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subfever -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/6/2007 11:24:31 PM)

Hey RO, if Paul can manage to get himself elected, do you think the PTB will let him live?




Owner59 -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/6/2007 11:31:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: awmslave

US needs somebody like Ron Paul for president. Regrettably most people do not understand the need for serious change in Washington.
Or if they do, they falsley belive that Ms. Clinton or Mr. Juliani would change things towards better.



By all most all measures,Bill Clinton did pretty well,as did the US.Hillary could do just as well.And why not?


Why not?

HillaryCare ver 2.0 is reason enough to vote against her. Our healthcare system will truely be in the crapper when she's through with it.

And what has Hillary done that qualifies her to be President? She's never ran a business. She's never done ANYTHING concerning foreign policy. She's a crooked lawyer.



International Experience: Clinton's years in the White House involved many overseas trips and the hosting of dignitaries from around the world. She and daughter Chelsea made an unprecedented tour of Africa in 1997. In the Senate, Clinton has been involved in foreign policy issues through her assignment to the Senate Armed Services Committee and her significant involvement with Homeland Security issues

She's never done ANYTHING concerning foreign policy.
 


Neither has Rudy or Mitt .Aren`t they 1, and 2?




Owner59 -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/6/2007 11:33:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Its hard to grasp how a constitutionalist is injecting truth while rambling about our democracy.  If you read the document, you wil note that the constitution creates a republic, not a democracy....


Ahh,word games...




luckydog1 -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/6/2007 11:36:28 PM)

Really, you do not see an actuall difference between the 2 forms of Government?  I expect a Constitutionalist to be very precise with language when speaking about Government and Law...




Owner59 -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/6/2007 11:53:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Really, you do not see an actuall difference between the 2 forms of Government?  I expect a Constitutionalist to be very precise with language when speaking about Government and Law...


  We are a constitutionally limited,democratic republic.

What`s the big mystery here?The word games and samantics are for people w/ to much free time on their hands.





luckydog1 -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/7/2007 12:02:58 AM)

"The old rhetoric in a democracy, that the people ARE the government
and thus are ruling themselves, is as popularly accepted as it is
insane. It's quite delusional to think that when Congress bosses you
around, you really ARE in charge. "

owner59 you are free to not comment on my posts if it is such a waste of time.  Seems odd that you wouldThe above quote is the start of this thread, and shows that the poster doesn't really have a clue what the Constituion says or what the founders intended, despite claiming to be and support a Constitutionalist specifically Ron Paul.  By the way the founders absolutly intended Congress to be in charge, Washington killed people for disobeying Congress(whiskey rebellion).  The founders in no way wanted every individual to be in charge.  That is Anarchy, not a limited democratic republic.




Real0ne -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/7/2007 1:31:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subfever

Hey RO, if Paul can manage to get himself elected, do you think the PTB will let him live?


no




NeedToUseYou -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/7/2007 2:34:41 AM)

While I don't agree with everthing in the OP.
The one reason he has my vote is because he is the only one thinking about monetary policy in longterm manner. The rest of the Repubs all want to expand our military, further throwing us into debt and don't want to address our real economic issues at all, and then say even as they increase the military and talk of even invading Iran, that they will lower taxes, and fix the budget(fantasy land). That is unacceptable to me. The leading democrat, hillary, is only talking of raising taxes, is throwing some  Iran rhetoric around herself, while at the same time offering nothing at all in regards to Iraq(trillions).

That's the primary reason. Monetary policy. We are broke, and no one else is speaking to this fact. I'm foremost a economic conservative. When you are broke and in war, most likely a long term war(unless Paul wins), you don't talk of spending more money, it's friggin ridiculous. Now if Hillary was saying, I'll reduce the military by gettting us out of numerous useless locations around the world we inhabit with military bases protecting us against no threat, and left the ones were there may be a legitimate threat(hell leave some in South Korea, why have a base in germany?), fine. And use those saving to supplement healthcare. I'd look at her. But she is just wanting to spend, and all the savings are theoritical paper savings, that aren't sure to materialize. That is the problem, constant expansion, and zero contraction in expenses.  So, when given a choice between someone that will certainly increase taxes and government spending, and not reduce anything, versuse a candidate that will do something to reduce expenses, I choice reduce expenses(Ron Paul),  as president can pull a lot of the military back that is in England, or Germany, or other locations that offer no protection to the us at all. Sure there are tangent benefits like refueling, but whatever that is not the reason the bases are there.


