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MidnightMaiden -> Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 7:35:01 PM)
I have lifted this quote from another thread on the general bdsm forum, I didn't wish to hijack that thread, but it provoked thought and I wanted to hear what other subs and slaves felt about this... thank you to the person who wrote this and I hope you don't mind me lifting it and pasting it here again.... quote: My biggest issue is the reduction of a human being to being a possession like a car. I suppose my humanity just demands more respect than that, but I also know that some people enjoy the dehumanizing aspects of consensual slavery in which the slave is treated as less than human... it just is something that I do not get.. and it seems to be the cornerstone of many TPE relationships I have read about. For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? How does it feel to be owned? For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership. Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you? For owners, why is it important to own your submissive? What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission? For all, what importance do you think society places on human life? On property value?

dcnovice -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 7:56:30 PM)
We might need to specify the kind of car. I'm pretty sure I could hold my own against a Pinto, but a BMW would be much tougher.

Shawn1066 -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 7:58:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden I have lifted this quote from another thread on the general bdsm forum, I didn't wish to hijack that thread, but it provoked thought and I wanted to hear what other subs and slaves felt about this... thank you to the person who wrote this and I hope you don't mind me lifting it and pasting it here again.... quote: My biggest issue is the reduction of a human being to being a possession like a car. I suppose my humanity just demands more respect than that, but I also know that some people enjoy the dehumanizing aspects of consensual slavery in which the slave is treated as less than human... it just is something that I do not get.. and it seems to be the cornerstone of many TPE relationships I have read about. For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? How does it feel to be owned? For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership. Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you? For owners, why is it important to own your submissive? What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission? For all, what importance do you think society places on human life? On property value? As a slave, while I consider myself a position, I'm certainly not treated as less than human. I'm treated like a human being with wants, fears, and needs. I just know who I belong to, and I know what kind of power she has over me. It makes me feel loved and protected. Feeling owned is probably the single best feeling in the world. I'm certainly placed much higher than her car...perhaps not her cool new phone, but certainly higher than most! :-p Seriously, though... I fail to see how it's a reduction in my status as a human being. After all, this is consentual slavery we're talking about...not real slavery. It's a realization of everything I've always wanted.

Willowmoon -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 7:59:39 PM)
For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? How does it feel to be owned? No I don't feel dehumanized by it, I am proud to be his property and love hearing him say it. It makes me feel free. I am his slave, a slave is property its as simple as that. I may be his favorite toy like the little ones teddy bear that goes everywhere with them but I am still his property. Being property doesn't make me any less human. I still have needs and desires and he looks after them as he doesn't want his toy to be broken or sick or whatever.

juliaoceania -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 8:00:44 PM)
Since I was the one that wrote what you quoted...smiles... I will respond. I have no problem being referred to as property... he has referred to me as thus in the past. He does not compare me to inanimate objects though. If I was with someone that compared me to a car, I would not feel good about that. People are more valuable than cars. I am an anthropologist, I study people. I love human beings. I am a human being. I want to be treated as such. I also have my own thoughts, ideas, and deep tender feelings... those feelings can be hurt, and they are just as important as his feelings are. But I do not see myself as a slave though.

