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Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 11:49:36 AM   
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 I've heard this term/ sentiment tossed around a great deal and it really makes me think.

When people say this, what exactly do they mean?   And why were they not free to be themselves before they become owned or submitted themselves to someone.

I will admit that when i had my first BDSM / power exchange experiences i did feel like i had arrived at the place i was meant  to be, but,  prior to that time and since, whether i am involved in a relationship or not, i am not only free to be me and express my sexuality in any way i see fit, but i am compelled to do so.

Does one truly need to be involved in a dynamic to feel "free"  what is the catalyst that prompts this feeling?

Please note that i am not negating anyones dynamic or the feelings that they incur, I'm just curious about why it can only be attained in some peoples mind through being owned, etc...

Thanks in advance for all replies...
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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 1:05:52 PM   
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When I use the term freedom in my power exchange relationship I use it as an overall theme. The freedom I receive from this life I think basically comes down to all the effort, hassle and stress of what regular relationships do for me in terms of give and take, balance and when is their time, my time or our time and things of this nature.

This life is the best fit for me/gives us freedom because the regular life ways are more unnatural to us. The level we strive for is freeing because the way we live best helps each other to cast aside are false selves, images and thinking how we are suppose to be and how our other is suppose to be and lets us focus on what we are truly about. It frees us from or societal masks that just do not fit.


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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 1:15:11 PM   
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There is always the fear of ridicule or negative judgement from the "vanilla" people in the world.  They simply don't understand the dynamics behind a D/s relationship.  They think it's just perverted and only sick people do those things.  Blah, blah, blah!!!

In my relationship, there is certainly freedom in slavery.  It's self-validation, so to speak.  I can dress in my full latex catsuit and go grocery shopping.  I know I would get strange looks and probably some negative comments thrown my way.  It's those negativities that stop me from doing that.  Now if Mistress wants me to dress in full latex, put me on Her leash, and take me to the same grocery store, the looks and comments will probably still be there, but I wouldn't give a flying shit because I'm doing it because Mistress wants me to.  My only concern is pleasing her and making Her proud to have me on Her leash.  So, in my submission to Her, I'm actually free of any external concerns and focusing only on what brings Her happiness, pleasure, or joy.  It is the freedom to be who I am without fear or concerns because She loves and cherishes me for the lil' slut I can be for Her

Make sense?

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 1:21:52 PM   
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Thank you toserve, as always you state your point eloquently, however i would ask you this, are the stresses  that you spoke about self induced, or wholly as a response to societal "norms"?

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 1:31:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rubberpet

Now if Mistress wants me to dress in full latex, put me on Her leash, and take me to the same grocery store, the looks and comments will probably still be there, but I wouldn't give a flying shit because I'm doing it because Mistress wants me to.  My only concern is pleasing her and making Her proud to have me on Her leash.  So, in my submission to Her, I'm actually free of any external concerns and focusing only on what brings Her happiness, pleasure, or joy.  It is the freedom to be who I am without fear or concerns because She loves and cherishes me for the lil' slut I can be for Her

Make sense?


Well said rubberpet, but,  would you really go to the grocery store wearing a catsuit and leash?  Some would consider that forcing non consenting parties into participating in your kink.  

I believe and understand your sincerity , and i can see the sense of it,   is it absolutely necessary to be in seervice to someone else in order for you to free yourself from external concerns?
Please don't think i'm finding fault, i'm just searching for understanding.  I have complete respect for your devotion to your Mistress.

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 1:35:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: spankmepink11

Thank you toserve, as always you state your point eloquently, however i would ask you this, are the stresses  that you spoke about self induced, or wholly as a response to societal "norms"?


They are the self induced type. I am fortunate to have not much of an issue of doing what society preaches. I am talking about things in everyday life that can take up energy and cause stress on myself.

A specific example in a vanilla relationship for me asking my other what they want for dinner and them saying “whatever” might be stressful to me because I am still thinking they may or may not like what I choose to prepare or they are expecting me to guess what they really are wanting. In my power exchange relationships I take “whatever” strictly as “whatever”.

For me the taking the guesswork and questioning of motives out of the equation frees me. It is the freedom of being able to just focus on my Master and to take orders and do things without questioning or reading too much into them slows and focuses my mind, which tends to race too fast, and is a tremendous freeing feeling.

