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Cntrolmeplease -> RE: Humiliation (11/8/2007 8:01:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

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ORIGINAL: MystressDream

 Humilation play is powerful... and can be damaging.  It takes really getting to know the other person well... knowing what their core values are... then staying as far away from those core values as possible.  Too many play around with this and risk the psychological damage that can come of it.  
 


Bingo.  With me it's damaging.  But I've noticed that people have different definitions of humiliation.  I don't find grunge fucking humiliating... I was reading a thread elsewhere that basically asked subs if they liked it when their Dom said "shut up and spread your legs" and something like 20 pages of responses all said "HOT HOT HOT".  One in particular fondly comes to mind... she woke up to find that he had put his hand on her mouth and said "Not a word missy". Oh myyyyyyyyyy.

Um, sorry, I digress.

Sharon


Sharon,
Do you have the link to that thread by any chance?




chellekitty -> RE: Humiliation (11/8/2007 10:16:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tigrita

Interesting post Chelle, it made me think, and respectfully disagree as to the last part.  I do think that humility is important, in both dominants and submissives, but I don't think a dominant should have to hide it from a submissive.  I think humility is very much a strength in its self and enhances my opinion of a dominant.  A dominant being able to recognize and apologize when they are wrong, feel when they are hurting, know when they need help and are not strong enough or don't have the skill set to acomplish something on their own... These are all types of humility, and to deny them is a mask, a front, a level of arrogance and huberous that is very un-attractive and even untrustworthy.  It is also a great challenge sometimes for a dominant personality, and strength shows in the greatest challenges.  I think it is also a way that a relationship with a submissive can help a dominant grow, not necessarily in an active way on the submissive's part, but as the relationship and trust grow, the dominant can grow this way within the trust of a submissive, to be able to show weakness and imperfection and maintain dominance.  That is a beautiful thing to me and I have seen it with both the dominants I've had relationships with and only think more of them for it, not less.


I agree that a Dominant should be vulnerable in front of and to their submissive...but what good would it do for their submissive to see them to be knocked back down to their all to human status, should they need help getting there?




BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Humiliation (11/8/2007 11:21:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cntrolmeplease

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ORIGINAL: Tigrita

Taboo is often also a big appeal of it too in some circumstances.  Being that dirty, nasty, objectified little whatever... that your parents or mentors would be so shocked by and ashamed of.  Fun stuff.

Taboo is what does it for me too.. All the "i'm going to take pictures of all these nasty things you are letting me do to you and show them to your family.  Then they'll know what a dirty girl you really are" or "we are going to sit at a bar and I am going to make you lift your skirt to the top of your thighs and make you part those pretty little knees of yours.. Then your little pussy will be exposed.. Everyone is going to see your little pussy.." 
Whew.. sorry!


Wow....works for me. *pant pant pant*

Hey good to see you Cntrol, where have you been?




ExSteelAgain -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 1:34:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain
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Humiliating a sub makes her feel insecure to the degree that she will find comfort in performing a humiliating act. She will want the relief of losing herself in the actual act. She does the act and I say, “good girl” and all is well.

Suppose I make her stand at attention and tell her how she is a slut, bitch, cunt and her only purpose in life is to serve. I tell her that she is helpless to be any other way and she knows it. I ask her if she knows it. She nods tearfully. I pull her hair, a pop or two on her naked skin with a crop as I speak until she is trembling.   
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This was the only example I caught regarding what humiliation MIGHT be.  I would like to remind people that one person’s humiliation is another person’s gentle tease.
 
I do not like statements that make sweeping generalizations like ‘humiliating a sub makes her feel…”  What ever makes a person feel anything…varies from person to person.
 
With regard to humiliation; I love it…but find I am not at all into name-calling, which to me borders on abuse.  Humiliation for some might simply be being to to ‘spread ‘em!’    <huge grins>  I find it sad that we did not first define humiliation before we began discussing our feelings regarding the practice.
 
I have said this before, but perhaps it bears repeating:  EVERYTHING is relative! 
 
MsB


Well, son of a gun, how dare you disagree with me? Heh.

Seriously, it is relative. Some submissives I would never humiliate, some I would never cane, some I would never flog, some I would never introduce to threesomes, some I would never, never, never all day.




therealboss -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 4:34:51 AM)

hmmmmmm,,,,,,know he or she is allowing me to get away with it makes me smile,and why not?[sm=crop.gif]getting the person to post the picture to a house next door to where they live,that is if a picture has been taken[sm=bust.gif]my best one was when this guy ask me to do the worst thing i can think of to him after i took a picture of him licking my arse [sm=biggrin.gif]




therealboss -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 4:36:27 AM)

knowing was what i meant to say[sm=biggrin.gif]




openmindedslave -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 4:51:50 AM)

