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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 4:35:03 AM   
julietsierra


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Status: offline 		I can tell you why I was attracted to my Master. He was intelligent. We had some great conversations. He was hot. His ideas meshed with mine. He was hot. He knew what he was talking about when it came to his ideas of bdsm and they matched what I was looking for. He was really hot. He was able to turn me on with a look (still can by the way). He didn't bluster. He was quick with a smile. I did mention he was hot, didn't I? He made me think. And later on, when he touched me... in addition to doing so in ways I'd never experienced before (I can't explain it, there was something in his touch that just thrilled me beyond anything I've ever felt before), he made me feel like I'd finally come home (can't explain this much either except to say that somewhere deep inside me, it felt like I'd known this man my entire life and beyond, and that I'd finally found him again after being away for eons.)

THAT'S why I was attracted to my Master...

wow...look at that! Not one reason that even remotely touched on genetic endowment, racial guilt, generalizing the entire African American male population, the need to make up for my ancestors, relive history or anything weird like that! 

As far as the sex... well, damn it all, curse me for being a healthy 48 year old woman for whom sex is a fundamental and necessary (isn't that redundant?) part of her life! Of COURSE our sexual compatibility was important - as it would be for whomever I was attracted to - black, white, purple with pink polka-dots! What a ridiculous concept that that wouldn't play a part and to make it somehow part of a black/white dilemma

SirEbonyPhoenix, I have wondered now for a while why you continue to question why you would be attractive to someone simply because they might be caucasian. And in round-about ways, you keep on asking this same thing. Why is it so difficult to believe that someone might simply LIKE you? For being YOU? Honestly, while I understand that there are a lot of strange people in this world (and yes, I've met them as well), people really CAN like someone else without that attraction being based on such things as insecurity, revenge, taboos, and the need to relive historical eras that they weren't a part of.

They can like you for simply being you y'know.

juliet

Edited to say that I wasn't posting in response to anyone in particular, other than the OP. I just used that box at the bottom.

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 4:43:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am confused why this issue is so much of a challenge out here..It is true that if somebody likes tall people or  likes well endowed (usually with a length included) in their profile rquest, they are being upfront on what they are seeking.Their being honest.And if we disagree with those interest, then we should just continue the search down the page.. I know one of my closes frineds is a Mistress and she would never want me for her own becasue I am not young enought for her taste.

We should admire the honesty and upfrontness of others here.Instead of getting hopes up and getting instead a nice reject email back saying  their not interested or ignored, they set  down their interest and limitations to all to read..

Is this really so bad?? Even if you don't agree with it , wouldn't you like to know upfront that you were really seeking?

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 4:47:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: openmindedslave

I am confused why this issue is so much of a challenge out here..It is true that if somebody likes tall people or  likes well endowed (usually with a length included) in their profile rquest, they are being upfront on what they are seeking.Their being honest.And if we disagree with those interest, then we should just continue the search down the page.. I know one of my closes frineds is a Mistress and she would never want me for her own becasue I am not young enought for her taste.

We should admire the honesty and upfrontness of others here.Instead of getting hopes up and getting instead a nice reject email back saying  their not interested or ignored, they set  down their interest and limitations to all to read..

Is this really so bad?? Even if you don't agree with it , wouldn't you like to know upfront that you were really seeking?


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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 7:18:22 AM   
SirEbonyPhoenix


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Status: offline 		In response to your question of me being attracted to subs/slaves of another race (and for that matter, to this post in general), let me put it this way in the following lyrics from a 1969 song called "Choice Of Colors" recorded by an R & B group called The Impressions (featuring the late Curtis Mayfield [1942-1999]):
 
Chorus 1:If you had a choice of colors
Which one would you choose, my brothers?
If there was no day or night
Which would prefer to be right?
 
Chorus 2 :And how long have you hated your white teacher?
Who told you to love your black preacher?
Do you respect your brother's woman friend?
And share with black folks not of kin?
 
