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Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 6:41:35 AM   
lockmeupplease


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Status: offline 		This question is for subs/slaves who consider themselves "financial slaves" or enjoy "financial domination".

There are many dominant women on this site who refer to this, and though some unfortunately appear to be looking for a quick buck, it does seem to be something that some subs seek.

Could those of you who genuinely do enjoy this please tell me about your arrangement and how it makes you feel? 
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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 6:59:15 AM   
shootingstar67


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Status: offline 		I am not sure what "financial domination" is. I guess I should have googled it before answering.

I would require my Dominant(on some level ) to fall into the provider role.  I think this has more to do with my being a woman then a submissive. Because i know male submissives don't feel that way( generally)

Also I could accept my money being controlled by my Dominant. Meaning I would hand my money over to them(assuming I had my own money) and they could use it as a tool to control me.

But I would really have to trust them -it would be a great honor for them-and a sign of my great trust and respect- to allow them to dominate me in that way.

Now that I have run off at the mouth.. I will go google that =).

Later...

Ok here it is--from wikipedia

Financial Domination is a fetish related to domination and humiliation. It involves a submissive (typically male) paying money and buying gifts for their master/mistress (typically female), while receiving little but humiliation in return. Financial domination is generally done online and via phone calls without physical contact between the participants. A submissive in such a relationship is sometimes called a pay piggie or "paypet."

No I totally don't get off on that. But I am a woman.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 10:15:45 AM   
Shawn1066


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Status: offline 		I've always looked at that particular fetish as an example of what can go wrong when there are so many submissives but very few dominants.

Of course, then again...if they're -REALLY- happy...  Then I guess  it's their business.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 10:26:06 AM   
InnocentYoungSub


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Status: offline 		I just e-mailed a pro Domme who is interested in online domination which includes "tributes". I've never done this. I shall find out what this entails. I'm almost 100% I don't make enough money but I'm curious...

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 10:38:50 AM   
1969slave


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Status: offline 		after moving my position from my husbands submissive to his slave one of his conditions was for me to sigh over my private and our joint assets to him. even my paycheck was direct deposited into one of his accounts. later when he asked for a divorce ( which is easy without joint property) i soon realized how bound to him i was.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 10:48:02 AM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		I've known a few women who engaged in financial domination.  The men who cater to that kink seemed to be emotional masochists on a very profound level.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 10:59:02 AM   
YourhandMyAss


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Status: offline 		There's also the responcible side to FD. Where the women helps him manage his money and his assets, if he's poor at that kind of thing. He gives her all his money she invests it in a bank account, hands him out an allowance every month, and see's to it he's not over spending or wasting his money.

That's however not as common I believe as the give me gifts and your money just cause I want you to be my atm piggybank.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 5:45:13 PM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		YHMA,

I think that domination with a financial element is distinctly different in form and usage than financial domination.  A man who seeks a relationship with a woman, with the expectation of having his finances 'dominated' doesn't conjure the thought of her giving him an allowance and responsibly managing his assets like an investment banker.

Stephan

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 5:53:45 PM   
RumpusParable


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quote:

ORIGINAL: shootingstar67

Financial Domination is a fetish related to domination and humiliation. It involves a submissive (typically male) paying money and buying gifts for their master/mistress (typically female), while receiving little but humiliation in return. Financial domination is generally done online and via phone calls without physical contact between the participants. A submissive in such a relationship is sometimes called a pay piggie or "paypet."


I'm gonna have to hop over to Wiki as that's nowhere complete!  That's just one form!

It also includes (but is not limited to), varying of course on the people and the level of trust established:

Goddess and other forms of worship that focus on gifts of money and items
putting a sub on an allowance
restricting what days or what things they can spend on (sometimes at the drop of a hat)
having them pay or gift to be released (or kept in) chastity

and more involved forms of total finance control where all accounts are handled by the Mistress (bills and payments, savings plans, charity donations, what car is bought, whatever, you name it) and the sub has to be given permission to use any money.

With or without humiliation for being under her control in these ways.

< Message edited by RumpusParable -- 11/15/2007 5:56:27 PM >

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 6:01:28 PM   
RumpusParable


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

YHMA,

I think that domination with a financial element is distinctly different in form and usage than financial domination.  A man who seeks a relationship with a woman, with the expectation of having his finances 'dominated' doesn't conjure the thought of her giving him an allowance and responsibly managing his assets like an investment banker.

Stephan


Yes, but both exist... Similar setup but different motivations.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 6:04:53 PM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		Oh, certainly.  But they're also worlds apart in application, form, and mindset.  If it were sex, it'd be the difference of a loving relationship with your submissives credit card, and rape.  I would call it 'domination with a financial control element.'  A bigger mouthful, but clearly illustrates a very different relationship than 'money domme/piggie'

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 6:09:51 PM   
RumpusParable


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Status: offline 		Using sex as an analogy, I'd more say it's the difference between keeping your shoes on and keeping your shoes on because you both have a shoe fetish.


