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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/9/2007 7:43:43 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


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Status: offline 		Nah!..Some just like to define things to death...there have been debates with definitions on doormat,true,subs vs slaves,ad infinitum..and then the wheel goes round and round and round and round....~aww shoot!!~..now I have that awful song stuck in my head!!..~the wheels of the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round~....eekk make it stop!!!.....Tempting

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/9/2007 11:58:50 PM   
fsub4use


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Status: offline 		Thank you, Midnight Maiden.... i was reading the posts and thinking.... arent we just talking about appreciation?  How about Thank You.... when i say, Thank You after a swat, i mean it.  i am so grateful that Someone will put His / Her time and energy into me, that that Person will share their abilities in a way that brings me pleasure, that my Thank You has gratitude as the power behind it.... they are not mere words....

i recognize that i can dominate someone for about half an hour every now and then... beyond that, it is wayyyyyyyyyy too complicated and creative for me.  So, i appreciate that some people have been given a gift from the universe - that gift is domination - and others have been given a different gift from the universe - that of submission.   It is one of those natural gifts like a perfect ear for music or the ability to paint... Yes, they are both gifts in that way....i am the steward of my gift, and when the One comes along, it is my duty to offer it and live within its boundaries as He defines them.  AND it is my duty to appreciate the gift of the universe of my One who will be sharing HIS gift of which HE is the steward. 

However, the other side of the "gift" is that i dont want to throw my pearls before swine.  If a sub practices submission with someone who will harm her, not only has she been stupid, but she has also harmed Master's property, and that just won't do. One is reality, the other is theory.... Yeah, i know it is rather a romantic notion, but it is my belief, and i refuse to give it up.... so i protect my gift - practically and philosophically... and i appreciate the gifts in front of me when i am lucky enough to experience them.

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/10/2007 5:13:29 AM   
kimba1


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Status: offline 		MidnightMaiden's words resonate strongly with me. In the dynamic between me and my Master, I cannot help but submit to Him, i am His slave, i don't act it, i just am it, with every fibre of my being. But to my Master--and after all, He is the only judge in my world, the only One whose opinion matters--He considers my submission to be a gift to be taken by Him. Who am I to argue? I consider myself lucky and proud in the extreme to have found someone who loves and desires me for exactly who i am, no pretense, no hiding, and someone whom i love and desire for exactly who He is. Labels just don't matter.

oops, pressed wrong button, this was in reply to MidnightMaiden, but no matter! smiles ...

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/10/2007 7:21:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GrizzlyBear

You gave him the flower, it was a gift, you do not care what he does with it.  He throws it away, he sleeps with it under his pillow, no big deal, right?  And you expect nothing in return, right?

Would you feel the same way about your submission, if he just threw it away?  I think not.  You expect something in return.  You expect in return his domination.  Therfore, it is not a gift it is an exchange.  A power exchange.  That is why it is called, a power exchange relationship.



Ditto!
Forgive me Mod11 but it is hard to add anything more - this is so well said~

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/10/2007 9:13:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub
~aww shoot!!~..now I have that awful song stuck in my head!!..~the wheels of the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round~....eekk make it stop!!!.....Tempting


Here's the story, of a lovely lady
who was bringing up three very lovely girls ...


Always willing to help :)

Respectfully,

Amy



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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/10/2007 10:25:10 PM   
TemptingNviceSub


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Status: offline 		..Thanks!!!.........~wink~ Tempting

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/10/2007 10:37:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: downkitty

quote:

ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub
~aww shoot!!~..now I have that awful song stuck in my head!!..~the wheels of the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round~....eekk make it stop!!!.....Tempting


Here's the story, of a lovely lady
who was bringing up three very lovely girls ...


Always willing to help :)

Respectfully,

Amy





Arrrrghh!!!!  Damn you both!!!

As for the gift thing...some people think their submission is a gift...some dominants think submission is a gift....and some do not.  I do not see my submission as a gift.  I can't imagine he is getting more out of this than I am.  Sometimes it doesn't seem fair how much I receive.  As a result, I feel I can never give him enough.

Now, as for those songs...let me just tell you I have spent the last few hours in a hotel room that, unbeknownst to me, was directly above a Mexican wedding reception.  My room has been boom boom booming from Mariachi music and really bad "Santana Wannabe's" for the last 6 hours. Either of your songs is a welcome treat right now!  Whew, my ears are bleeding...

