensation to my sub. I feel my most accomplished when my sweeties are speechless after a scene - they're floating so high they can't form words. That's success, right there. *grin*

It's never occurred to me to withhold subspace, and I don't know if it would ever become one of my methods of play. Going orbital is just too much fun.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:24:34 AM   
sexyred1


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Status: offline 		No. I love subspace and if I don't get there, then it is not as much fun.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:28:29 AM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		He wants me there with him, and not drifting off. However I love it and have requested that when we have a lot of time, he just leaves me tied up and warm, to float for a while until I come down on my own.

I like paying attention to him and being with him, but I also like being able to relax and just feel, not have to think.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:34:55 AM   
miladyh


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Status: offline 		I dont believe I have ever been to that wonderful place I hear all about.  I am alert through any "scene" or role play at all times.  Perhaps it is my subconscious telling me I need to know what is happening to me at all times.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:43:26 AM   
Cyntilating


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

The very few times that I have been in what I think of as subspace, I have little memory of the play.  The experience is hazy and the sensations are muted.  I may enjoy myself immensely but not remember much of it. 

He does not allow us to slip off into subspace for too long.  He prefers to keeps us on the edges of that oblivion and keep us feeling the pain that he is dishing out.  That is a double-edge sword most times for me; I remember what happens that way but I also remember that it hurts like a bitch  *g*

Recently, I had the experience where I forced myself to stay out of subspace.  The interaction between him and me in the play was so much fun and couldn't be maintained in subspace.  Each time I felt my consciousness slipping away I would drag myself back; it hurt more that way but it was a hell of a lot a fun.

Have you kept yourself from spacing out during play or do you actively seek that experience? 

Knight's Kyra


I would say I just try to feeling the feelings and not think about it... Something I am still "working on" is trying not to anticipate.  Sometimes I can,  sometimes I am not so successful...But surrendering to the feelings and sensations he is creating is nice.
 
I am not left in subspace that long either.  But I don't seem to go to that floaty cloud light and airy place most describe.
space for me is dark and intense, everything feels edgy, sharp and slightly scarey. 
He tells me that it takes alot of mental and physical strength on his part to keep me there and in just the right place> just over the edge but not too far over into it deeply.  He feels its for my safety that he limits my time there. 
I know when I'm coming out> I shake alot and feel very vulnerable...>> I never want to go there again!   but then 10 mins later, after he has held me and calmed me and I'm "back"  > I want to go again! chuckle and groan.
The feelings are intense...enough that I, both, love them and hate them at the same time.
 
this probably makes no sense  ..
makes me wonder why I go "there"  as opposed to the soft cushy place..
 
 
 
 

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:48:12 AM   
catize


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 Have you kept yourself from spacing out during play or do you actively seek that experience?   


I find that subspace simply mutes the sensations rather than obscures them.  To me it is like there is a thin cushion that allows me to enjoy the play at a harder level and for a longer period of time.  I become a bit fuzzy about minor details but I am aware of what is happening.  One of the dominants I know has me write a journal entry and the details come back to me as I write.
Without subspace it becomes taking the pain for him; submitting to suffering, a test of endurance.  Despite the fact I am masochistic, there are types of pain that keep me out of subspace.
I’ve done both and each experience has its merits. 


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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 7:49:57 AM   
kyraofMists


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ORIGINAL: applecandy

It's never occurred to me to withhold subspace, and I don't know if it would ever become one of my methods of play. Going orbital is just too much fun.


The reason he does it is because he wants our pain.  When we are in subspace, the sensations are muted and pain is not felt much or even at all.  He keeps us on the edge of that oblivion so that we feel the pain he is inflicting. 

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 8:44:02 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Yes I have kept myself out of that space.  Usually it's because it's not right for that particular scene, or because I know there won't be time to deal with the after effects in the right way so it's best to avoid them.

And I've been kept out of subspace as well and have no problems keeping someone else out of subspace if I am topping them.

Now, the requisite links:
http://www.collarchat.com/m_622770/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#622894
Crazy First Subspace

http://www.collarchat.com/m_549476/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#549596
blocked out scene or inaccurate memory?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_521560/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#521654
A question about "subspace"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_514967/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#515095
Different views of subspace and subdrop

http://www.collarchat.com/m_238766/mpage_2/key_subspace/tm.htm#280229
How quick do you go into subspace?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_440912/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#441045
Was this subspace?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_537506/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#537508
Subspace ??

What is SUBSPACE?

Subspace...?

Subspace

Subspace can you control it?

Subspace?

Not talking subspace...or sub drop...so what is it?

Subspace or just fantasy land?

Subspace safe?

Subspace or subdrop anyone?

