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Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military lov... - 11/12/2007 10:12:16 AM   
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The original thread seems to have gained a life of it's own ..... but the first few pages are still pertinent to this thread:

Simply Simpatico


I suspect that the blog entry will be removed soon, so you might want to read it quick.  It's not long. I find the comments most entertaining. 

Extract:

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My visits to the Green Zone are always a joy when I pass through checkpoints manned by Peruvian troops, with whom I have established a rapport. Sure, they are sticklers for rules, but unlike Ugandan troops — who have the warmth of armed robots — the Peruvians are simply simpatico.

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The Americans, however, are the absolute worst. I had a testy exchange Tuesday with an American soldier at an entry checkpoint into the Green Zone.



The update?  Seems the Sacremento Bee finally officially responded to the incident:

The Public Editor: Green reporter, Green Zone dispute, red-hot rhetoric
By Armando Acuna
Pulished 12:00 am PST Sunday, November 11, 2007

Extracts:

In a matter of days, bloggers and their flock of sheep across the country were calling Calvan an "immature human," "a pompous ass," "disrespectful," an "embarrassment," and an "anti-American military" ideologue.

There were more, but you can't print them in the newspaper.

What was Calvan's great transgression?

He got into a spat with an American soldier manning a checkpoint who questioned Calvan's identification before finally letting the reporter and his Iraqi helper back into Baghdad's secure Green Zone.

Calvan then wrote about the encounter in a snarky, arrogant way – including his attempt to "bully" the soldier – on his new personal blog, which was intended to keep his family and friends updated about his work and life in Iraq.

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It's as if the armchair critics were pointing a big, fat finger and saying, "Aha, we caught you!"

They then proceeded to use Calvan's blog to blame The Bee, the McClatchy Washington Bureau (which supervises foreign coverage) and the mainstream media for every perceived journalistic sin known to man in Iraq.

"It was used by people with a political agenda," said Mark Seibel, managing editor in charge of foreign coverage for McClatchy's Washington Bureau. "They were trying to discredit our reporting coming out of Iraq."

Seibel noted that it's common for reporters everywhere to talk their way past guards and security, whether it's on a city street in the United States or dealing with sentries in a foreign land.

"Bobby's mistake was blogging about it and expressing his frustration."

It was paramount, Seibel explained, for Calvan and his Iraqi helper's safety to gain re-entry into the Green Zone after attending a news conference nearby at the Iraqi foreign minister's office. The pair had parked their car in the Green Zone earlier in the day, when they had no problems with their entry and identification.

Whipped into a frenzy by the bloggers, e-mailers by the dozens from all over the country sent their complaints to Calvan, my office, to Bee senior editors, McClatchy corporate headquarters and the Washington Bureau. A few had letters to the editor printed in The Bee.

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Believe me, if making a rule demanding politeness from reporters would reverse the slide, it would be the company's fiduciary responsibility to impose one.

But really what I think is that this matter is entirely overblown and what is needed is this: a time out.

What we're talking about here is an escalating, ahem, urination competition between two men in a stressful situation. Just two guys making each other mad – doesn't matter if you're right-wing, left-wing, up or down.

For critics, it's like taking an argument between two men involved in a fender-bender and making sweeping judgments about the ills of the auto industry.

I wasn't there. Neither were the armchair bloggers. No military brass intervened. Words – not bullets or fists – were exchanged. Calvan eventually got in.

Zinged by the critics, he apologized for his behavior in another blog posting and praised the "many fine men and women serving in Iraq."

He didn't help himself by not telling his editors in Washington about his personal blog, catching them by surprise when bloggers unleashed their wrath.

He compounded his error by initially deleting his posting, which is considered bad form in the blogosphere. (The etiquette was news to me, too.)

The Washington Bureau has a new rule. No personal blogs allowed. "We don't want to be surprised again," Seibel said.

Now, a little more than two weeks later, the attention has faded, flashing bright for a few moments like a falling meteor and gone just as quickly.

What I want to know is whether the blogosphere's trip-wire is just mindlessly sensitive in igniting outrage or was it just a slow week in the conservatives' Internet neighborhood?

The real shame, of course, is how this Internet conniption fit over something so minor overshadows the serious journalism from Iraq. There are legitimate reader questions about coverage and stories, their selection, tone, balance and accuracy.

By the way, I'm well aware today is Veterans Day. Today's column has nothing to do with that, so please don't go there. I'm proud of our men and women in uniform. I have family wearing that uniform now.

This isn't about them. This is about politics and playing games.



Ok, let's play a game.  How many "clueless" statements and/or actions are apparent from this article?

Firm

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 10:27:38 AM   
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Bottem line?

Mediocatize the web to be as mundane as cable.  ..for national security of course.    glunk

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 10:43:27 AM   
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The Washington Bureau has a new rule. No personal blogs allowed.
 
    God forbid anything should leak out to disturb the chosen editorial spin...  Of course, this is the same outfit that ran the story about the falling casualties causing economic hardships for the cemetery workers.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/20530.html



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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 10:48:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

The Washington Bureau has a new rule. No personal blogs allowed.
 
    God forbid anything should leak out to disturb the chosen editorial spin...  Of course, this is the same outfit that ran the story about the falling casualties causing economic hardships for the cemetery workers.