From a step back approach, it always amazes me how much junk we cloud our minds with that is truly needless and for me the power exchange relationship helps strip my junk.



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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 1:50:47 PM   
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i am so free to be myself. my true self. the way i was born to be. i belong now and i know my place and i can let go and just feel his love, power and control ovr me. It's amazing.

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 1:55:27 PM   
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I am free only because I found the man that had the key to my heart and soul. I don't think it has anything to do with the fact that we also share a Master/slave relationship, but it may.

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 2:13:53 PM   
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I've had vanilla relationships through out my adult life.  I have known i was genuinely submissive since the age of 12 or 13, when i first discovered D/s.  But being in only vanilla relationships all of your life, all the while knowing you have this deep seeded passion inside to serve is completely unfulfilling.  It leaves you with a deep empty void, no matter how happy you can be in a vanilla sense.  Until i became involved in D/s did i truly feel the freedom and fulfillment i now feel inside. 

For once in my life, i feel that serving Her and sitting at Her feet is where i absolutely belong.  Simply being in Her prescence brings about a sense of contentment and calm i have not known before.  I am finally free to be myself in a way i had not yet experienced.

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 3:45:50 PM   
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Thank you for the kind words, spankmepink.  But to answer your question, if Mistress wanted me in full latex and on Her leash in a grocery store, I would do it in a heartbeat because it's what pleases Her.  Obviously, She wouldn't do anything that would put me in harm's way or in a situation where I could be arrested.  But the message I'm trying to convey is not having to worry about anything else except Mistress's happiness and pleasure.  I lose myself in the fact that it's for Mistress's pleasure.  Everyone elses's reaction is irrelevant to me at that point. 

As for those who see it as I'm forcing non-consenting parties into my kink, I think the same non-consenting parties are forcing me to conform to their standard of normality by suppressing my kink for their comfort.  I live my life with Mistress for Mistress, not theirs.  To me, it's no different than a mother who goes to Wal-Mart with her five kids and they are running all over the place causing havoc and making trouble.  She is forcing me to take part in her trainwreck of an undisciplined homelife.  So my thinking is this...if they don't like what they see, just don't look at it and walk away.  Make sense?

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 3:52:52 PM   
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awwwwwwwwwwwwww,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,cute  are you ready for the whip boy? 

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 4:59:44 PM   
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It's more a "free to be me" sort of thing- or just read my sig line.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_198399/mpage_1/key_freedom/tm.htm#198508
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_107926/mpage_1/key_freedom/tm.htm#107931
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_94519/mpage_1/key_freedom/tm.htm#94523
freedom in slavery


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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 5:10:36 PM   
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Echoing a lot of what toservz said, I am stripped of my junk.  I am also finally free to be the person I have needed to be.  I am free to love as I need to love.  I am free to express myself as I need to express myself.  I am free to give as I need to give.

Where before my life was lived in a stressful state, needing boundaries but not knowing where they were, needing to submit to another on a fairly tight leash and feeling unsure of myself a lot of times...Now I have this whole world within these boundaries he has set, and I am free to be myself within these walls which may expand or contract from time to time, but I am free from worry as long as I stay within them.  And I never feel trapped within them, because my happiness is here.

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 9:37:13 PM   
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Freedom is a different place for everyone. It's a very personal journey. The relationship of being owned gives us strength. This strength allows us to be the person we are in reality. Many people are not comfortable and at times frightened to be themselves in truth because they feel alone.

An unowned sub/slave often feels adrift, like a ship at sea without an anchor.  They become less certain of themselves. This uncertainty can manifest as insecurity which would render them unable to allow the freedom to be who they are..

This relationship frees us from anxiety. We are set free from both societal and selfmade bondage because we are secure. We become stronger and stronger. We become more connected with our inner being and more self aware.

We are no longer adrift but anchored in safety and security, freed to become who we are meant to be.

We can maintain this outside of being owned or being in service but not to the degree obtained while in the relationship. If you met me, you would say I am a strong, confident woman who determines her own destiny. This is true.

