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here... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

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# The U.N. and U.S. intelligence sources have known for some time that Saddam Hussein has materials to produce chemical and biological weapons, but he has not accounted for them:

* 26,000 liters of anthrax—enough to kill several million people
* 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin
* 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agents

# Almost 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents
# From three Iraqi defectors, we know that Iraq in the late 1990s had several mobile biological weapons labs. But he has not disclosed them.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
I said that the ground rules for effective governance are wholly different, and incompatible with Western Democracy.

NOT that the Iraqis were in any respect "uncivilized". They just have DIFFERENT RULES. Ignorance of those rules is a hallmark of unsophistication and misunderstanding the Political, Strategic, and Tactical missions.

Your statement is predicated on the assumption that "Western Democracy" == "Civilization".

That assumption is incorrect. Which AGAIN goes to show the basic unsophistication and inadequacy of Bush's policy and its proponents.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

I want to also note that it is not just the Far left that hates Bush.  The Far Right does also.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

farg, why would you think the COR is required to approve the cabinet?

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The Iraqi Constitution specifically gives the procedure for what happens if they don't. And with the exception of time limits they followed it to the letter. It was the first time they have ever compromised politically like this and it took an extra 3 weeks, so what.

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You seem to be desperatley trying to find a reason to justify to detroying them.

Is there any reason other than your hatred of Bush?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

I want to also note that it is not just the Far left that hates Bush. The Far Right does also.

The far right that hates Bush is so far right that they've gone full circle, and are now almost completely indistinguishable from the far left

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Yes, Farg there were tons of un accounted for Sarin, mustard and VX.

We have been through this many times. Saddam was not in complaince with the sanctions as he was required to be. That is a true statement by Bush.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Samboct.  Thank you for perfectly illustrating the Bathos you talk about.  consider what you wrote.

"The logic of the liberals (and most others) is quite simple.

1)  GWB claimed that there were WMD in Iraq that posed a grave threat to the safety of the USA.
2)  We invaded a sovereign nation as a preemptive strike under the pronouncement that our security was at stake.
3)  No WMD were found.

Hence, our original assertion was in error- and therefore the invasion was in error as well. QED. "

But the thing you are ignoring, much like the color of the sky, is that Bush sent a resolution to congress giving the reasons.  The congress approved it.  You can read the whole text of the
"Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq "

here...  http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/20021002-2.html

here are a few excerpts that are non wmd related

Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait;
 
Come on! This is making up reasons for an illegal invasion.


Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Absolute bullshit.

Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

Apart from in Republican America you do know that throughout the world this is regarded as absolute bullshit.


Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens;
 
This is also absolute bullshit.


To say that possession of WMD was the sole reason is as silly as saying the sky is green.  Yet some people continue to argue it. 

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the negotiations took longer than they should have, which does have a lot to do with the events on the ground.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Ahh reduced to silly word games Farg, why is it that your positions always seem to revert to that?

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Farg, something known to have previously existed, being unaccounted for, does not mean it neccessarily continues to exist. You know that we all do. Basic simple logic. Saddam was required to account for all of it as part of Complaince with the Sanctions.

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Please cite to me anywhere in the Iraqi Constiotution that forbids negotiations among parties and individuals. This is just ridiculous now.

Thanks for illustrating what hate does to a person for us Farg...