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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

Honestly, the only treatment I sought was to make sure that I hadn't contracted anything.  Personally, I figured that if I got pregnant from it, then at least something positive would come out of something horrible.  However, not all people feel that way - not all people can feel that way after being violated in such a manner ... and not everyone has a doctor/pharmicist that they go to regularly.  Up until recently, I didn't.

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... he completely misses the point and I believe you do as well. I am approaching this from a philosophical viewpoint in regards to issues of freedom, personal choice, economics, and most importantly – government power.
Yes, both the pharmacy and the pharmacist must obey the regulations of the state or find another line of work. The question is how much regulatory power do we want the government to have? How much are we willing to let the government micro-manage our lives. In this particular case the questions are:

Who should decide what medicines a pharmacy should stock? The owner of the pharmacy who knows his customers and customer base and who is financially motivated to cater to his customers needs, or a government bureaucracy which is motivated by political concerns?

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Do you know about the case involving Islamic cab-drivers in Minneapolis who refuse to drive passengers carrying liquor?

http://www.nysun.com/article/41264

You'd say that they should be permitted to service or not service anyone they damn well please, right?  After all, who told those poor innocent cab-drivers that they might occasionally have to drive people carrying liquor?

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This is how we will lose our privacy and reproductive rights; not with a bang but a whimper.

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Plan B should be over-the-counter but the FDA caved to pressure from the Far Right.

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Oh, you say it so much better than I!

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I'm not reading the whole thing through, but I do have this to say.

If I had gone to a doctor or pharmacist after any of my rapes, tried to get the morning-after pill, and been refused ... I would have most likely committed suicide - how is that a good thing for the potential baby? I know someone who did that, and know of many others. I'm sorry, but my mental health was bad enough without being refused treatment. If I kill myself (or another potential mother kills herself), then the baby dies anyway, and any future children that might be had lose their chance as well.

Forcing someone to go against their morals isn't right, but neither is refusing treatment to someone.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Do you know about the case involving Islamic cab-drivers in Minneapolis who refuse to drive passengers carrying liquor?

http://www.nysun.com/article/41264

You'd say that they should be permitted to service or not service anyone they damn well please, right?  After all, who told those poor innocent cab-drivers that they might occasionally have to drive people carrying liquor?

*Shrug*  If they are self employed, whether renting their vehicle at a set shift rate from a provider, or privately owning their vehicle, they have the right to refuse service.

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The Customer decides what medicines a pharmacy should stock, due to their demand for a particular medicine.

If a Customer comes in and requests XYZ, and the pharmacy doesn't have it, the Pharmacy has FAILED under the rules of the Free Market, and to keep the market vital, should wither and go out of business.

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Now, this is all complicated by some confusion about "The Pharmacy", and it's owners.

Now, if a Pharmacy is owned by a Natural Person, and isn't Incorporated under the rules of The State ( and therefore VOLUNTARILY SUBJECT to Regulation ) then what that Natural Person chooses to do with their asset ( The Pharmacy ) is their choice.

ONCE YOU VOLUNTEER TO BE REGULATED, HOWEVER, either by being an Artificial Legal Entity and/or a Licensed Pharmacist/Entity, then it's over. It's time to STFU-And-Do-Your-Job-Or-Find-A-Different-Job.

So, if you don't want to be regulated, DON'T VOLUNTEER TO BE REGULATED.

And don't fucking whine about it after the fact.

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*Shrug*  If they are self employed, whether renting their vehicle at a set shift rate from a provider, or privately owning their vehicle, they have the right to refuse service.... I hope you are not saying, L&M, that the drivers or a company's drivers should be forced to take on any passenger(s) just because they need a cab.

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Kind of like that guy who couldn’t get cell phone service down by the harbor and so demands that the government mandate universal cell coverage.

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I'm not sure I see medicine and "cell phone service down by the harbor" as really analogous.

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The commonality is my exasperation with people who’s first notion, when something in their life isn’t meeting their expectations, is to go crying to the government.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

GoddessDustyGold said:

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And I'm a smoker!
Actually, it is amazing how much less mail I get now that I don't fall into the preferred age parameters of so many profile surfers!

Now I don’t feel so bad about being a smoker myself.

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Actually it is very simple. The Republicans are whiners again. The druggist is the person who started opposing freedom: the freedom of any person to sell whatever drugs they want and make a profit on it. The druggist doesn't want the local bodega owner to have that freedom; the druggist wants a monopoly, awarded by the state, that significantly reduces competition, and significantly raises his salary. Then, when he gets the monopoly that blocks the freedoms of others, he whines when people actually want him to do the job he was given the monopoly to do.