The Washington Bureau has a new rule. No personal blogs allowed.

hehe ... that was a BIG "They're clueless" sign for me too, Heretic.

Of course, you do remember the outcry when DoD thought about "outlawing" soldiers' blogs a few months ago, don't you?

But ... it's perfectly ok for one of the "protectors of free expression" to muzzle it's own employees.

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 10:55:38 AM   
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"The real shame, of course, is how this Internet conniption fit over something so minor overshadows the LACK OF serious journalism from Iraq."

Fixed that for you.... Because the real question is "Why are the journalists failing in their duty?"



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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 11:01:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

"The real shame, of course, is how this Internet conniption fit over something so minor overshadows the LACK OF serious journalism from Iraq."

Fixed that for you.... Because the real question is "Why are the journalists failing in their duty?"


Darn.

We agree about something?

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 11:03:57 AM   
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     Even a broken clock is right twice a day, Firm.  Get into what the "duty" of those jounalists is, and the universe will quickly restore the natural order.

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 11:10:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, Firm.


Join the 21st Century, already, broken clocks have completely blank displays all the time.

The duty is to REPORT, and not provide COVERAGE.



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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 11:16:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Even a broken clock is right twice a day, Firm.


Join the 21st Century, already, broken clocks have completely blank displays all the time.

The duty is to REPORT, and not provide COVERAGE.


brand A bank- a pillar of the community.  brand B bank has been here many years. heck-=as a kid i remember brand C bank. Then during my teens, brand D bank gave away toasters. Isnt brand E bank wonderful? Like i said, brand F bank has been here forever. Brand G is great. I am going to brand H bank right now.

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 12:21:47 PM   
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Its funny how much importance some people place on a chance encounter between two of the least important nitwits in Iraq and how little importance they place on the mistakes of the powerful nitwits who are responsible for the two nitwits being in Iraq in the first place.


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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 1:47:14 PM   
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quote:

What was Calvan's great transgression?

He got into a spat with an American soldier manning a checkpoint who questioned Calvan's identification before finally letting the reporter and his Iraqi helper back into Baghdad's secure Green Zone.

Calvan then wrote about the encounter in a snarky, arrogant way – including his attempt to "bully" the soldier – on his new personal blog, which was intended to keep his family and friends updated about his work and life in Iraq.

...


It's as if the armchair critics were pointing a big, fat finger and saying, "Aha, we caught you!"

They then proceeded to use Calvan's blog to blame The Bee, the McClatchy Washington Bureau (which supervises foreign coverage) and the mainstream media for every perceived journalistic sin known to man in Iraq.

"It was used by people with a political agenda," said Mark Seibel, managing editor in charge of foreign coverage for McClatchy's Washington Bureau. "They were trying to discredit our reporting coming out of Iraq." 



I'm just curious as to what the most basic difference is between this "invasion of privacy" and this invasion of privacy

Apparently we can have a tongue in cheek question about "Just what was his great transgression?" but the other guy is practically suicidal because his error in judgement was so heinous.
 
AP story published in the Sacremento Bee:
http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/477083.html
 
What neither did was right, and in this day and age, it seems we all must walk on eggs.  Someone is listening (or reading or hacking), even if it is not Big Brother.  Just the folks who are busy helping Big Brother gain more power.
 
Everything of this nature has a political agenda tied to it.  The only safe way is to never have a personal opinion or unacceptable way of expressing yourself,  nor should you share that personal opinion or use that unacceptable way of expressing yourself, regardless of your intent. 
 
One had his show and livelihood cancelled.
The other is still reporting after a new rule of "no personal blogs".
 

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 3:47:21 PM   
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What basis do you have for defining/defaming the soldier as a "Nit-Wit"?

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 3:53:52 PM   
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I did?

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 3:56:13 PM   
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Opps, sorry dusty, that was to Simply micheal, not you.  

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 3:58:56 PM   
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Okey-Dokey!  Confusion cleared

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 4:12:38 PM   
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 Who, but the press, reported on the Walter Reed scandal?

Who other than the press,is letting folks know about the high suicide rates,our soldiers and vets face?

Who was it that reported the lack of basic equipment, our GI`s had to deal with and still do.

Remember the National Guard guy, who grilled and then owned Donald Rumsfeld,over armor of there vehicles?
Do ya think the Pentagon would have reported that?

The roll of the press is to hold our leader`s feet to the fire.

Those that are upset with them for that,don`t understand the basic roll of the press.Hint, it`s not to help politicians lie (or at least,isn`t supposed to).The New York Times complicity in selling the Iraq invasion, is a clear example of that.

When they fail, bad things happen.


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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 6:46:12 PM   
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What basis do you have for defining/defaming the soldier as a "Nit-Wit"?


His actions.


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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 6:55:38 PM   
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The original thread seems to have gained a life of it's own .....


Don’t knock it. It has been very entertaining. A thoroughly enjoyable shit slinging contest.

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RE: Veterns Day Update: An example of why our military... - 11/12/2007 7:41:36 PM   
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The original thread seems to have gained a life of it's own .....


Don’t knock it. It has been very entertaining. A thoroughly enjoyable shit slinging contest.


Not knocking it at all, marc.

From what I read, herface was putting a royal hurt on a lot of myths and delusions.  I didn't want to distract from his efforts by trying to return the thread to the original topic. 

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