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hammerthrower -> RE: Submissive role models (11/8/2007 5:30:10 PM)
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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
Any good looking breed of large dog should provide a useful example I feel
- loyal, loving, appreciative
- knows who the Alpha bitch is, and that she's head of the pack
- will serve, please and protect the Alpha bitch to the death
- has glossy coat
though that is perhaps the limit of the example. Other features may be available on male homo sapiens which are not available on a dog which make him preferable.
ability to cook, for example
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This is an interesting way to look at it. But it still begs the question: What kind of a "man" does a femdom want? Unfortunately, it's hard to find role models who are submissive in popular culture - I mean, I know there are, but I can't think of any. I am thinking what it probably entails is a man who is not submissive (necessarily) but is SUBMITTING, and does it with character and pride. I'll think on this a few days and come up with examples.
But as an example by turning it around, you could say "femdom role models" do come in popular culture. A couple that come to mind all reflect a different "style" but each dominates a man in some way:
Susan Sarandon as Annie Savoy in "Bull Durham" - playful, demanding, vulnerable
Linda Floren-whatshername in "Last Seduction" - cruel, relentless, cold, sexual
Catwoman!! In the old Batman tv show - seductive, cool, self confident
...hell, even Alyson Hannigan's chracter in "American Pie"
OH! Here's one for the "submissive role model" category, in an abstract way. Edward Scissorhands.
How about Elijah Wood's character in The Lord of the Rings - but only if you pretend the other hobbit he protects is a woman? (reaching).
Lloyd Dobler (John Cusack) in "Say Anything."
Anyone see it?
Akasha
FemDom rolemodels abound in popular, recent, media. Portraying women as anything other than powerful, self-directed, independent and strong would piss off too many people, namely the feminists. Women watch TONS of dramatic, narrative TV, and they'd be writing in droves if there were too many wimpy, submissive female characters. In fact, I'd bet that's how we got to this point in the first place. All those Feminism 101 classes sure paid off: they created legions of angry women armed with Gloria Steinem quotes and a well-trained nose to sniff out negative portrayals of women--and a rage to inspire them to write.
Just spend a week paying attention to TV ads, for example. The male is ALWAY portrayed as stupid, weak, childish, a goofball. They are not all like that. When they don't have the right microwave popcorn, their date sits at the far end of the couch. When they get smart, and BUY the right popcorn, their date is seen snuggling up to them. Moral: purchase this product and you will be accepted by the opposite sex.
Cars. When a man drives a car, it's about a guy driving a car. When a woman is seen driving a car, it's about freedom, power, control, taking the fullest from life and enjoying it. Different sell. Big difference.
Thumb through a magazine. A mother and child are playing. Where's the father? Page after page, you get the idea that the modern notion of family is "woman with her kids."
If you take submissive to mean "not dominant," male role models of this kind are plentiful. Droves of men on TV are not in control, and peppered with human frailty. Women might be protrayed as caught in a conflict of conscience, for example, BUT (big but) they are invariably young, pretty, smart, and merely responding to external negatives. In the end, they are innocent.
My favorite is cinematic film. When was the last time you saw a female villain that was evil just for the sake of being evil? There's always an "out" for them--something bad happened in their lives, they are just responding the best they can as damaged individuals. Male antagonists are evil without explanation--they were just born that way. Their very nature is evil. Women's nature, however, is unequivocably pure and good.
As a corollary to the above point, how many times have you seen a movie where countless men (henchmen, "bad" guys) are easily slaughtered by the protagonist. Even the monsters and the aliens are male--and all pure evil, with no room for understanding, redemption, depth. How many men does Steven Segal handily kill in every movie? How many women are killed in those movies. (none)
So, if you're of the variety that thinks men in general are worthless, or exist for women's purposes, are disposable, exist to be used in any way, then just about ALL the role models are "good" role models.
But I think what women really want is for some gorgeous hunk like Mel Gibson to be submissive. I mean, what guy wouldn't want to give up everything that he's worked hard for? Society (women) wants ment to be successful. So they spend their lives working toward that ideal. Then, when they attain that, a woman wants them to be submissive, which is in complete contradiction to the principles and strategies it took to get him where he is.
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