Would anybody disagree that slaves and subs make it rather easy to humilate when they are seeking to have it done to them.. The challenge may be to discover this trait and expose it in a slave.(Which actual is probably a far more powerful experence for many subs/slaves to discover in them anyway)
But you constantly read of  slaves,  particularly male ones,that will meet strangers in motel rooms on a moments notice in  a strip down postion and willing to service strangers because they crave to be used. Or Mistresses that will in a mall  have a slave walk into  a victoria secrets to tell the woman that they have been sent in by their Mistress to tell the young lady that they need help finding a pair of pink bra and panties for themselves.
Humilation play is one thing when your behind closed doors, but when you go into public play ,especially in a vanilla setting , that really takes it to the next level. Even its the classic shopping experience in a mall when the Dom has a loud and heated argument with their slave and actually slaps them in a public place.Specially when its a Female dom smacking a male slave in the middle of a food court for all to see..

Public exposure can come back to haunt a person but yet that seems to be a turn on when you can take it from behind closed doors and expose the slaves weakness to the world..Does anyone else have feelings on this matter?




therealboss -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 5:00:24 AM)

lol,i wont want to be arrested if he thinks i have gone too far,besides,am doing the humiliating,not get it,imaging the people looking at you,in that situation,the dom is the one who will be humiliated




openmindedslave -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 5:22:49 AM)

Well think about public play ..Who really gets the bad end of it in public play ..the giver or the taker? If its a guy, it makes him look like a whip or if he gives it out hes also punished as a n abuser
For a woman instructing humilation in public is really the best combination.. Woman have advantage over a male doing it in our society..




ameha21 -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 5:26:34 AM)

i agree with mastermataeo completely....thats pretty much exactly how i feel about it.....i humiliate my slaves to show them their place, and they love it. they suffer more not being humiliated/abused than the worst thing that can be done for them. 




openmindedslave -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 5:41:21 AM)

Always  if you touch their mind , you will do more for them than ever breaking the skin would do..




chellekitty -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 6:49:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

Well think about public play ..Who really gets the bad end of it in public play ..the giver or the taker? If its a guy, it makes him look like a whip or if he gives it out hes also punished as a n abuser
For a woman instructing humilation in public is really the best combination.. Woman have advantage over a male doing it in our society..


or the public who didn't agree to be a part of your scene?




hardbodysub -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 7:11:44 AM)

It's all about control for me. Humiliating situations can be exciting to me only because they emphasize her control over me, my helplessness to resist virtually anything she wants.




CalifChick -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 1:57:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cntrolmeplease

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Bingo.  With me it's damaging.  But I've noticed that people have different definitions of humiliation.  I don't find grunge fucking humiliating... I was reading a thread elsewhere that basically asked subs if they liked it when their Dom said "shut up and spread your legs" and something like 20 pages of responses all said "HOT HOT HOT".  One in particular fondly comes to mind... she woke up to find that he had put his hand on her mouth and said "Not a word missy". Oh myyyyyyyyyy.

Um, sorry, I digress.

Sharon


Sharon,
Do you have the link to that thread by any chance?


It's from another site, I guess you could say a competitor (and one in which I recognize some of the same people as here).  I'll drop a message to your inbox with a link.




Tigrita -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 2:35:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

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ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

Well think about public play ..Who really gets the bad end of it in public play ..the giver or the taker? If its a guy, it makes him look like a whip or if he gives it out hes also punished as a n abuser
For a woman instructing humilation in public is really the best combination.. Woman have advantage over a male doing it in our society..


or the public who didn't agree to be a part of your scene?



I've never really understood why some people object to light 'scening' in public.  Public places are free domain to everyone to be themselves, as long as it is  nothing illegal.  Innocent bystanders have the right to ignore, flee, even judge if they choose to, but we are all exposed to things we might rather not be exposed to all the time in public; smoking, screaming children, offensive conversations, we don't all have the right and responsibility to control or limit what goes on in public as either participants or observers.  You're one of the people I admire most on the boards chelle, so i'm not trying to knock you down, just trying to get where you're coming from.  Could you explain why this bothers you (other than illegal activities in public or activities that are actively, directly, personally offensive or exploitative of innocent bystanders)? 

And RE humility of doms, I didn't mean active humiliation, just humility in general is important to me to see in doms.  I agree that if a dominant desired active humiliation I wouldn't want to see it if it were my partner who I was submissive to.  That brings another thought to mind.  I'm a switch in a poly relationship with a dominant man and a slave girl, and it is extra humiliating to me to be humiliated in front of the slave who I am dominant to, and sometimes I wonder if this affects the dynamic or how she sees me, but it hasn't come up as a conversation yet.  Should bring that up... 




IrishMist -> RE: Humiliation (11/9/2007 2:39:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deine

What is the appeal of humiliation for you?


It's a huge turn on. Don't know why, it just is.

/shrug




therealboss -> RE: Humiliation (11/12/2007 4:34:44 PM)

not in my eyes,but i reserve my judgement




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