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/11/2007 8:21:51 AM   
SteelofUtah


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ORIGINAL: Aceton

It's pretty easy really. There are a whole bunch of submissive types running around thinking that they are doing Doms a favor by being a submissive. Fact of the matter is, being a Dom can be hard work, how much hard work it is depends on the submissive, life issues, and a plethora of other possible factors.

Calling your submission a 'gift' makes it sound a wee bit like the Dom should be oh so greatful that you deigned to allow him to spend several hours sending you into your sweet little sub space trip, or whatever it is he does for you.

You don't see male subs claiming their submission as a gift anywhere near as much, in fact they often PAY to give their 'gift' away. Is their 'gift' somehow different from a female subs, or are the old economic laws of supply and demand kicking in? (Keep in mind, even though male subs have a hard time finding female dommes who will give them the time of day, it is often equally hard, if not harder for a female sub to sift through the multitude of players, horny net geeks, and plain assholes who call themselves Doms to find the sort of fellow who can be not just a Dom, but a good Dom.)

Bottom line, calling submission a gift often makes the submissive who does it seem kind of selfish and a possible abdicator of their responsibilities. AKA A spoiled, selfish princess.



In the 10+ years I have never heard a better explanination of why submission should not be considered a gift.

This is coming from someone who treats it like it is at times.

I really don't care a horses ass what it is called, the implications behind what it means to take another person as property and be responsible for thier well being is somthing that will be learned regardless of what you want to call that submission because I have yet to see a completely seemless relationship.

Aceton thank you for reminding me that no matter what you do there is always a phrase that can be turned and change a mind, no matter how stubborn it can be at times.

As Always

Steel

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/11/2007 11:48:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sure, submission is a gift...just like when Homer gave Marge that bowling ball.




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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/11/2007 12:10:46 PM   
SteelofUtah


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MissOchistic

Sure, submission is a gift...just like when Homer gave Marge that bowling ball.



And she went on and nearly had an affair on him with the Bowling Giggalo all because she was mad at Homer and in the end realized that he did love her just in his own way.

**I love the Simpsons**

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/12/2007 5:50:08 AM   
littlebitxxx


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Status: offline 		MidnightMaiden and GrizzlyBear have spoken well, in my opinion.  I do not "give" my Jarl my submission, he takes it.  I gave him myself.  If he wishes to regard me as a Free Companion, a submissive or a slave, so be it.  I just gave him me.

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/12/2007 11:13:51 AM   
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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/12/2007 4:42:52 PM   
eyesopened


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Status: offline 		my submission can't be a gift, it's just part of who i am.  i am smart and funny and kind.  Do i give the gift of humor or the gift of intelligence or the gift of kindness?  my being a submissive is no different for me than my being female but i have never heard anyone say they are giving the gift of femininity.



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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/12/2007 8:38:21 PM   
MasterofScyn


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Status: offline 		What does that one commercial say ...

"It's the GIFT that keeps on giving!!"

There'.... Problem solved...
 
(No I'm not saying that submission is a gift.. but.. well.. it does keep on giving..  )
 
I guess it's to the point to where people have to disect a simple word anymore. I still say is gift is how the person accepting it, accepts it. I didn't give my submission to Master as a gift, but that's how he accepted it. Everyone is different, I found my answer on a few different levels and it did give me alot to think about.
 
Thank you everyone who replied.

Scyn ~

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/12/2007 10:19:43 PM   
masterlink65


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Status: offline 		its not a christmas or birthday gift. it is a gift to show your love for you master, your need for his protection, wisdom, teachings, etc. it shows your master respect. masters expect a gift of affection from time to time. please your master, give him a gift. soften a hard limit. you can be creative. your master or mistress will charish it. 

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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/13/2007 3:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: trappedinamuseum

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ORIGINAL: Exquemelin

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ORIGINAL: MissMagnolia

How can someone "give" what they have already given?

If it aint gift wrapped, it aint a gift.
I'm in trouble then, I'm a terrible gift wrapper.



That's ok....they have professionals for that kind of thing.



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Repeat after me:

"Wal-Mart is wrong.
Wal-Mart is evil."

Repeat as necessary.


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RE: What is it w/ this Gift issue?!?! - 11/14/2007 2:35:51 PM   
masterlink65


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Status: offline 		i can give an example of the type of gift i like to recieve. my second slave bruno, had a hard limit against being pierced, but it also has a family situation of not being able to wear a neck collar 24/7. the hard limit was lifted, master allowed for compromise, and now slave bruno has a 6g PA and that serves as his 24/7 collar. to me,,, that took courage, and we are both happy.

masters are not looking for a new microwave or MP3 player, not looking for a gift you can wrap or slide under the door at night.

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