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Guantanamo: dont send me home ! - 11/13/2007 3:06:20 PM

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It was reported on the BBC tonight , Tues he 13th Nov, that some people held in Gitmo dont want to be sent home because its just too dangerous lol. Tunisia was named as the country where they dont want to go, ie their home country governed by Islamic gentlemen.

Oh dear what do the PC brigade have to say about that ?

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RE: Guantanamo: dont send me home ! - 11/13/2007 3:17:01 PM

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All i have to say is you are a snob if you watch bbc news

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RE: Guantanamo: dont send me home ! - 11/13/2007 3:44:19 PM

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I'd say it must be pretty horrible to be kidnapped by the USA for five years, tortured daily, then when they realise that they have no reason to hold you and never did, returned you to a country where you can expect more torture or possible execution merely for coming under the suspicion of the USA.

But then seeks, you are one of those who seems to believe that arrest equals conviction and that anyone with brown skin and an arabic sounding name is automatically guilty of whatever crime the USA alleges and is not even deserving of a proper trial before punishment. Or do you mean that if a few (hundred or thousand) innocents have to suffer in the war on terror, so be it, as long as you are kept safe?

I'd certainly say it isn't funny but laugh away if you must.

Gee, does this make me PC now?

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RE: Guantanamo: dont send me home ! - 11/13/2007 3:45:16 PM

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4 letters---- spin.

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RE: Guantanamo: dont send me home ! - 11/13/2007 3:57:20 PM

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Zensee: an American govnt spokesperson on the programme said that it would put too many people at risk if the US govnt had to reveal in open court the source of the info. that caused the US to hold these err err philosophers. lol

Surely even you can recognise that something is not quite right when they, the Gitmo detainees, dont want to be sent home?

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RE: Guantanamo: dont send me home ! - 11/13/2007 5:08:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Zensee: an American govnt spokesperson on the programme said that it would put too many people at risk if the US govnt had to reveal in open court the source of the info. that caused the US to hold these err err philosophers. lol

Surely even you can recognise that something is not quite right when they, the Gitmo detainees, dont want to be sent home?

I agree something is not right when some illegal detainees don't want to be delivered into the hands of governments even less concerned with human rights and the rule of law than the Greatest Contry in the World is.

The national security argument can be used to trump all objections to fair trial. That does not mean there actually is any real threat to security posed by reasonably open trials of the accused. Trials could be held in a way to provide reasonable protection of both security and the right of an accused person to be heard. Conveniently we may never know.

However, if they have no grounds to hold certain persons and admit as much by repatriating them, then they have a duty of care not to return innocent people to peril.

The Canadian citizen, Maher Arar, is a case in point, even though he never went to Gitmo. He was sent to Syria where, on the merest whiff of suspicion by the Canadian and US governmemt, was subject to imprisonment and torture.

We are not talking about occasional failures in intelligence or procedure - we are talking about the systematic abuse of international law.

Lucky for you (and me, for that matter) that the 9/11 attacks were not perpetrated by the King George Army, a shadowy organisation, formed by middle aged, white males of British descent, dedicated to correcting the error of the War of American Treachery. We might be having this "philosophical" conversation in Gitmo ourselves.

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RE: Guantanamo: dont send me home ! - 11/13/2007 5:11:59 PM

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There's that phrase again, "Human Rights!"

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RE: Guantanamo: dont send me home ! - 11/13/2007 5:12:46 PM

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