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luckydog1 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 1:14:49 AM)
Plamegate does not exist, just made up stuff from Air America and other partisan left wingers, like Daily Kos. Same folks who feed you lies abuot poll numbers, which you apperantly can't comprehend. How can I explain what doesn't exist. Armitage leaked her name to the media. You have already admitted it. We agree on that. She was not outed by or on Cheneys orders. After she was outed, regardles of intent, her cover was blown and contacts compromised. After her cover was blown she was out and not secret. It was investigated and there was no crime. You can can blather about treason all day if you like. You still started a thread based on a lie for political reasons, and are afraid? to discuss that. And want to change the subject. You reject the results of our judicial system, we all grasp that.

Owner59 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 1:26:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Plamegate does not exist, just made up stuff from Air America and other partisan left wingers, like Daily Kos. Same folks who feed you lies abuot poll numbers, which you apperantly can't comprehend. How can I explain what doesn't exist. Armitage leaked her name to the media. You have already admitted it. We agree on that. She was not outed by or on Cheneys orders. After she was outed, regardles of intent, her cover was blown and contacts compromised. After her cover was blown she was out and not secret. It was investigated and there was no crime. You can can blather about treason all day if you like. You still started a thread based on a lie for political reasons, and are afraid? to discuss that. And want to change the subject. You reject the results of our judicial system, we all grasp that. That cool-aid`s reallll tasty,isn`t it? http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/103/valerie_plame http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/05/01/tenet_plame.shtml "She's one of my officers," Tenet said. "That's wrong. Big time wrong; you don't get to do that. And the chilling effect that you have inside my work force is 'Whoa, now officers' names are being thrown out the door. Hold it. Not right.'" Asked how much damage had been done, he replied: "That's not the point. Just because there's a Washington bloodletting game going on here and just because her husband's out there saying what he's saying. The country's intelligence officers are not fair game. Period. That's all you need to know." Hey luckydog,when Tenent said "That's all you need to know",he was talking to you,and all of the skeptics and prevaricators out there. She was not fair game,and you haven`t expalined this yet. You can use small words if you need to.

Owner59 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 1:50:42 AM)
http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/hearings/hearing23/transcript.pdf Valerie Plame was a covert agent

luckydog1 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 1:53:58 AM)
larouchepac. Kattie kouric Interviewing Plame (CBS News), nice sources. Why don't you quote me Tenet talking about Cheney? Because you can't. I think your intrepretation of what Tenet is saying is as faulty as your reading of Polls. All this nonsense to avoid the fact that you were lying or seriously confused about Poll numbers....To recap since you started going off topic You OP with 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush. (which is an absolute falsehood) After you were corrected you esponded with "I fucked up,and switched some numbers around, by mistake. I meant to say that 64% of voters think bush abused his power.I`ll take that as true,also. 61% of voters think that Chaney should be impeached. I think of them as two heads from the same monster. There`s not really a lick of difference between them. My mistake ,for confusing the two. " When in fact it is 43% not 61%. Proving you can't comprehend what you read, then for some reason (lack of Honesty, lack of Character,??) you refuse to admit you were wrong, and want to change the subject to Plamegate. You seem to have slipped into the Real world of debate. I guess you can't process that Randi lied to you, and that Randi knows you are dumb enough to buy it.

Owner59 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 2:06:42 AM)
Plamegate does not exist, just made up stuff from Air America and other partisan left wingers, like Daily Kos. The facts say different. Did Tenant say those things ,or not?Time to fess up,luckydog.... Still trying to defend treason,I see. You must really be stressed out trying to do that. Here,I`ll connect the dots for ya. Crime committed-CIA leak Scooter Libby - Chaney. Carl Rove-bush The time-line,all spelled out and sourced. http://dkosopedia.com/wiki/Plame_Leak_timeline

luckydog1 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 2:17:22 AM)
Tenet said them, but you are posting them out of context and with out including the referant, A Real ly weak trick to do. Basically all you are doing is posting a left wing Blog. Wierd before you admitted that Armitage was the leaker, now list names with out his. The Daily Kos admits Armitage was the Leaker. So you and your Source agree with me. As to whether a crime occured,a rather lenghty investigation was conducted, and it was found that no Crime was commited, and No treason occurred. You were citing that investigation before. I don't see any Plame gate. I see you disembling to avoid being caught in a lie.

meatcleaver -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 2:49:13 AM)
Does anyone really believe a poll is more than holding up a wet finger in the wind? When the wind is strong enough you don't need to hold a finger up to know which way it is blowing.

