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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/19/2007 6:32:59 PM   
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HeavansKeeper, CdnExplorer, MasterFireMaam, HaveRopeWillBind, TexasMaam,dcnovice, Aflyinyourweb, all.

Your response and welcome is overwhelming. I have some homework and thinking to do before I can begin to respond to some of your excellent questions and observations.

Many thanks.

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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/20/2007 9:29:35 PM   
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TexasMaam,

"Are you trying to say that you don't understand why you are having them, or that you don't understand the effect those feelings have on you? Or are you trying to say that you don't understand where the feelings originate from?"

Yes to all of these; I've tried to put some of these randomish feelings into words.

These I find confusing:

Why I cannot look a woman in the eyes without struggling?

When speaking to a woman all I can think about is me kneeling between her thighs with the smell of her sex on my face and lips, and her hands in my hair pressing me into her.

A woman in boots and a skirt will put me in a spin that will last the afternoon; I will just be lost in my head replaying images in my mind.

This I find frustrating:

When seeking pleasure the images in my mind are those of women finding pleasure in my discomfort, frustration and humiliation. And this is where it gets circular and exponential: To then be forced to acknowledge my pleasure from being frustrated and humiliated -- which is then far more frustrating, humiliating and pleasurable. Lather, rinse, repeat. And then my mind just goes "snap".

This I don't understand:

How in the world did this stuff get in my head? It's been there, in some form, for as long as I can remember. How is it these thoughts have the ability to disrupt and displace everything else?

This is a response to your post; there are other posts with slightly different tacks to which I have not yet responded.

Thank you for taking time to read this; I appreciate any insights you can provide.



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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/24/2007 10:49:18 AM   
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It sounds as though you have a lot of fetish fantasies going on, and yes, from a fairly submissive point of view.

If looking a woman in the eyes is a struggle for you, it might not be so much a submissive trait as it is an inability to admit that you see this woman, or any woman, as a sex object.

One of the first things you might want to consider is trying to separate the two.  Push your sexual fantasies away for the moment to engage the Woman before you on a human level, first.  You can always have time to reminisce from a sexual point of view later on during the day, or night.

Men in general have sexual thoughts and fantasies every few minutes throughout the day, so that's not so unusual.

What is unusual is that you can't stop your circle of thought, probably because you don't want to.  Think of your thoughts as a wheel.  At the top of the wheel is a thought, or an imagining.  You see a woman in boots and a skirt, and you think 'Hot!'.  That thought invokes feelings, like the tingling in your cock, and your eyes drop and you struggle to look at her face.  That invokes more feelings, like guilt, or shame, or embarrassment because you don't want her to know what you're thinking.  The embarrassment thought invokes perhaps an image of a woman who is amused or pleased by your discomfort, and as the circle continues around the quarter mark you're body responds to that image by giving you goose bumps and engorging your cock further, which makes you think of going down on her and feeling her hand in your hair, pulling you into her snatch, and so on and so forth.

All thoughts/feelings/responses give rise to more thoughts/feelings/responses.  If you're not aware of the process, and begin to focus on a specific repeat pattern, it simply creates a never ending 'video' in your mind.

The question is, do you want to 'stop' or modify the video to give you a chance to interact with this person on a real level for awhile?  If so, tell yourself 'stop' and actively change your thought pattern.  Interrupt the sexual thoughts by actually telling yourself the word 'stop, think sales revenue report', which will divert your mind to the subject at hand. 

It's difficult at first, you have to stop, redirect, stop, redirect, over and over again until you can raise your eyes to her and address whatever the issue is at hand.

In the privacy of your home, later, or in the privacy of a 20 minute break at work, let your mind consciously wander to the 'video' again and enjoy the fantasies.

Just be sure to interrupt the video again with the 'stop' command, and the redirect to a more productive thought, so that you can continue to function at your job, with coworkers, in the marketplace, as you need to.

Some individuals are more focused on, or engaged in obcessive thought or fantasy than others, usually because they give their thoughts free reign without ever learning how to use the 'stop' command at appropriate times.

It's a matter of self discipline, chemistry and hormones.  No two people are alike in that respect.

I think many of those of us who are Domme's are women who tend to focus on sex and fantasy much more than the average woman. 

Some of us learn to control those thoughts but it takes effort and practice.