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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 6:27:00 PM   
XaviersXian


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Status: offline 		greetings to all,

This concept is part and parcel of xian's slavery to her Master...she may have legal control of her finances in the outside world, but she most definitely does not have control of them inside her relationship.  She trusts her Master to be a mature, responsible adult, and so her situation is not something she worries about.

have a wonderful day,

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 6:30:54 PM   
Stephann


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Status: offline 		In this, I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Agreed, the activity may be similar, but the motivations behind all involved are clearly, strikingly different.  For that reason, I'd say lumping them under the same name to be quite misleading.  I, personally, enjoy control over the finances of my household.  Yet I enjoy it within the context of relationship.  That's very different from demanding slaves pay me tribute for my time.  This isn't a statement on the validity of either activity; what consenting adults wish to do is what they wish to do, and have every right to do so.  I'm only pointing out that, like rape and sex, they are distinctly different activities even if they superficially appear the same.

Stephan


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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 7:52:41 PM   
lockmeupplease


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Status: offline 		Thank you all for your thoughtful responses!

Though the thread has only been up for a day, I have not heard from one sub who serves a "financial domme" and find the act of paying in and of itself fulfilling.  Those of you that have finances controlled as a small part of a multi-faceted relationship gave good info, but it wasn't quite what I was trying to get at.

It seems that every page of female dominant profiles is LOADED with people (notice I didn't give a gender) trying to prey on subs who have been unsuccessful in their search to give them money with promises of some sort of attention.  Before I totally judged them, I wanted to first see if their was a real desire for what they are "offering".  If so, who am I to look down on something another finds fulfilling.

Additional thoughts would be quite welcome!


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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 9:47:07 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		Females tend to be too reminded of being whores and not valued enough for who they are and what they can provide if they are bluntly exposed to being a financial provider (aka the traditional male role) to enjoy it for the most part.

For me, I'm a fairly masculine tendency type.  I view money as practical means and a very direct way to provide service.  I'm materialistic as well, so providing material means is very meaningful to what I can offer to my partner.  I greatly enjoy being used in this way.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 9:59:18 PM   
MystressDream


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quote:

ORIGINAL: lockmeupplease

Thank you all for your thoughtful responses!

Though the thread has only been up for a day, I have not heard from one sub who serves a "financial domme" and find the act of paying in and of itself fulfilling.  Those of you that have finances controlled as a small part of a multi-faceted relationship gave good info, but it wasn't quite what I was trying to get at.

It seems that every page of female dominant profiles is LOADED with people (notice I didn't give a gender) trying to prey on subs who have been unsuccessful in their search to give them money with promises of some sort of attention.  Before I totally judged them, I wanted to first see if their was a real desire for what they are "offering".  If so, who am I to look down on something another finds fulfilling.

Additional thoughts would be quite welcome!




Excuse me????  What a blatant exaggeration!!  Cute the way you say "notice I didn't give a gender" when you said point blank this comment was about "every page of female dominant profiles".
 
Many of us are NOT pros, nor do we look for "tributes" or money slaves.  I will tell you, however, that it may surprise you how many emails I get offering just that.  Not my cup of tea.
 
You have chosen, however, to point a finger at and slap every Female Dominant out there.  I would like to hear if Action approves of this posting.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/15/2007 10:15:27 PM   
MistressGayle


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Status: offline 		I totally agree with you, Stephann. There is a world of difference. I have also been solicited by males wanting  to send tributes; that's not My thing, and I have refused them all.

However, the slaves I do own, are owned -- as is everything they are and bring into the household. And, for the record, none of them manage money well and are thrilled to hand it over... it's "part" of the lifestyle and owning slaves, not THE part. For Me, it's the "entire package" -- not just finances...

I would never entangle Myself in someone's finances (other than clients) if I didn't own them -- it's just too much responsibility, and liability.

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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/16/2007 4:26:47 AM   
lockmeupplease


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Status: offline 		Mystress Dream----No offense intended!!!  First of all, by comments were not intended for Professional Dommes or those seeking tribute---I tributed my Miss and will continue to offer gifts as a part of being her chastity slave.  My "didn't give a gender" comment refers to the pictures that are clearly not of the wirter of the profile.  Last year I was corresponding with someone who did indeed turn out to be a man posing as a Domme!

The fact that you get e-mails from self-described "money slaves" tells me that type of sub is very real and I would love to hear their point of view.


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RE: Financial Slavery - 11/16/2007 6:30:33 AM   
lateralist1


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Status: offline 		The fact that a Domme receives emails from someone claiming that they are interested in 'financial domination' doesn't mean that they actually are. Some people just like fishing expeditions.
I agree that some men are prepared to pay for a service.Why not if they can afford it?
It gives them control which they don't have in vanilla life.
I agree that part of owning a sub or a slave means that you have the reponsibility of controling his money. But that's part and parcel of beng a wife or mother or it was anyway. In my grandparents generation it was accepted that in a good family husbands and sons all tipped up their wages to their wives or mothers and got pocket money back. The matriach would then use the money wisely for the household and save or invest the extra to provide homes for the sons when they got married. The lifestyle often reinvents the wheel.
I could go on to give lots of other examples but they are not relevant to this thread.

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