IrishMist -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 8:00:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden I have lifted this quote from another thread on the general bdsm forum, I didn't wish to hijack that thread, but it provoked thought and I wanted to hear what other subs and slaves felt about this... thank you to the person who wrote this and I hope you don't mind me lifting it and pasting it here again.... quote: My biggest issue is the reduction of a human being to being a possession like a car. I suppose my humanity just demands more respect than that, but I also know that some people enjoy the dehumanizing aspects of consensual slavery in which the slave is treated as less than human... it just is something that I do not get.. and it seems to be the cornerstone of many TPE relationships I have read about. For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? How does it feel to be owned? For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership. Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you? For owners, why is it important to own your submissive? What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission? For all, what importance do you think society places on human life? On property value? I never thought of it as being treated less than human. I was always referred to as property; never as 'his' girl, 'his' slave, or 'his' wife... always 'this is my property'. Did not bother me one bit; in fact, it brought quite a bit of pride to me to be acknowledged in that way. After all [:)], he could have not referred to me at all.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 8:42:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? Sometimes. quote: How does it feel to be owned? Sometimes it's heaven and bliss, sometimes it's raw and harsh, sometimes it's just what it is. No different than any other person's experience of who they are I think. quote: For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership. Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you? Hmmm well I hesitated to say it wasn't a choice- it is a choice of self calling to self and remaining true to self if the relationship really is fulfilling. A slave who stays in an unfulfilling relationship may say they have no choice, but everyone knows inside they have made the choice that they are not being true to who they are, even if they continue to be an owned slave. But it's NOT a choice in so many ways that to call it one is misleading. I really don't believe I CHOSE to be in love with my partner and I don't believe I could just CHOOSE today to end it with him- but it has nothing to do with M/s. So really, any serious long term life partner decision I don't think has so much to do with choice, just "sense of rightness." quote: For owners, why is it important to own your submissive? What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission? For all, what importance do you think society places on human life? On property value? I think the problem is thinking you can't appreciate something as property AND as a human. I used to say I was worth at least a chocolate milkshake and that would piss people off and get them going on a rant about how valuable submissives are. Of course that's back when I could legitimately pass myself as a clueless dork who needed "saving from her own ignorance" at the drop of a hat. I think my partner is worth at least his CD collection- but he also isn't going anywhere :)

petdave -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 8:44:11 PM)
i value my cars much more highly than i value most people. They do what i ask, as long as i take care of them and am sensitive to their needs. In some ways they're far more powerful than i am; yet in other ways, they are extremely fragile. If i ask them to wait for me, they will wait, and begrudge me nothing... up to a point. Then, no matter how much they want to serve me, they begin to fail, and only my labor can bring them back to health. i've bled for every vehicle i own. You could do a lot worse than to be valued as a car.

kitttty -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 8:47:25 PM)
quote: We might need to specify the kind of car. I'm pretty sure I could hold my own against a Pinto, but a BMW would be much tougher. lol, even if Master didn't own me and i was a girlfriend, he really might value his porsche more than my ass.

MidnightMaiden -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 8:50:06 PM)
quote: You could do a lot worse than to be valued as a car. I have heard this or similar from many male owners, is this a view that female owners share? Is it an intrinsic difference between the male/female psyche? I am a slave, btw, for those who wonder whether there is motivation behind my post. I don't challenge your belief, whatever it is, just merely wish to hear it. :)

hisannabelle -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 8:54:43 PM)
greetings midnightmaiden, for me my position as property just reminds me of my role and his control over me. he does not dehumanize me, as a general rule, so i do not feel that connection between being property and not being human...i am just property that happens to also be human. as for the car comparison, it depends on how you look at it. a paperclip and a computer are both property, but probably are valued differently, so i wouldn't quite compare myself to a car. i don't think society puts much importance on human life. individual people may value human life, and we may have some laws that protect human life, but even those laws can be circumvented, and most people in power do not respect human life to any real extent. if society actually valued human life, ending hunger, homelessness, disease, and having drinking water, sustainable farming, etc. would be far more important than getting the most profit for the least amount of money so that the rich can have their third house and their thousand-dollar purses. respectfully, annabelle.

marieToo -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 9:00:47 PM)
I've used the car analogy myself. I think that when people use that example, they are trying to make a point about caring for your "property". I don't see that as the same thing as saying that human submissives/slaves are the same as inanimate objects. Besides animals and people, all property is inanimate, so there's really no way to make the comparison or to discuss people as 'property' without using analogies that involve inanimate objects.

downkitty -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 9:07:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? How does it feel to be owned? For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership. Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you? For owners, why is it important to own your submissive? What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission? For all, what importance do you think society places on human life? On property value? I'm referred to as property, but usually compared more to pets than inanimate objects. I'm really not bothered by labels, even negative ones that apply to me. I usually look at the label a bit, try it on, see if it fits, then either accept it or reject it. I love being owned, being property, being a pet. I still have wants and needs and emotions, so I am not an inanimate object. It's a hard life at times. I don't know that its any harder than other lives here though. None of us here chose an easy life, if we chose it at all, not Masters or Mistresses or slaves, not Doms or Dommes or submissives, and so on. Personally, I don't feel I chose this, I simply believe it is who I am. More than anything, I am just greateful to have found or been found by one who understands who I am and owns me. Respectfully, Amy

