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meatcleaver -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 3:46:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Only 9 out of 10 of a percentage of people (I will try and find it out, give me time as I can't remember the %) Breast feeding isn't the trigger, the gene is and it's to do with fatty acids. Many people cannot breast feed for one reason or another so they bottle feed by expressing or using fomula. Toxic milk syndrome, allergies - cleft palette. Breastfeeding is a choice, not a guilt trip. the.dark. Who has said that women that don't breast feed should feel guilty? Logic suggests that breastfeeding by a healthy mother with enough milk would be better for her baby than formula milk, in the same way eating healthy natural food for adults would be better than eating processed foods.

RCdc -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 3:56:23 AM)
oh please mc - I know you aren't that naive. the.dark.

eyesopened -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 4:26:49 AM)
IQ is bad science anyway. It only measures what a person knows in relation to other people of the same age. A child can have a very high IQ at age 6 and at age 40 not score as well. Did the person become dumber?? No, the rest of the 40 year olds caught up and now the avereage is different. http://www.danielgoleman.info/blog/2007/03/13/the-trouble-with-iq/ "The relation of IQ to exceptional performance is rather weak in many domains…For scientists, engineers, and medical doctors…the correlations between ability measures and occupational success are only around 0.2, accounting for only 4% of the variance (Baird, 1985). More generally, prediction of occupational success from psychometric tests has not been very successful. In a review of more than one hundred studies, Ghiselli (1966) found the average correlation between success-on-the-job measurements and aptitude-test scores to be 0.19. Aptitude tests can predict performance immediately after training with an average correlation of 0.3, but the correlation between performance after training and final performance on the job is only about 0.2 (Ghiselli, 1966). Reviews of subsequent research have reported very similar correlation estimates. When corrections were made for the restriction of range of these samples and for unreliability of performance measures, Hunter and Hunter (1984) found that only cognitive ability emerged as a useful predictor with an average adjusted correlation of 0.5 with early job performance. However, a recent review (Hulin, Henry and Noon, 1990) has shown that with increased experience on the job the predictive validities of ability tests for performance decrease over time by an average correlation of 0.6. This implies that ability tests can predict early performance on a job, whereas final performance is poorly predicted." Most people would perfer that their child grow up to be well-adjusted and successful within their chosen career path. i would be more impressed with the breastmilk to IQ study if the children studied were raised in identical circumstances, for example perhaps a single set of parents raising their children in identical way with only the breastmilk being the difference. The problem with "studies" of this kind is that someone sets out to 'prove' the exact result they are seeking. If you want to find the face of Jesus in a tortilla, all you have to do is flip through enough tortillas and presto! you'll find one!

meatcleaver -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 4:54:38 AM)
IQ is just a cultural measurement and intelligence is not something that is static throughout ones life, one appears to get more or less intelligent depending on how much one uses ones brains, ones nutritional intake, the amount of sleep one has and no doubt there are also a lot more influences. From what I can tell, the research is saying in this instance, if the baby has a particular gene, breastfeeding increases the baby's potential intelligence. Add that to other benefits of a baby being fed on its mother's milk then if a mother is able, it seems it is advisable for her to breastfeed.

meatcleaver -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 4:57:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark oh please mc - I know you aren't that naive. the.dark. Dark, it appears you are the one that is feeling guilty as you are the one focusing on guilt.[;)]

RCdc -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:04:41 AM)
The findings are flawed. Both did not take into account cultural and social issues. Breast feeding is not the be and end all. Breast milk has it's advantages (possibly) - but to mistakingly advise it to be breastfeeding that is the key is very suspect. the.dark.

RCdc -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:07:21 AM)
MC - you don't have to make things personal - it just loses your point. Don't do guilt, nor hypocrisy. the.dark.

meatcleaver -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:19:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark The findings are flawed. Both did not take into account cultural and social issues. Breast feeding is not the be and end all. Breast milk has it's advantages (possibly) - but to mistakingly advise it to be breastfeeding that is the key is very suspect. the.dark. The study claims to show a physiological mechanism which would preclude cultural and social issues. It says that if a child has the gene, it has the physiology to benefit from breastfeeding, therefore its potential intelligence is incrreased regardless of cultural and social issues.

sambamanslilgirl -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:21:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaverosebeauty Breasts were MADE to feed babies. Biological fact. Why NOT give a baby the best start they can in life and to feed them ther BEST food that their is avaliable?! i could have if i wasn't already on prescription meds for chronic bronchitis/asthma - plus like someone else said, i choose NOT to breastfeed my children. my UMs were bottlefed and they still turned out healthy (not overweight as someone else pointed out). so don't knock moms who went the bottle-feeding route. it's a matter of choice - which some of you fail to remember. also - i don't have breast cancer and i was bottlefed ...so was my mother ...so how do you explain that one?