People must move to the people
A better day is coming for you and for me
With just a little bit more education
And love for our nation would make a better society
 
 Now some of us would rather cuss and make a fuss
 Than to bring about a little trust
 But we shall overcome I do believe some day
 If you only listen to what I have to say
 
Repeat chorus 2 and repeat chorus 1

I hope this answered your question, but if not, c'est la vie.

 

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 7:34:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirEbonyPhoenix

In response to your question of me being attracted to subs/slaves of another race (and for that matter, to this post in general), let me put it this way in the following lyrics from a 1969 song called "Choice Of Colors" recorded by an R & B group called The Impressions (featuring the late Curtis Mayfield [1942-1999]):
 
Chorus 1:If you had a choice of colors
Which one would you choose, my brothers?
If there was no day or night
Which would prefer to be right?
 
Chorus 2 :And how long have you hated your white teacher?
Who told you to love your black preacher?
Do you respect your brother's woman friend?
And share with black folks not of kin?
 
People must move to the people
A better day is coming for you and for me
With just a little bit more education
And love for our nation would make a better society
 
 Now some of us would rather cuss and make a fuss
 Than to bring about a little trust
 But we shall overcome I do believe some day
 If you only listen to what I have to say
 
Repeat chorus 2 and repeat chorus 1

I hope this answered your question, but if not, c'est la vie.

 


First of all, I didn't ask you about who you were attracted to. I asked why you keep on asking why caucasians are attracted to African Americans, as if there is something wrong or to be answered for or something like that.

Secondly, in response to the question asked by the song, my answer would be neither, and my rationale for that would be to excerpt a part of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech...where he said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

You see, the color of someone's character is much more important to me than the color of their skin, so I'd never choose someone based on the amount of pigmentation they have - or don't have. It simply makes no sense to me. And that's why I am asking why you seem so anxious to discover why people are attracted to those who have darker skin color. I feel (and I may be wrong) like you're either trying to find out what's wrong with us (as if there is something inherently wrong with the choices we make), or what's wrong with you (and that'd be too bad if that's what it was).

juliet

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 10:00:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		BlkMadona I agree with you. If  more of us would leave the past in the past we would have a much better future. Some really need to read Dr. Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" and really read the words.

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 10:05:07 AM   
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First of all, I didn't ask you about who you were attracted to. I asked why you keep on asking why caucasians are attracted to African Americans, as if there is something wrong or to be answered for or something like that.

Secondly, in response to the question asked by the song, my answer would be neither, and my rationale for that would be to excerpt a part of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech...where he said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

You see, the color of someone's character is much more important to me than the color of their skin, so I'd never choose someone based on the amount of pigmentation they have - or don't have. It simply makes no sense to me. And that's why I am asking why you seem so anxious to discover why people are attracted to those who have darker skin color. I feel (and I may be wrong) like you're either trying to find out what's wrong with us (as if there is something inherently wrong with the choices we make), or what's wrong with you (and that'd be too bad if that's what it was).

juliet

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Absolutly, beautifully stated.

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 10:33:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		My main priority in finding a Master is finding a "good man", (This is as simple as it sounds, I hope to find someone who will enrich me, someone who is good for me so to speak).  My second priority is finding a black Master.  My reasons here are simple also.  I find black men to be much more physically attractive than others for the most part.  Although there are strong, sexy, masculine men of every color and creed out there, for me a black mans physical attributes and characteristics truly capture those qualities for me.  Bottom line:  A black Master is my preference, but I am mature enough to know that physical attraction is just the icing on the cake.  If I find the good man I speak of and He happens to be black, all the better, if He does not, but all else is as it should be, I will be one lucky girl.  Either way, I win.