That is really his appeal, to a lot of people, no one else is offering a plan that is based on reducing expenses. All other plans are based on either taxing more(hillary), or based on the presumption of theoritcal savings(hillary), or just made up(rest of repubs).

If a candidate wanted to absorb a good portion of the Ron Paul vote (dem or repub), that is what they should be addressing, they won't get the vote any other way, they just won't vote, or will vote for a non frontrunner to spite them(dems and repubs).






Durus -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/7/2007 3:44:10 PM)

I respect your reasoning. I don't agree with all of it but I still respect it. While I wholehartedly respect the constitution, things have to be fixed carefully or it could easily break and not be able to be fixed.




Real0ne -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/8/2007 6:47:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Durus

I respect your reasoning. I don't agree with all of it but I still respect it. While I wholehartedly respect the constitution, things have to be fixed carefully or it could easily break and not be able to be fixed.


Dont get me wrong, i do not agree with everything RP stands for by a long shot, however I believe he has a grasp on what is fundamentally wrong with the system, much of what was implemented well over 100 years ago and never corrected.  Much that has flown under the radar that keeps us trimming the leaves and wondering why we cannot irradicate the roots if you know what I mean.




popeye1250 -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/8/2007 2:00:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: awmslave

US needs somebody like Ron Paul for president. Regrettably most people do not understand the need for serious change in Washington.
Or if they do, they falsley belive that Ms. Clinton or Mr. Juliani would change things towards better.



By all most all measures,Bill Clinton did pretty well,as did the US.Hillary could do just as well.And why not?


Why not?

HillaryCare ver 2.0 is reason enough to vote against her. Our healthcare system will truely be in the crapper when she's through with it.

And what has Hillary done that qualifies her to be President? She's never ran a business. She's never done ANYTHING concerning foreign policy. She's a crooked lawyer.



International Experience: Clinton's years in the White House involved many overseas trips and the hosting of dignitaries from around the world. She and daughter Chelsea made an unprecedented tour of Africa in 1997. In the Senate, Clinton has been involved in foreign policy issues through her assignment to the Senate Armed Services Committee and her significant involvement with Homeland Security issues

She's never done ANYTHING concerning foreign policy.
 


Neither has Rudy or Mitt .Aren`t they 1, and 2?


Owner, ah, I've taken many foreign trips too.
But neither me nor Hillary Clinton was an elected public official.
And what type of "experience" is anyone going to get touring third world countries with their hands out? "Unprecedented?" What does that mean?
If you remember she was going around promising everyone foreign aid! The Congress didn't see it like she did.
That's what she is, a crooked lawyer!




subfever -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/8/2007 2:16:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: subfever

Hey RO, if Paul can manage to get himself elected, do you think the PTB will let him live?


no



Neither do I.

But I've finally decided between Paul and Kucinich today. I like Kucinich. He has balls for such a little guy, and I admire some things he's done in the past. If Paul weren't running, I'd probably support Kucinich.

I don't agree with everything Paul stands for. However, I think he's more focused on key fundamentals, and more likely to get the masses thinking about what the right direction should be. So I've sent my check to Paul.




MasterDoc1 -> RE: Why I'm Supporting Ron Paul (11/8/2007 3:03:52 PM)

subfever: thanks for getting on board. Kucinich is just not catching fire and is outfinanced by Hillary AND Obama by 100 to 1. Supporting him now (for those out there who are) might make sense if you don't like Paul's domestic agenda. But in a month or two when the situation is even clearer please rethink the situation.

It's simple: Ron Paul and peace or anyone else and endless war.




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