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cyberdude611 -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/6/2007 10:03:39 PM)
I'd be interested in knowing the demographics of who is donating to Ron Paul. I have a feeling the majority are under age 40... the youth is notorious for poor turnouts on election day. Perhaps that's the reason the polls arnt giving him much traction. These public opinion polls are of likely voters. Statistically, especially people under age 30, have a very low chance of being a "likely voter." And that democraphic is rarely given much weight in polls. And it is true. Only 17% of people between the ages of 18 and 29 went to vote in 2004 despite the strong push in schools and on networks like MTV.

Owner59 -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/6/2007 10:04:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 He could beat her. Got some prime beachfront property for you in Barstow. Of course, the tide will be out when you go for the walk-through.... ? <reference flies right over my head> Beach front real estate`s going to be submerged under sea water soon enough,anyway...

MasterDoc1 -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in campaign contributions,yeste (11/6/2007 10:17:56 PM)
Lord and Master: First of all, he is running much better in most polls than 1%. Secondly, for SEVERAL reasons the polls will ALWAYS undercount his support greatly. The reasons include his greater support among the tech-savvy (who CAN'T get called in a poll becase they ONLY have cellphones...which are NOT called). Then you need to realize that young people who have never voted before are not counted. Then you note that anyone who was an independent who registered republican in order to vote for him isn't counted either. Not to mention all the anti-war democrats who did the same.And those who registered to vote for him although they didn't bother to vote at all in recent elections. The latest pol in NH (BEFORE he spent any money) had him at 7.4%. And as I said that is an undercount of what he has BEFORE he spends money.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in campaign contributions,yeste (11/6/2007 10:28:33 PM)
Well you raised a good point.... How many Democrats gave him money? Democrats can't vote for in the Republican primary in most states......And neither can independants. You have to be a registered Republican to vote for Ron Paul.

TheHeretic -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/6/2007 10:31:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Got some prime beachfront property for you in Barstow. Of course, the tide will be out when you go for the walk-through.... ? <reference flies right over my head> From Wikipedia Route 66 ran through Barstow and the town's name is mentioned in the lyrics to the song, "Route 66" and in the Black Eyed Peas song "Like That" as Will.I.Am raps that he "(has) a style that's way out like Barstow" commenting on Barstow's distance from the BEP's home city of Los Angeles. Barstow is also mentioned in Hunter S. Thompson's novel Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, in Quentin Tarantino's film Kill Bill Vol. II, and in numerous other films and television shows. Sheryl Crow also makes reference to Barstow, CA in her song Leaving Las Vegas... "Used to be I could drive up to Barstow for the night Find some crossroad trucker To demonstrate his might But these days it seems Nowhere is far enough away So Im leaving las vegas today" Seemed like a pretty low toss to me...

Owner59 -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/6/2007 11:11:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Got some prime beachfront property for you in Barstow. Of course, the tide will be out when you go for the walk-through.... ? <reference flies right over my head> From Wikipedia Route 66 ran through Barstow and the town's name is mentioned in the lyrics to the song, "Route 66" and in the Black Eyed Peas song "Like That" as Will.I.Am raps that he "(has) a style that's way out like Barstow" commenting on Barstow's distance from the BEP's home city of Los Angeles. Barstow is also mentioned in Hunter S. Thompson's novel Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, in Quentin Tarantino's film Kill Bill Vol. II, and in numerous other films and television shows. Sheryl Crow also makes reference to Barstow, CA in her song Leaving Las Vegas... "Used to be I could drive up to Barstow for the night Find some crossroad trucker To demonstrate his might But these days it seems Nowhere is far enough away So Im leaving las vegas today" Seemed like a pretty low toss to me... Never heard it. Stick with, "buying the Brooklyn Bridge". Never fails.

subfever -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in campaign contributions,yeste (11/6/2007 11:16:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 You have to be a registered Republican to vote for Ron Paul. Yes, that could prove to be a problem for registered Democrats and Independents.

subfever -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in campaign contributions,yeste (11/6/2007 11:19:16 PM)
Straw Poll Date Rank Votes South Sound Ronald Reagan Republican Club, Tacoma, WA 11/01/2007 1 37.7% Springfield Metropolitan Republican Club, Springfield, MO 11/01/2007 1 77.3% Laramie County GOP Straw Poll, Cheyenne, WY 10/28/2007 1 TBD Values Voter Straw Poll, Washington, DC 10/20/2007 3 15.0% Conservative Leadership Conference, Reno, Nevada 10/13/2007 1 33.0% Jefferson County, Alabama Straw Poll 10/13/2007 1 57.8% Washington State Republican Party Fall Dinner Straw Poll 10/11/2007 4 12.2% Tulsa State Fair, Oklahoma 10/07/2007 1 41.5% Oregon Straw Poll- Portland, Oregon 10/06/2007 1 67.0% Gwinnett County GOP, Atlanta, Georgia 9/30/2007 1 36.2% CWA New Jersey GOP Straw Poll 9/29/2007 1 77.0% South Sound Ronald Reagan Republican Club, Tacoma, WA 9/26/2007 1