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 11:14:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirEbonyPhoenix

I recently read an e-mail from a slave who seeks a Black Master and although I was flattered by her message, it made me wonder about this: What do some submissives/slaves really want from a Black Master/Mistress? Some, IMHO, usually want sex or in some cases, they want to truly serve them either out of love or to make amends for what their ancestors did centuries ago (when non-consensiual slavery was an institution until it was abolished). And for the record, I'm not asking this to gain wisecracks from those who reply!


Well...hey...there could be worse reasons.

A white Master could be seeking a black slave to make up for what he missed out on centuries ago!

(Sorry, just couldn't resist that wisecrack)

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 11:21:49 AM   
Maya2001


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ORIGINAL: abda

Maya not all black men are well endowed like so many tend to believe.


I was only stating hearsay locker room comments made by other females as to why the chose black boyfriends over white  


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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 1:05:10 PM   
SirEbonyPhoenix


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quote:

ORIGINAL: julietsierra

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirEbonyPhoenix

In response to your question of me being attracted to subs/slaves of another race (and for that matter, to this post in general), let me put it this way in the following lyrics from a 1969 song called "Choice Of Colors" recorded by an R & B group called The Impressions (featuring the late Curtis Mayfield [1942-1999]):
 
Chorus 1:If you had a choice of colors
Which one would you choose, my brothers?
If there was no day or night
Which would prefer to be right?
 
Chorus 2 :And how long have you hated your white teacher?
Who told you to love your black preacher?
Do you respect your brother's woman friend?
And share with black folks not of kin?
 
People must move to the people
A better day is coming for you and for me
With just a little bit more education
And love for our nation would make a better society
 
 Now some of us would rather cuss and make a fuss
 Than to bring about a little trust
 But we shall overcome I do believe some day
 If you only listen to what I have to say
 
Repeat chorus 2 and repeat chorus 1

I hope this answered your question, but if not, c'est la vie.

 


First of all, I didn't ask you about who you were attracted to. I asked why you keep on asking why caucasians are attracted to African Americans, as if there is something wrong or to be answered for or something like that.

Secondly, in response to the question asked by the song, my answer would be neither, and my rationale for that would be to excerpt a part of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's "I Have a Dream" speech...where he said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

You see, the color of someone's character is much more important to me than the color of their skin, so I'd never choose someone based on the amount of pigmentation they have - or don't have. It simply makes no sense to me. And that's why I am asking why you seem so anxious to discover why people are attracted to those who have darker skin color. I feel (and I may be wrong) like you're either trying to find out what's wrong with us (as if there is something inherently wrong with the choices we make), or what's wrong with you (and that'd be too bad if that's what it was).

juliet



All I can say is that you make some very good points in your reply and especially conecenring character when it comes to D/s relationships. My intention for this thread was not to pick on anyone in particular, but rather, to engage a healthy discussion. If anything, as important as color may or may not be to some lifestylers, what is much more important is not only their character, but also their honesty, intergity and sincerity. It is hoped that no matter what race or color one is when seeking a Dom/Master or sub/slave,  that they embrace these qualities more than their exterior features. In closing, let me say that everyone is different and that's cool with me. I only hope it is cool with everyone else! Lol

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 5:06:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		No doubt some people seek out a given pheno/somatype--muscular black guy, big-breated red-head, skinny goth white guy--because in whatever deep places our basica criteria for attraction are formed, that's what came out.  I don't think that there is any conclusive data about how we discriminate, just that we do. 

So that is what it is--if you dig people who look like "X," that's what you dig.

What might be problematic is the attraction or desire that is objective, in the sense of treating the desired as an object.  For the European-American woman who desires a black male because it is dirty, nasty, even more degrading to be a "WHITESLUT4BLKMALES!" or whatever, the man who fills the role is in a sense degraded, used as an object.  I think the converse is the black woman who wants a white Master to use her as a slave in a way that mimics US antebellum slavery.  In a sense, that man is being seen is not attractive a a man qua man, but as a representational object, a thing.  It is, to a degree, an Ich und Es relationship instead of an Ich Und Du relationship.