Crush -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 4:13:19 AM)
:popcorn: I want some popcorn...and a seat in this theatre

OrionTheWolf -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 7:49:38 AM)
Popcorn and beer would be good. Directly lying about facts, is a lie. Then the person that created the lie, lied about the lie with another lie. Now that person is wanting to talk about politicians lying, so that other posters will stop putting him on the spot about his lying. Is this not a good reflection of how our government works? Heh, all the world is a stage. Owner59, even though alot of what you have posted in the past has been biased, I still paid attention to it and read it. If you are going to lie about facts, then create another lie to cover the first lie, then try and misdirect the accusations by talking about another subject, I do not see much difference in principles between you and those you condemn, such as Bush and company. I agree these are many things that those in our administration should answer for, but the way you are handling it, it makes it look like the pot is calling the kettle black. How can you condemn others for their unethical, and immoral acts, when you act unethical as well? Orion

Alumbrado -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 8:36:57 AM)
quote: larouchepac. Kattie kouric Interviewing Plame (CBS News), nice sources. Do a little research on the Larouchies, and you will understand why you are wasting your breath trying to reason with our resident one. They won a lawsuit allowing them to set up on the sidewalks leading to DMVs in Virginia, and harangue everyone coming or going with the sort of stuff Owner59 trots out here.

Owner59 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 8:56:54 AM)
I don`t follow Lindin Larouche,they are like the Moonies,just weird.He`s a crook,if I`m not mistaken,and did jail time.I used Tenants transcript from their web page.And only tenants words. Tenants words,were his words.I posted them to show that the Valery Plame affair isn`t something "made up". http://www.nndb.com/people/634/000024562/

BringerOfTears -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 9:01:05 AM)
Luckydog1 quote: As to whether a crime occured,a rather lenghty investigation was conducted, and it was found that no Crime was commited, and No treason occurred. You do realize that what one can prove and what happened are often two very different things, or do you believe OJ is innocent? So, from now on, we can expect that you will ONLY mention things were there were convictions? Considering you supported impeaching a sitting president over a private sexual escapade, one would think your standards are pretty low. Clearly your standards for those you worship is quite different...LMFAO at your hypocricy!

farglebargle -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 9:03:54 AM)
quote: Basically all you are doing is posting a left wing Blog. Are we talking about the direct link to the Senate transcript as if it's a blog, or did I miss another link somewhere.

farglebargle -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 9:05:53 AM)
quote: I agree these are many things that those in our administration should answer for, but the way you are handling it, it makes it look like the pot is calling the kettle black. How can you condemn others for their unethical, and immoral acts, when you act unethical as well? Unethically. It's an adverb. Since the DOJ has been gutted of "The Few Good Men", and replaced with guaranteed religious fundamentalist "Christian Extremist" crazies, what do you suggest doing?

pinkme2 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 9:38:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 This includes republicans, also. http://americanresearchgroup.com/ You are misinterpreting the data. Or you are lying. It's so hard to tell these days.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 4:21:27 PM)
Not sure how your comment ties to my quote. Justification of unethical actions, for whatever reason, is denying the same corruption you are complaining against. At least admit to it when you do it. Orion quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: I agree these are many things that those in our administration should answer for, but the way you are handling it, it makes it look like the pot is calling the kettle black. How can you condemn others for their unethical, and immoral acts, when you act unethical as well? Unethically. It's an adverb. Since the DOJ has been gutted of "The Few Good Men", and replaced with guaranteed religious fundamentalist "Christian Extremist" crazies, what do you suggest doing?

farglebargle -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 6:49:00 PM)
Pragmatically, we need to address the fact that the alleged criminals have gone through the DOJ and replaced all the US Attorneys and DOJ Staffers responsible for holding them accountable with people guaranteed sympathetic to overlooking the alleged crimes.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/16/2007 8:27:59 PM)
I am not denying that at all, and actually agree with it. What I my post is refering to, is lying about the statistics. We the people not only have an obligation to keep an eye on our government, but to do so in an ethical manner. Otherwise we are compromising principles, which is what has led to alot of the problems in this nation. Orion BTW: Even though I am a conservative (not republican), I am all for hearings or proceedings to hold anyone in any administration responsible for wrong doings. We need to stop bringing up the past, and pick a point in time that this is implemented for everyone in government. quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Pragmatically, we need to address the fact that the alleged criminals have gone through the DOJ and replaced all the US Attorneys and DOJ Staffers responsible for holding them accountable with people guaranteed sympathetic to overlooking the alleged crimes.

Hottiegurl -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/17/2007 2:46:29 AM)
[/quote] They never call you?That means they don`t exist ,I guess. I think you`re out of touch about bush/Chaney being better. I don`t see how anyone could do worse. [/quote] I enjoy that you put words into my mouth. "that means they don't exist" then say I guess so you can feel better about it. Polling is just that, it means nothing. You can make it fit your goal or mine. Just raise your plus or minus error rate. Then I seem to remember a statement made a few weeks ago. That if the work Bush laid down these past few years works for the better that in 100 years he may be considered one of our greatest presidents. Since we are not fortune tellers we may not know until the history books are written. If the Berlin Wall can be broken and we can see one chinese student take on a tank ( to show others what can be done) who is to say that our services in Iraq wont have wonderful historical promise in the future.

luckydog1 -> RE: 61% of VOTERS,want to impeach bush (11/17/2007 3:23:30 PM)
Just ot get this back on Topic for anyone tuning in late. The OP is completely incorrect. 34% want to see Bush impeached according to the cited article, not 61% which seems to have been either made up out of thin air or repeated from the Randi Rhoads show on Air America. http://americanresearchgroup.com/

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