Lordandmaster -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in campaign contributions,yeste (11/7/2007 12:30:27 AM)
First of all, you're wrong: he's running at 1-5% in every state poll I can find. The latest poll in New Hampshire has him at 1%. See for yourself here: http://www.presidentpolls2008.com/primary-election-poll-results/new-hampshire-democratic-republican-polls.html They have several polls there going back months. If anything, support for Paul in New Hampshire seems to be DROPPING. The idea that polls underestimate Ron Paul because his supporters only have cell phones is too absurd even to refute. Anyway, there's no point in arguing any of this. Time will tell. quote: ORIGINAL: MasterDoc1 Lord and Master: First of all, he is running much better in most polls than 1%. Secondly, for SEVERAL reasons the polls will ALWAYS undercount his support greatly. The reasons include his greater support among the tech-savvy (who CAN'T get called in a poll becase they ONLY have cellphones...which are NOT called). [snip] The latest pol in NH (BEFORE he spent any money) had him at 7.4%. And as I said that is an undercount of what he has BEFORE he spends money.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 1:50:01 AM)
I gave a 100.00 yesterday on the 5th to Ron Paul. and I plan to give during most of the future scheduled money bombs. I've also but several hundred dollars worth of ron paul stuff, and most importantly converted more than a few people, none of which have been polled yet, they'd tell if they were. I love all those getting mad, and calling him names. (kook, nutter, kool-aid drinker), whatever. I've never saw so much support in my life gather around preserving huge inefficient, federal bueracracy before. You'd think the crashing dollar would make people at least interested in monetary policy, but people are still just focused on welfare state politics. And they say I'm the kook, LOL. People need to step back I think and evaluate what exactly are they trying to protect when they attack him. (And I don't have a problem with disagreements, but with name calling, kooks, nutters, etc, are not words used in rational convos, they are words used by people that have no argument, or ones based on misinformation from what I've seen, and national media organization putting out stories with zero facts, but full of subtle slights is not news, but blatant bias.) I also almost have my Ron Paul website done. I'll post a link here so all the haters, can bask in the light of Saint Paul(LOL) in one convenient location. Essentially I'm just merging all the Ron Paul stuff in one location. Radio,Video,News, Fundraising, blogs, DVD downloads or purchases, Audio Cd's, ect.. Scheduling. Essentially a one stop for Ron Paul, instead of having to go to google news, then go to youtube to look up videos, then go to ronpaul2008 to see fundraising numbers, just put it all in one spot. At least that is the goal, got the you tube thing done, and news thing, and radio, now working on the link database. HEHE..... I'm a nutter, rather be a nutter than a basher anyday of the week.

subrob1967 -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 5:57:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Your analysis is amateurish. 1st, bush is using those EOs now,with impunity. 2nd,you aren`t a fortune teller,and have no clue how Paul would govern. My feeling is that he`s act like a president and restore the rule of law.For me,that would be enough,and all he`d have to do. Talk about amateurish, wake up and smell reality, Paul has a 1% chance of getting elected, and zero chance of getting policy pushed thru congress. Bush is using EO's because he knows the Dems won't vote for his policy, but he at least has some support from the neocons in congress. Lets go point by point, shall we... Immigration... I LOVE his idea, but he'll gather no support in congress for sealing the borders, and immigration reforms. Independence... Again, I LOVE his ideas to kill NAFTA, CAFTA, et al. But once again, with congress bought off with special interests, the issue is dead in the water. Debt & Taxes... How many Dems will go along with MORE tax cuts? Nary a one. Privacy & personal liberty... He might get some watered down version of his policy passed here, but I wouldn't hold my breath. War & foreign policy...He wants to recall all troops stationed on foreign soil, awesome, but... He wants us to continue giving foreign aid, without the U.S. military in theatre in case of lets say... A foreign government taking one of our embassie's personel hostage for 444 days. Sorry Charlie, we need the big stick now more than ever. Life & liberty... He wants to stop abortion, and overturn Roe v Wade...Do I need to go here? Social Security... Again awesome ideas, but can he actually stop congress from using SS income for the general fund? I think not. We could go on and on, but whats the point? Until we get rid of all the scum sucking incumbents (Mr's Kennedy & Kerry in your neck of the woods) a guy like Paul, who is for real reform, has no chance of reforming a damn thing.