I've become this woman due to past Ds relationship. I maintain it but there is a struggle and a feeling of anxiety outside of the relationship. I grow stronger each day of being owned.

This is basically a philosophy that is better experienced than described. Once achieved ,it at times transcends words but there is an understanding between those who have known that is difficult to convey to those who have not.

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 10:03:51 PM   
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I have to agree with the responses above. Specially NLitendLady.
 
That is how I felt for the longest time, lost and alone. Began to feel as if I didn't belong to this world, went threw so many fools that just simply couldn't handle me. They always in it for themselves and left me out in the cold. I have been seeking for Master for as long as I can remember, even before I fully understood what it was I wanted. It was just a feeling, a need. Then it got to the point to where Ifelt I had to hide my true feelings, hide the wants and needs in fear of losing another fool and getting my heart torn into more pieces. By the time Master came into my life I had so many walls built up, a chain around my heart to keep it from falling apart again. I was dead inside. Somehow threw all that, Master saw a flicker of life, that flame struggling to survive. And he freed it, broke the chain and the walls feed that flame what it needed and freed me from my own prison. If he hadn't found me I would still be in that state of mind, probly even dead inside just simply living in this world and not enjoying it.
 
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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/13/2007 10:41:30 PM   
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In submission there is freedom to embrace things that you normally don't allow yourself to embrace.  You normally can't embrace them either because they are impossible or nearly impossible to do on your own, like S&M, and/or because you simply don't allow yourself to go there without encouragement. 

For example, degradation play.  If I let myself endulge feelings of humiliation, degradation, objectification in my normal social and professional interactions, let myself curl up in a ball and cry because I made a mistake in a presentation or if a random person insulted me, I couldn't function and be healthy in my life.  But embracing those feelings that we all feel on some level, but normally put a lot of work and energy and even denial and facade into fighting, can be cathartic, and so very freeing. 

There are countless other examples, like just enjoying sexuality the way you truly love it, even if it is from a submissive status, it is freeing because it is what you crave, and you can't achieve it on your own.  It is really hard to be submissive to a vibrator, even if it is a nice big scary one.  Sigh, the biggest problem with ld relationships. 

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/14/2007 2:44:03 AM   
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When I was growing up, my mother used to sing this little song about women who don't need men. She said she was teaching me to be strong.

Except I couldn't figure out why we didn't need men.

When I was going through the process of learning about the intricacies of womanhood, I was told "don't be so girlie... this isn't a fashion show... quit walking like that, talking like that, being like that..." And always, "you don't need a man to get by in this life."

But the thing was, I WAS girlie, I did like to look nice, I felt feminine and had to hide it all the time. And regardless of who they were, I valued the men in my life - but I had to hide all this.

The result was that there was this ever-present disconnect between what I was doing and who I was. And despite all their teachings, my personality put me in a position of trying to be who everyone else wanted me to be. Eventually, their truths became my truths and I couldn't separate what they thought from who I genuinely was.

I married the appropriate man, did the appropriate things, lived in the appropriate manner. And through it all - including within my sex life, I kept thinking "Is this all there is?" I seriously didn't understand that there could be more. I just knew that my overriding emotion was always always ALWAYS... sadness, interspersed with short periods of happiness.

In short, I was living someone else's life.

Eventually that all ended. At the same time, I was talking to someone online who told me about bdsm. My exact words to him were "Are you fucking LOONEY?!" But for some reason, what he told me stuck in my head. I started to delve into what he was talking about - looking things up on the internet, at the bookstores, in the library at the college I was attending. Finally, I found something on the internet that explained the gist of all this to me in a way I could understand.

I came to realize that all this "stuff" I'd been taught were someone else's views of life and that I'd never explored MY views. I finally realized that it was up to me to decide how I wished to live my life and what was important to me. I finally understood that whether I decided against bdsm, or for it, that was ok - so long as it was because *I* was making this choice because it was good for *me* As I learned, each little tidbit of information I acquired seemed to fit how I saw myself more and more. I embraced this new me. I embraced the concepts of BDSM that I was learning. Along the way though, I was turning each and every little idea over and over in my head. I didn't want to fall into the pattern of accepting someone else's views of how my life should be lived ever ever again. I wanted to live my life how *I* thought it should be lived.