Solinear -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 9:15:51 PM)
I think of a slave in a rather Roman or Greek way. A slave is a person who serves me. I will guide their development, what they read, what they learn. If I want them to learn how to castrate a pig, that's what they'll learn, if I want them to learn how to invest money or be an accountant, that's what will happen. After that, if I want to send them out to work for friends and keep their books for them, so be it. Are they more or less valuable than a car? The true value of anything is a combination of what someone is willing to pay for it and what the seller is willing to part with it for. I don't think I'd sell a slave of mine... I might 'lease them out' for a period of time, though.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 9:51:00 PM)
quote: For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? hardly. but then, this slave comes at it from the perspective that humans should be allowed to choose consensual slavery...even legally...if that is their desire. it doesn't dehumanize this slave because she doesn't believe that inanimate objects and real estate are the only things that can be owned and treated with respect. Master owns this slave's heart, mind and body. they are His to do with as He pleases...just as the rest of His posession's are. quote: How does it feel to be owned? comfortable, effortless bliss...like this slave is right where she is supposed to be, serving in whatever capacity He decides and desires. however, this slave has been trained to be "owned" her entire life...and that ownership of another is not necessarily, in and of itself, a bad and inhuman way to treat another consenting human.

Daddyskittin -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 9:58:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden For slaves, do you feel dehumanized to be referred to as property? How does it feel to be owned? For subs, how do you view slavery/ownership. Why did you feel this wasn't the right choice for you? For owners, why is it important to own your submissive? What do you gain from ownership that is separate from submission? For all, what importance do you think society places on human life? On property value? I am a sub... correction I am submissive to my Daddy... who considers me a switch... raised to be a dominant... who belongs to her Daddy as he belongs to me... and who is considered an equal in his eyes as I consider him in mine... So to be a slave even if I desired it would not be a possiblity for me... not only would it go against every fiber of my being... It would cause extreme distress, and unhappiness for my Daddy who enjoys so much having a partner who can submit to him... but who also can function in any area of their life independently... As to myself, and the price set on me in reguard to my Daddy... he consideres me priceless to him... as to us when it comes to slaves... a price can be set, and is determined by many factors such as abilities... skills... and all the various services they can provide... but also also as a human being... their personality... demenor... mental and emotional functioning.

MidnightMaiden -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 10:03:37 PM)
quote: It would cause extreme distress, and unhappiness for my Daddy who enjoys so much having a partner who can submit to him... but who also can function in any area of their life independently... Is this a common view that subs have of slaves, that slaves are unable to function independantly of their Master?

treehugger42 -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 10:06:04 PM)
Maybe this is flamebait, but I think the concept of ownership is a lot more erotic than it is real. I love saying "my master owns me, he can do whatever he wants with me" as much as the next s-type. And from an internal psychological perspective, it can be real. But obviously, comparisons to inanimate objects are kind of moot inasmuch as you "own" a car because you bought it from a dealership, exchanged cash/credit for it, and have a paper with your name on it that the law will respect if you say you own it. Humans? Not so much. Like slavery, it's a lovely, highly enjoyable, and utterly crazy fantasy more than anything. sits back and waits for slaves to come insist "NO WAY my master could totally cut off my arm and I'm just an object"... yarr, and I'd like mine to get me some shiny new spinning rims.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 10:06:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MidnightMaiden Is this a common view that subs have of slaves, that slaves are unable to function independantly of their Master? Common enough. But I think eventually you meet enough people and realized it's not so much about "functioning independently" but "functioning appropriately." As I say, a slave can do anything they want- they just need permission first. So once you've seen slaves who are also dominants, slaves who own business and slaves who run local kink groups and events, those false ideas tend to fall away.

anubicdarque -> RE: Worth more than a car (11/11/2007 10:08:14 PM)
Humans place more care and attention on what they own than they do on their partners, what we own is more special and presious to us. Like a pet animal, a race horuse, a ferrari, we spend love and time on them, investing ourselves in them, things that we do not give to wives, husbands, partners, cos in the end they dont belong to us they belong to themseves

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