Alumbrado -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 6:02:25 AM)
quote: Talk about amateurish, wake up and smell reality, Paul has a 1% chance of getting elected, and zero chance of getting policy pushed thru congress. And what are the chances of the status quo changing if any of the other candidates are elected?

Alumbrado -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 6:05:05 AM)
quote: Ron Paul is this year's Howard Dean. He put together a very powerful internet campaign and raised lots of money.... but he can't transform that into true votes. I suspect that the bulk of the donations came from Radiohead fans who had money to spare after not paying for the online CD... and you are right, those slackers won't show up to actually vote for Paul either. [;)]

farglebargle -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 10:24:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: Ron Paul is this year's Howard Dean. He put together a very powerful internet campaign and raised lots of money.... but he can't transform that into true votes. I suspect that the bulk of the donations came from Radiohead fans who had money to spare after not paying for the online CD... and you are right, those slackers won't show up to actually vote for Paul either. [;)] You are aware that the Radiohead experiment was an UNQUALIFIED SUCCESS, as Radiohead THEMSELVES pocketed over 2.8 MILLION DOLLARS from the direct-to-consumer-please-leave-a-tip-if-you-like-it model. That's 2.8 Million Dollars more than they would have made just letting it get distributed by EMI. What's 2.8 Million USD converted to Euros, and then split 6 ways? The reason Votes don't match Popular Sentiment is that the Votes are rigged to present a predetermined result. Like Pro Wrasslin.

Sanity -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 10:27:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou I gave a 100.00 yesterday on the 5th to Ron Paul. and I plan to give during most of the future scheduled money bombs. "Money bombs"? Would you care to explain what is meant by that term?

mnottertail -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 10:31:04 AM)
general reply: I bet his campaign accountants do. Ron

Sanity -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 10:39:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail general reply: I bet his campaign accountants do. Ron I'm thinking that all of his supporters were told to contribute on that day for the free publicity it would generate, that it was a publicity stunt, and that's what was meant by the term "money bomb(s)". A follow up question would be, how do you take anyone seriously who is forced to stoop to such Mickey Mouse publicity stunts

farglebargle -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 10:46:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail general reply: I bet his campaign accountants do. Ron I'm thinking that all of his supporters were told to contribute on that day for the free publicity it would generate, that it was a publicity stunt, and that's what was meant by the term "money bomb(s)". A follow up question would be, how do you take anyone seriously who is forced to stoop to such Mickey Mouse publicity stunts How do you take seriously someone who asks people for $1000.00 per person to appear at a fund-raising event? How do you take seriously someone who accepts money from Companies, who have no vote? How do you take seriously *ANY* Politician?

Alumbrado -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 1:09:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: Ron Paul is this year's Howard Dean. He put together a very powerful internet campaign and raised lots of money.... but he can't transform that into true votes. I suspect that the bulk of the donations came from Radiohead fans who had money to spare after not paying for the online CD... and you are right, those slackers won't show up to actually vote for Paul either. [;)] You are aware that the Radiohead experiment was an UNQUALIFIED SUCCESS, as Radiohead THEMSELVES pocketed over 2.8 MILLION DOLLARS from the direct-to-consumer-please-leave-a-tip-if-you-like-it model. That's 2.8 Million Dollars more than they would have made just letting it get distributed by EMI. What's 2.8 Million USD converted to Euros, and then split 6 ways? The reason Votes don't match Popular Sentiment is that the Votes are rigged to present a predetermined result. Like Pro Wrasslin. Playing for tips isn't an 'unqualified success' in any professional musician's vocabulary. [:D] And being stiffed by 2/3s of your patrons isn't good to anyone who does work for tips. quote: "While the band, its fans and artists alike are celebrating what looks like a success for Radiohead's bold move in releasing their new album using the 'pay what you'd like' model, I think everybody has overlooked one very important aspect of this, and it doesn't bode well for the future of the music industry," says Michael Laskow, CEO of TAXI, the world's leading independent A&R (Artist and Repertoire) company. "Radiohead has been bankrolled by their former label for the last 15 years. They've built a fan base in the millions with their label, and now they're able to cash in on that fan base with none of the income or profit going to the label this time around. That's great for the band and for fans who paid less than they would under the old school model. But at some point in the not too distant future, the music industry will run out of artists who have had major label support in helping them build a huge fan base. The question is: how will new artists be able to use this model in the future if they haven't built a fan base in the millions in the years leading up to the release of their album under the pay what you'd like model?" http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/11-05-2007/0004697768&EDATE=

farglebargle -> RE: Does anyone know that Ron Paul brought in over 4 million dollars in contributions,yesterday? (11/7/2007 1:12:06 PM)
The flaw in that hypothesis is that labels don't build fanbases. Performers build fanbases. e.g.: The Grateful Dead, Sarah Brightman, The Blue Man Group.

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