Subspace? (2)

A thing called subspace

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 8:47:04 AM   
goodgirl08


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Status: offline 		If it is something that just happens, what can you actively do to stay out of it? This is a real question, not rhetorical

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 8:57:16 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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ORIGINAL: goodgirl08
If it is something that just happens, what can you actively do to stay out of it? This is a real question, not rhetorical

Either yourself and/or someone else can train you to anticipate it and actively avoid it.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 9:45:19 AM   
charlotte12


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Status: offline 		The few times i've gone to subspace i didn't feel like i felt the pain any less. For me i can tell when i'm there because suddenly instead of gritting my teeth and bearing it or stuggling away i start to push my body back towards the pain. For me it's that moment where i finally release the struggle against the pain and start to enjoy it. I don't think he would avoid that with me unless he was feeling particularily sadistic and wanted to see me writhing and begging for him to stop....mmmm.....yummy...lol.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 10:04:45 AM   
arayofsunshine55


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Status: offline 		Strong dislike for spacing out and drifting off.  Part of what I enjoy is our interaction.  We are constantly riffing off each other.  Point and counter point.   That is what interests both of us.  Now I can be an absent dishrag after the fact.    He likes that.  I still don't like that either. 


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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 10:20:11 AM   
junecleaver


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Status: offline 		No.  I enjoy the space and the feeling.  I'm not a masochist, so when we scene I'm not looking to feel the pain.  The only thing that I get out of it is 1) he enjoys it and 2) I occasionally get to fly with the right kind of play.  It does mute the pain.  I don't like the pain so that's a good thing for me.  I find it kind of frustrating/disappointing not to fly during S&M.

I wouldn't keep myself from spacing, unless instructed to do so.


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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 10:21:54 AM   
neloangelo1227


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Status: offline 		I've never "withheld subspace" before--I've always thought of it as the "goal" of a scene, but reading this thread has introduced me to a new perspective. I think it's interesting to focus on honing the enjoyment of a D/s couple's conscious interactions in lieu of the "one-sided" experience of the Dom getting the sub to float.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 11:29:33 AM   
ExSteelAgain


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Status: offline 		If I may give a Dom perspective for a minute. When you're stuck with having to keep the storyline following a single thread, there's bound to be some lack of depth.

You ESPECIALLY lose the ability to flesh-out the submissive by handing over entire chapters to a script that requires spacing. I want the full range of possibilities and tools to develop a submissive in a scene from within.

Besides sometimes I just want to beat her hard without worrying about building her up to nirvana.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 12:02:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not allowed to control any part of his play, and therefore I am not allowed to keep myself out of space.  He prefers me there.  He prefers to push my mind as far out as it can go.  Having said that, however far I go, he is able to reach me out there, while I am in that space, and maneuver me.  It's part of the energy play he does - he reaches my energy and controls it.   He loves having control of everything, even that, and holding back from him is an absolute no for us.

The hazier my memory, the more he enjoys it.  I may not feel the pain, but that's ok with him as he's not into pain play as much as he is into mind and energy and orgasm play. The farther out I go, the more spiritually connected to him and to myself I become.  It's a most amazing experience, and when I can come back and share it with him (in detail, as I am prone to do), he is not only fascinated by it, but can anticipate where I am the next time he sends me out there, and can maneuver me through it even better.

Sometimes it can be extremely overwhelming for me.  He knows this, and feels his own bond to me growing when I don't hold back, even then - when I face it and push myself forward, despite being overwhelmed or even afraid. His whole demeanor to me changes when he brings me back, and there is a shared joy that I would not trade for the world. 

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 12:07:11 PM   
ExSteelAgain


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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

I am not allowed to control any part of his play, and therefore I am not allowed to keep myself out of space.  He prefers me there.  He prefers to push my mind as far out as it can go.  Having said that, however far I go, he is able to reach me out there, while I am in that space, and maneuver me.  It's part of the energy play he does - he reaches my energy and controls it.   He loves having control of everything, even that, and holding back from him is an absolute no for us.

The hazier my memory, the more he enjoys it.  I may not feel the pain, but that's ok with him as he's not into pain play as much as he is into mind and energy and orgasm play. The farther out I go, the more spiritually connected to him and to myself I become.  It's a most amazing experience, and when I can come back and share it with him (in detail, as I am prone to do), he is not only fascinated by it, but can anticipate where I am the next time he sends me out there, and can maneuver me through it even better.

Sometimes it can be extremely overwhelming for me.  He knows this, and feels his own bond to me growing when I don't hold back, even then - when I face it and push myself forward, despite being overwhelmed or even afraid. His whole demeanor to me changes when he brings me back, and there is a shared joy that I would not trade for the world. 


That sounds beautiful.

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RE: To Subspace or Not - 11/4/2007 12:31:33 PM   
completenz


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Status: offline 		with ownedgirlie on this. C wants me in subspace and enjoys getting, and keeping, me there. He loves observing me sinking deeper and He says once i get there its like a switch is flicked to 'on'. i start giving out all the lovely energy He desires. i often joke He is like a succubus (sp?) He just loves holding me and absorbing everything i can give Him. His control over me is so complete and our bond grows deeper and deeper after each time. Unbeatable stuff
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