When I met my Master, it was like all the little pieces of the puzzle finally fit together. This man enjoyed my femininity. He relished my efforts to do all the things I'd always been taught not to do. He loved that I valued him. He also loved the good things I'd been taught. He valued my intelligence and recognized and pointed out the strengths that had always been there, albiet different from those who were never satisfied with me. Most of all though, he gave me the time and space to be who I am inside -  NOT who he decreed I should be. He wouldn't accept pretense, self-sacrifice of my values or any of the things that had typically been reinforced in my life. He would ONLY accept me.

This process, his care and his ownership of me gave me the freedom to be who I am - who I was always meant to be. Our union is one of two people who are and make every effort to remain as genuine as they can be. No pretense is allowed. The first rule is to be "natural." Everything else flows from there.

Eventually, our relationship evolved into what it was always heading to in the first place. I became his slave. And in that, for the very first time in my life, I can be myself. I can be feminine, I can walk as I am comfortable with. I can explore what it means to me, to be a woman. I can unashamedly value the men in my life. I can be free.

The argument could be made that the same things could have happened in a vanilla life and I'd have to admit that that's true. However, D/s and SM is a large and integral part of my life. And a slave - my Master's slave - is who I am, integrated fully with all of who I am. And that works for me.

For the first time in my life, I am who I was always meant to be. I am happy. I am free.

Oh, and by the way, I also found the answer to my question of "is this all there is?" All of that...is NOT all there is. I'm still exploring all there is - including things I never even heard of or thought of before.

I feel like the guy in Plato's allegory of "The Cave." I've come into the sun and while the process initially hurt, I discovered that all those things I used to be told were "real"... were just shadows of what there could be. Slavery is my sunlight. My reward is freedom.

And I never ever want to go back down into the cave again.

juliet

If you'd care to read the allegory of the cave, it can be found here:
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/platoscave.html

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/14/2007 3:11:08 AM   
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Ohh..... I'm so glad you came out of that cave julietsierra. Welcome to the freedom :)

I wish you all luck with "exploring all there is"

*hugs*

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/14/2007 5:03:15 AM   
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I use to term "freedom" also.
 
in several different ways though.
 
through my love of him and from him > I feel the freedom of total acceptance and non-conditional loving.  It would be that way with him even if it wasn't Ds dynamic, because of the bond we have in our basic friendship and love for one another.
( It has continued to exist even during the time when I didn't wear his collar and our friendship was what was the constant).
 
freedom through my Ds dynamic> In my submission>
the feeling of freedom it gives me NOT to have to be the one making the decisions ( majority of my other relationships and responsibilities in my life I am the decision maker).  The ease and freedom that comes in knowing exactly what is expected of me, how to please, what will please, the consistancy of the role and rituals.  Freedom to know I CAN rely on his strength and guidance always backing me up, supporting me in whatever I attempt> fail or success..I am supported and still embraced.
 
Through his dominance and authority>
I am free to risk because I am safe no matter what happens from trying.  ( and for someone who use to be afraid the consequences of me trying or risking was to great for me to handle by myself, this ability now really does feel like freedom)
 
 
freedom through His passion and desires.
  Where he takes Us, physically, gives me freedom to feel all my feelings.  I have always been an emotional person, but much of my emotional self was guarded or tempered at least.  I had so much unexpressed>, from tears, to intense need, to extreme desires to scream and struggle.  With Master I do feel free to express whatever  comes out of me naturally...no holds barred, infact he insists on free flowing thought, actions, passion. 
There is alot of freedom in knowing  no matter what comes out of me ( be it emotion, verbal, liquid or substance)  it is all embraced and is allll ok and wanted in his eyes. 
 
so I feel freedom to feel and of expression....expression in many different forms tho'..
 
 

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RE: Freedom through slavery/submission - 11/14/2007 7:01:16 AM   
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quote:

To me, it's no different than a mother who goes to Wal-Mart with her five kids and they are running all over the place causing havoc and making trouble. She is forcing me to take part in her trainwreck of an undisciplined homelife. So my thinking is this...if they don't like what they see, just don't look at it and walk away. Make sense?

No....it makes NO sense. Two wrongs don't make a right.


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