My point isn't that the kink or preference is problematic, but rather the teatment of another human being as a means to an end.  That's not a warrant everyone here will share, but for those who do, that's the crux of this issue, where it gets sticky.

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 5:24:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not everyone might want an "Ich und Du" relationship.  Anyway, I really don't see this crucial difference between wanting a person for what you're calling the "pheno/somatype" and for the culturally conditioned sexual connotations that the person's body type arouses in one's mind.  Neither one has anything to do with who the other person is as a human being.  So both might do something for ya in the irrational arousal department, and neither one is sufficient for a full relationship.

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/10/2007 6:26:53 PM   
LadyLynx


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Status: offline 		I have no answear for this question, but do have a comment not directed to anyone:

Usually what/whom we are attracted to is imprinted on us from an early age. (early age usually meaning toddler stage but could go into the teen years as well.) Now me, I like caucasian guys with blond/brown hair and blue/green eyes, and who has a twisted sense of humor, and has a teddybear physique.  other then the blond hair part, that description fits my dad to a tee.  My father, being the primary,(sometimes only.) parent that took care of me, so naturely I look for a man who is similiar.  Alot of the things that happen to us, good and bad, can help dictate what sort of partner we choose in life. 
To the OP, you do seem awfully fixated on this subject. Or maybe the last thread didn't go where you wanted it to go, and you wanted to try again? (I've done that, with mixed results.)

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/13/2007 3:44:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SirEbonyPhoenix

I recently read an e-mail from a slave who seeks a Black Master and although I was flattered by her message, it made me wonder about this: What do some submissives/slaves really want from a Black Master/Mistress? Some, IMHO, usually want sex or in some cases, they want to truly serve them either out of love or to make amends for what their ancestors did centuries ago (when non-consensiual slavery was an institution until it was abolished). And for the record, I'm not asking this to gain wisecracks from those who reply!


Imma gonna propose the following theories:

- It's something new.
- It's something familiar.
- It's an undefined predilection skewed by anything from their environment to their high school crush.
- Because they're sick of wigger Doms like myself [yo YO, wut-it-izzzzzzz].

Sorry, had to throw that last comment in; really, the fact that you had to specify no wisecracks means you in part acknowledge the absurdity of the question! Hence my final flippant comment.


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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/13/2007 3:52:08 PM   
Kaiynasha


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Status: offline 		Why do people bring up a topic and then when someone gives them an answer they don't like they spit all over them. Look, if you want an answer from someone who has this preference it is best to listen and keep the trap shut. Meaning...ask and be answered. If you don't like the answer...then don't ask.

Personally, it  sounds like a preference like anything else. I think you're seeking for something that is NOT there. Some people prefer big women, others don't....and I don't think I need to speculate why this is the case? Some people prefer black women and men because they relish being submissive under them. Simple.

However, catching an attitude shows me your own true reason for posting the question was to stir-up yourself. So what you don't agree with someone...you ASKED.

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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/13/2007 4:05:23 PM   
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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/13/2007 4:16:52 PM   
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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/13/2007 4:27:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: blkm4me

in my experience....black masters are more free sexually and have less hang ups...as i  am attracted to black men like  all men are attracted to blondes....no particular analogy why...just are


Say WHAT!!??....LMFAO


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RE: subs/slaves who want a Black Master/Mistress:What d... - 11/22/2007 3:58:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think there is any one, complete answer to such a question.  It could be purely a matter of physical preference--- a woman who is attracted to a muscular black man.  It could be purely a fetish.  I know some white women who grew up in racist, repressive cultures, and now, seem to view becoming sexually involved with a black male as the most complete form of rebellion/rejection of the social norms their parents/culture imposed upon them.  But I think there are so many reasons why one could have such a desire...

I do know that many of us don't actually have racial preferences.  We base our appraisal of people, and of prospective partners, on a multitude of factors that go beyond the color of skin.


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