"Licencing" has been used to restrict competition for ages.

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If you can't do the work of a druggist for moral reasons don't be a druggist. If you're a Jehovah's Witness who doesn't believe in blood transfusions, don't insist on your right to become a surgeon while demanding that you be permitted to skip transfusions. If you think that Black people are the spawn of Satan, don't ask to become a cop and then insist on your moral right to ignore helping crime victims if they're black. etc. etc.

It really is simple: if you accept government regulation to benefit yourself and hurt the other citizens, don't complain about the regulation.

When fargonebagle comes bellowing in with...

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Keep in mind that PHARMACISTS are LICENSED by the State.

You either: (1) Do what the State fucking tells you to do..

OR

(2) Surrender your Pharmacist License, and find a different line of work.

No-one held a gun to their heads and forced them to beg for a license.

... he completely misses the point and I believe you do as well. I am approaching this from a philosophical viewpoint in regards to issues of freedom, personal choice, economics, and most importantly – government power.
Yes, both the pharmacy and the pharmacist must obey the regulations of the state or find another line of work. The question is how much regulatory power do we want the government to have? How much are we willing to let the government micro-manage our lives. In this particular case the questions are:

Who should decide what medicines a pharmacy should stock? The owner of the pharmacy who knows his customers and customer base and who is financially motivated to cater to his customers needs, or a government bureaucracy which is motivated by political concerns?

Who should set the work place rules? Again, the pharmacy owner, with an eye toward profit and a good public image or a government bureaucracy that wont suffer the consequences of it’s decisions?

The problem with regulations is that they attempt to make one size fit all. But one size doesn’t fit all. Pharmacy A – located next to the retirement home – may have no need stock the MAP because nobody’s buying it, whilst pharmacy B – located next to the university – can barely keep the stuff on the shelves. Do we want the government dictating to pharmacy A that it must stock a non-profitable item?

But it is not just business considerations. There is simply the fact that different people have different views, beliefs, etc. Concerning a employees moral objections to dispensing the drug, pharmacy owner A might say "then take a fucking hike ya Jesus freak!" Pharmacy owner B might say, "I respect your belief – if someone comes in with a prescription for the MAP, ask me or the other pharmacist on duty to do it." Why do we want the government interjecting itself into a private matter between two people?

There are times when the government has a legitimate reason, even duty, to override people’s personal choices for the greater good but such times are actually quite rare (although the government would never have you believe that) and I just don’t see this time as one of them.

It just leaves a sour taste in my mouth when people’s first response to a problem (real or perceived) is to run to the government.

I do, however, think that the government should mandate that all young pretty female nurses provide sexual services to their male patients. "Gee, do you really think I’m well enough to go home, Doc? I think I should stay one more night, just to be safe."

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all their Viagra bottles and such profits are forcibly removed from their premises

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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The Customer decides what medicines a pharmacy should stock, due to their demand for a particular medicine.

If a Customer comes in and requests XYZ, and the pharmacy doesn't have it, the Pharmacy has FAILED under the rules of the Free Market, and to keep the market vital, should wither and go out of business.

The pharmacy has not failed under the rules of the free market. The pharmacy has just learned something and now must decide how to respond. Should they stock XYZ for only one customer? Could this one customer represent the start of a new trend? Decisions, decisions. No, this is not a failure of the free market, this is the free market in action.

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Now, this is all complicated by some confusion about "The Pharmacy", and it's owners.

Now, if a Pharmacy is owned by a Natural Person, and isn't Incorporated under the rules of The State ( and therefore VOLUNTARILY SUBJECT to Regulation ) then what that Natural Person chooses to do with their asset ( The Pharmacy ) is their choice.

ONCE YOU VOLUNTEER TO BE REGULATED, HOWEVER, either by being an Artificial Legal Entity and/or a Licensed Pharmacist/Entity, then it's over. It's time to STFU-And-Do-Your-Job-Or-Find-A-Different-Job.

So, if you don't want to be regulated, DON'T VOLUNTEER TO BE REGULATED.

And don't fucking whine about it after the fact.

So we are not living in a democratic republic and have no say in how our government regulates us?

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Just shut the fuck up and do what the government tell us?

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If the government changes the regulations on us, we are to have no recourse?