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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 2:28:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Do you hang out in garages feeling out mechanics to work on your car before you take the car in?
Do you check out the doctor's lounges at hospitals seeking out a doctor that you're going to see?
Come tax time, do you take 3 or 4 folks out from H&R Block to figure out who you click with before getting your taxes prepped?

Sorry, bad idea.  Either you're going to take the plunge on the lifestyle side, go through the courting and dating and friend process then hook up for play, or you're going to research a professional, establish a connection through a phone interview or application process and move forward as she proscribes.  Most established professionals working in a legitimate business will not "court you" to get your business.  Either you want to pay for a session or you don't.  PLEASE do not waste a businesswoman's time with this "wanting to be friends" stuff.  Go to a munch and make friends.....


You said it so much better than I did. 

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 3:51:48 AM   
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all true and very good points. and nah, not hanging out in garrages, etc. just must have been looking in vanallia places for a more Domme oriented Woman i suppose.

just opening up to someone i just met about those deepest and darkest cravings and desires does take a bit.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 4:07:29 AM   
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I think I understand Solvr's dilemna, and it's not about getting a free "tune up" or discounts or whatever (as some have suggested). Personally with me, I have to know someone pretty well before I can feel at all comfortable giving them control. It's a trust issue really, I just can't move quickly.

Now also as others have said, pro dommes have much better things to do with their time. Such as bringing a client into the studio for a session. This is why I figured out early on that a pro wasn't an option, because they don't offer something I really need. You may be out of luck, try getting involved with your local community and stick it out until you get to know some dommes, pro or not.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 8:00:40 AM   
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I think i just entered the seaseme street zone or something  I just feel like tickleme elmo

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 8:10:04 AM   
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Well, I can understand your difficulty in opening up to someone about your desires. We're all trained from a very early age to keep our sexuality under wraps, and those of us who are NOT into mainstream intercourse, doubly so! I think you'd do much, much better if you were to start attending a local munch, or "gateway"-type support group or play party. There, you will be surrounded by like minded souls who are all looking for the same thing: a possible partner they don't have to keep secrets from.

When looking for a tree, it's best to go to the forrest.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 8:22:58 AM   
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I have to echo Bipolarber and other's who have said the same:  From what you say, I'd strongly urge you to get involved in your local community and see where that takes you, instead.

Also, you may want to reconsider your approach of "vanilla" women.  Think on whether the way you deal with the issue might be what's putting them off and see if there is anything you can change about that.  The vast majority of females I've known have had some level of kink to them and many were open to a whole lot more, including those who'd never thought about it prior to our casual chats...  but they wanted and needed the right male partner with the right approach for THEM to feel comfortable admitting it and going there.

So if you're repeatedly striking out, take some time to consider if you need to adjust your approach of the subject.  A tiny tweak of how you express it to them can make a huge difference in the response you get from a female partner.

Oh, and plenty extremely kinky and extremely dominant women will tell you otherwise if she's not interested in having that sort of relationship with you... so someone telling you "ick" or "no way" may not be vanilla.  She just may not feel that sort of relationship is possible with you, for any of dozens of reasons.

Get active in the local scene, keeps yourself open to folks, look over your approach, and be patient.  Finding the right person, whatever your interests, can take a lot of time.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 8:48:23 AM   
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have you tried the local BDSM Community to get to know others
I know a few Pro Dommes i have mad as friends and do things in the every day lifes with them just hang out and have fun i have not seen anyone pros on a pro basis and don't intend to I'm not knocking it i have many friends who are pros i have met them at local Munch's and groups
you should really try your community ;) .
 
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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 12:42:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsSaskia

As several people have already indicated, spending (unpaid) time first getting to know your pro domme isn't part of the services we offer.  We don't have the luxury of time to spend, and there are also a lot of people that get fixated on us and get very invasive about asking personal questions.  We maintain clear boundaries for very good reasons.  We can be very warm and friendly in sessions when it's called for, but the kinds of connections you get in dating are not going to happen prior to scheduling your first session. 

Most pro dommes I know are happy to go the extra mile to keep a good client. As a mentor of mine says, we want your business, not your money.  I've made friends with a handful of my own clients and will spend time with them off the clock now and then, going shopping or chatting on the phone or having dinner or inviting them to events.  Not every client gets that, and the ones that we're most comfortable with are the ones who are the least invasive and pushy about asking for extras, as well as being steady client.  When clients push to become a personal slave, or only see us for a few sessions with the hope of becoming a personal slave, those professional relationships usually end fairly quickly and time spent outside sessions is unlikely to happen. 