RCdc -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:25:26 AM)
Yes, back to the gene - again - it is as I have repeatedly stated the gene. Not the breast feeding. If the report and said findings concentrated on the gene I could understand. But the misleading information and the way it is presented is media hype and anti choice. the.dark.

eyesopened -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:37:17 AM)
The study will be of significant interest to those people for whom their children are trophies where competitive edge is the most important thing of all. i have seen WAY too many kids totally stressed (maybe leading to obesity since the stress hormone is linked to weight) by age 8. Sheesh... let kids be kids and let love flourish and quit worrying about how to make a super-human race. It's already been tried.

angeldustx -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:42:03 AM)
i agree with you on this one it is a choice and people are made to feel bad for not complying with what drs and midwifes etc say is best! lots of parents choose to breast feed and i was one of them with my daughter i found it a bonding expereince however with my son i hated it, he loved it i couldnt give him enough milk due to his stressful birth and my ill health at the time (he was premmie as i had eclampsia!) i didnt enjoy it and resented having to try and feed him as it lead to having sore boobs and 9 times out of 10 i ended up giving him a top up of formula milk anyways! As to whether it makes children brainer etc etc well i personally think its a myth! as long as a child is happy and is thriving thats all that matters! yes my daughter is bright and happy and the top of her class for lots of things! however i put her being happy and safe above all else.

meatcleaver -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:43:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Yes, back to the gene - again - it is as I have repeatedly stated the gene. Not the breast feeding. If the report and said findings concentrated on the gene I could understand. But the misleading information and the way it is presented is media hype and anti choice. the.dark. The whole point of the research from what I can tell from this article is that it links breastfeeding with a physiological benefit, in this case, breastfeeding increases a child's potential intelligence. quote from the article. Catherine Collins, a dietician at St Georges Hospital in London and spokesperson for the British Dietetic Association, said the study highlighted the interaction between nutrition and genetics. "In this study you have an effect that suggests that nature is more important that nurture. "If nine out of 10 babies benefit, then that is a very good chance." I'm no expert but I'm struggling to see your point about being upset at the article. It is quite clear in that it says nutrition is important to intelligence, that is not in itself a revolutionary idea nor that breastfeeding being natural, would be better for a baby than not breastfeeding (or more accuately feeding the baby with the mother's milk). What the research does, is make a physiological link between potential intelligence and breastfeeding. Something that has long been suspected.

RCdc -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 5:57:01 AM)
Then I think you have completely missed the point. If the article I posted was entitled - 'gene links breast milk to IQ' - or 'gene links fatty acids to IQ'... but it doesn't. It's gene 'links breastfeeding to IQ'. You do the math. Ironically enough, only last year about the same time, the research was that there was no difference in IQ. the.dark.

meatcleaver -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 6:24:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark Then I think you have completely missed the point. If the article I posted was entitled - 'gene links breast milk to IQ' - or 'gene links fatty acids to IQ'... but it doesn't. It's gene 'links breastfeeding to IQ'. You do the math. Ironically enough, only last year about the same time, the research was that there was no difference in IQ. the.dark. LOL That is a headline to provoke you into reading the article, that is the whole point of headlines. A headline is not the title of some academic tome nor is it meant to be accurate in any way but an eye catching phrase to attract the reader. Last year there might have been research that produced a different result but that is the nature of research. I bet if one reads this research paper that is meant to be read by fellow scientists it doesn't so much mention IQ as intelligence potential, IQ being introduced for the sake of the lay person as an illustration of the potential.

RCdc -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 6:34:21 AM)
well duh! (glad you caught up[:)]) Google it I dare you![;)] Think you will find the report itself? Nope. You will find articles on breastfeeding, sure. You find insinuations that breastfeeding causes higher IQ and that the breast milk is 'also' a factor. Read all the articles and see how they read. That was the point of the post - sheesh MC... the.dark.

canupleaseme -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 6:34:34 AM)
I breastfed my um because it was the only thing I could do for her as she was in special care for a few months being a prem baby. I felt it was important seeing as she had a big fight ahead of her to get all the antibodies my milk could provide her and also I hated that I couldnt help her in any other way. I had to express it for the first 8 weeks because she was tube fed and it was bloody hard work. When it got hard and nothing seemed to come out and I tried to give up I was made to feel very guilty by the nursing staff for wanting her to have formula. I stuck at it sore nipples and all and she came home a breat fed baby till she was 1 years old. My friend whose baby was also in the special care unit refused poitn blank to breast feed or express for her child she found the whole idea made her feel wrong. Our children are the same age and they are both in the top 3 in their respective classes. I hate how gulity I was made to feel about wanting to stop but glad that it made me keep at it. It was a special time for us both. I dont think there is anything wrong in feeding your baby formula Ive watched several friends fall to peices trying to breastfeed and not being able to and their kids are just fine. I think there is enough pressure on a new mums without being made to feel like they arent giving their kids the best start in life for not breastfeeding.

meatcleaver -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 9:10:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark well duh! (glad you caught up[:)]) Google it I dare you![;)] Think you will find the report itself? Nope. You will find articles on breastfeeding, sure. You find insinuations that breastfeeding causes higher IQ and that the breast milk is 'also' a factor. Read all the articles and see how they read. That was the point of the post - sheesh MC... the.dark. I think you are losing the plot by taking it all to personal. [;)]

RCdc -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 9:42:55 AM)
Cant you hold a discussion without making it 'personal'. Shows faulty debating...[;)]either that or your more a politician than you want others to know...[:D] the.dark.

KatyLied -> RE: .brainybreastfeeders. (11/7/2007 9:54:27 AM)
Wow, what kind of doctors/nurses did some of you have? I breastfed my first born for almost 2 weeks, that's all I could take. I found nursing much more painful than childbirth. My son was big (10lbs) and losing weight those first weeks, and he would scream at feeding time, then fall asleep on the breast. I was upset and my doctor told me that if putting him on the bottle made me calmer then it was the right thing to do. The day I went out and bought bottles was a happy day. After the second day of bottle feeding he slept through the night. I think he was starving, or not nursing properly, I'm not sure. I didn't nurse my second child, no way I was going through that again.

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