There are also submissives who make the rounds with pro dommes, claiming they want to have a connection before playing professionally.  They like to flirt and feel like they're special, but they see every pro domme in a town and tell each one that does a free interview or two that the spark just isn't there.  They've gotten hours and hours of our time that we could've been spending with paying clients and we've basically been exploited under false pretenses.  Be aware of that dynamic when you approach pro dommes asking for something outside of what we offer.  

If you take the time to research a professional (as others have suggested here), reading her reviews and taking time to read what she writes on her own sites as well as on various boards, you're sure to get a good session with someone who is excellent at what they do and can read you like a large-print book.  You're not going to get the same connection you'd get with a girlfriend, but if you just want a good scene with someone who'll understand your fetish and be equipped to do a scene incorporating it, you'll be in good hands.


I also know MsSaskia personally.  We aren't as close a friends as I wish we were, but, I respect her and what she does in the community.
 
I am a lifestyle Domme, but am contracted repeatedly by men who are married, don't want a relationship, wanting to just experience certain things, basically looking for a service top, which I am not.  I always refer them to MsSaskia and tell them that if she doesn't have time in her schedule to accommodate them, then she may know of someone who could.
 
MsSakia is very good at what she does and is a good person in and outside of her profession.  (She just happens to be REALLY wicked... <grin>)  I recommend her highly to anyone here in Denver who is seeking the services of a pro.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 12:47:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: solvr70

just must have been looking in vanallia places for a more Domme oriented Woman i suppose.

Well, don't do that.  How about going for the obvious places rather than making it so difficult for yourself!!?!?!?!?


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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 12:52:10 PM   
MisPandora


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ORIGINAL: MsSaskia

quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Do you hang out in garages feeling out mechanics to work on your car before you take the car in?
Do you check out the doctor's lounges at hospitals seeking out a doctor that you're going to see?
Come tax time, do you take 3 or 4 folks out from H&R Block to figure out who you click with before getting your taxes prepped?

Sorry, bad idea.  Either you're going to take the plunge on the lifestyle side, go through the courting and dating and friend process then hook up for play, or you're going to research a professional, establish a connection through a phone interview or application process and move forward as she proscribes.  Most established professionals working in a legitimate business will not "court you" to get your business.  Either you want to pay for a session or you don't.  PLEASE do not waste a businesswoman's time with this "wanting to be friends" stuff.  Go to a munch and make friends.....


You said it so much better than I did. 

Why thank you.  Having retired 7 years ago this coming January, I'm all too familiar with the process of befriending your local pro dom as a way to "backdoor" a relationship.  In the end, he's not looking for a pro dom, but she is an avenue of easy and visible access for him to take advantage of.  When he gets in close, gets his connection, and wants more, he can't have it, leaving her to shove him away hard.  It creates lots of stress and hurt feelings, not to mention the simple fact that it's just plain disrespectful.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 2:26:23 PM   
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MystressDream,

Yup, yup, yup! Saskia is the one thing that many subs fear most: a Domme with a bizarre "sense of humor." BTW, always nice to meet another FOS (Friend of Saskia) and Wilbur the Wonderdog!


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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 2:48:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

MystressDream,

Yup, yup, yup! Saskia is the one thing that many subs fear most: a Domme with a bizarre "sense of humor." BTW, always nice to meet another FOS (Friend of Saskia) and Wilbur the Wonderdog!




As my post stated, I "know Saskia".  Unfortunately, I do not feel I can call myself one of her actual "friends".  We know each other, and I respect her.  <smile>

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 3:09:44 PM   
MsSaskia


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ORIGINAL: bipolarber

MystressDream,
Yup, yup, yup! Saskia is the one thing that many subs fear most: a Domme with a bizarre "sense of humor." BTW, always nice to meet another FOS (Friend of Saskia) and Wilbur the Wonderdog!


Ha!  Sometimes when I'm tormenting friends, I'll ask, "Who's your buddy?"  They get it wrong once.  Forever after, they know the correct answer is "Wilbur!"

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 3:14:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MystressDream
I also know MsSaskia personally.  We aren't as close a friends as I wish we were, but, I respect her and what she does in the community.
 
I am a lifestyle Domme, but am contracted repeatedly by men who are married, don't want a relationship, wanting to just experience certain things, basically looking for a service top, which I am not.  I always refer them to MsSaskia and tell them that if she doesn't have time in her schedule to accommodate them, then she may know of someone who could.
 
MsSakia is very good at what she does and is a good person in and outside of her profession.  (She just happens to be REALLY wicked... <grin>)  I recommend her highly to anyone here in Denver who is seeking the services of a pro.


Wow!  Thanks for the endorsement!   There's a slave I've been thinking of referring your way, but he's more into a one-on-one thing than being part of a larger family.  He loves nothing more than to make a woman's house a lovely, clean, immaculate haven and is a female supremacist.  I've been keeping an eye out for dommes I know that might appreciate someone of his caliber and character and I thought your styles would suit each other well.  I'd be happy to tell you more privately if you're not already too swamped with slaves.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 3:16:53 PM   
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Well, don't do that.  How about going for the obvious places rather than making it so difficult for yourself!!?!?!?!?



i am working on that. just not a great deal of the right kind of places i have found yet. have to find a much or something i think.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 3:21:18 PM   
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i am working on that. just not a great deal of the right kind of places i have found yet. have to find a much or something i think.


If you're near a larger-sized town, you shouldn't have any difficulty finding a lifestyle leather scene.  I know Atlanta has a number of clubs and there's bound to be a number of groups that meet.  Do some research and you'll be that much closer to an RT situation.

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 3:33:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsSaskia

quote:

ORIGINAL: MystressDream
I also know MsSaskia personally.  We aren't as close a friends as I wish we were, but, I respect her and what she does in the community.
 
I am a lifestyle Domme, but am contracted repeatedly by men who are married, don't want a relationship, wanting to just experience certain things, basically looking for a service top, which I am not.  I always refer them to MsSaskia and tell them that if she doesn't have time in her schedule to accommodate them, then she may know of someone who could.
 
MsSakia is very good at what she does and is a good person in and outside of her profession.  (She just happens to be REALLY wicked... <grin>)  I recommend her highly to anyone here in Denver who is seeking the services of a pro.


Wow!  Thanks for the endorsement!   There's a slave I've been thinking of referring your way, but he's more into a one-on-one thing than being part of a larger family.  He loves nothing more than to make a woman's house a lovely, clean, immaculate haven and is a female supremacist.  I've been keeping an eye out for dommes I know that might appreciate someone of his caliber and character and I thought your styles would suit each other well.  I'd be happy to tell you more privately if you're not already too swamped with slaves.


"too swamped with slaves"??   LOL  We need to talk. <smile>

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 9:01:07 PM   
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that is not always case. Hanging with a pro dom domme can also help the ds comunity to grow plan stuff some things can be what they are. just because your a pro dose not mean you attain rock star status.  or icon status and even then I tend to wonder. I look at the person not what they claim to be. anyone can be a label. It takes much more to be beyond that that comes with inside yourself. Here is the twist of things when you die how will people remeber you.  some peopledo not  have a conscious . Those are the ones you stay the hell away from.  

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RE: Pro-Dommes as friends first - 11/13/2007 10:46:38 PM   
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My advice to you is a little different, based on a few decades of experience in this area. Trying to get to know a pro dominant for friendship is going to be a futile experience at best. If you are lacking of experience at getting to know dominant women, it has more to do with several other factors, most likely involving location, social interpersonal capability, and knowledge of where to make friends.

When I first became involved in the bdsm communities, I did so by actually joining a few of the organizations that were prominent in the scene. But you have to join the right way. You generally aren't going to do well if you sign up and then show up at a function hoping to achieve immediate success. This generally isn't going to happen unless you have the personality of someone who can do well in any social environment, or you're just simply hot beyond physical belief. Now, as I can speak of neither of those qualities, rather than just show up at functions, I found organizations that were involved in what I really believed in. I was a femdom practitioner back then, and I was heavily into female supremacy and goddess worship (no, I'm not saying that this is something others need to do...just pointing out that we all have our own "things" that bring us into the various scenes). So I joined a few organizations that truly espoused these beliefs, and I volunteered to help make those organizations stronger. I liked what they were doing, and I wanted them to succeed further. I didn't do it to meet women. I did it because I believed in what they believed. Along the way, a lot of women became interested in me. If you show you are sincere, and if you're what the dominant women in your fantasy area are seeking, you'll connect.

But it won't be fast. It won't be overnight. It may take a year or so of working really hard just to prove you are sincere. And you may be serving NO women during this time. And that was my case, even though I was probably luckier than most other submissive men, and no, I still haven't figured out how I was. But along the way, I made GREAT friends of lots of people, both men and women. And strangely enough, it was connections with men in these organizations that often served to hook me up with women who were looking for someone like me. Word of mouth does super wonders for you.

So, that's my advice, based on having actually lived that life. I don't live it any more, but I probably could if I wanted to. I'm just focusing on something a little different these days, although some day I'm sure I'll probably find myself back in the trenches trying to find something again.


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