I'll give you a good example:  There's a man at work who goes out of his way to call Me 'Ma'am', every time he brings a sales order for Me to approve.  He bows his head, and approaches me in a very soft spoken way, handing Me his sales order with his eyes lowered, sometimes blushing.  You guessed it:  I have to say 'stop! focus! sales order!' or within moments I'll be drifting off to a very Dominant fantasy of My own, and will revisit My own little 'video' off and all throughout the day, imagining all sorts of delightful scenarios.

You didn't think obcessive thoughts were the purview of submissives, only, did you?

; )

TexasMaam

PS  Let me gather a few thoughts on the origins of your fantasies and I'll post again soon.

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ORIGINAL: TermsConditions

TexasMaam,

"Are you trying to say that you don't understand why you are having them, or that you don't understand the effect those feelings have on you? Or are you trying to say that you don't understand where the feelings originate from?"

Yes to all of these; I've tried to put some of these randomish feelings into words.

These I find confusing:

Why I cannot look a woman in the eyes without struggling?

When speaking to a woman all I can think about is me kneeling between her thighs with the smell of her sex on my face and lips, and her hands in my hair pressing me into her.

A woman in boots and a skirt will put me in a spin that will last the afternoon; I will just be lost in my head replaying images in my mind.

This I find frustrating:

When seeking pleasure the images in my mind are those of women finding pleasure in my discomfort, frustration and humiliation. And this is where it gets circular and exponential: To then be forced to acknowledge my pleasure from being frustrated and humiliated -- which is then far more frustrating, humiliating and pleasurable. Lather, rinse, repeat. And then my mind just goes "snap".

This I don't understand:

How in the world did this stuff get in my head? It's been there, in some form, for as long as I can remember. How is it these thoughts have the ability to disrupt and displace everything else?

This is a response to your post; there are other posts with slightly different tacks to which I have not yet responded.

Thank you for taking time to read this; I appreciate any insights you can provide.





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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/24/2007 6:35:18 PM   
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When struggling with the hows and whys of my submission, I read.  A lot.  I read everything from terrible fiction to very useful how-to type books on BDSM.  The fiction can be helpful when sorting through what aspects of the fantasy appeal to you most.  The more psychological and how-to books are helpful in other areas, including becoming more comfortable with these aspects of yourself.  I often like to read about a subject from more than one angle, so I read the dominant books as well (and  simultaneously, though not because of this, discovered that I am really a switch)  In any event, if reading helps you, I am particularly fond of the New Bottoming Book and The New Topping Book.   Other people probably have other good suggestions. 

Personally, I have found the root to many of my desires in childhood.  Nothing crazy, either.  I just had parents who expected me to do chores and do them well, and I was praised for it, coupled with having a very submissive oriented mom as a role model.  Many things are rooted in childhood, without being creepy and freudian.

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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/25/2007 10:28:37 AM   
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That's exactly what I returned to post for TermsConditions today, beltaine, well said.: I have found the root to many of my desires in childhood.  Nothing crazy, either.  I just had parents who expected me to do chores and do them well, and I was praised for it, coupled with having a very submissive oriented mom as a role model.  Many things are rooted in childhood, without being creepy and freudian.
 
The advice to begin reading is a great bit of advice, too...  Although I doubt TC will follow up on that.  Men seldom do.

TexasMaam

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ORIGINAL: beltainefaerie

When struggling with the hows and whys of my submission, I read.  A lot.  I read everything from terrible fiction to very useful how-to type books on BDSM.  The fiction can be helpful when sorting through what aspects of the fantasy appeal to you most.  The more psychological and how-to books are helpful in other areas, including becoming more comfortable with these aspects of yourself.  I often like to read about a subject from more than one angle, so I read the dominant books as well (and  simultaneously, though not because of this, discovered that I am really a switch)  In any event, if reading helps you, I am particularly fond of the New Bottoming Book and The New Topping Book.   Other people probably have other good suggestions. 

Personally, I have found the root to many of my desires in childhood.  Nothing crazy, either.  I just had parents who expected me to do chores and do them well, and I was praised for it, coupled with having a very submissive oriented mom as a role model.  Many things are rooted in childhood, without being creepy and freudian.


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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/25/2007 8:15:39 PM   
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How do you feel out of control, what are you losing control of? 
Are you not ready to give up control?
Who is the power going to?
Do you trust them with that power?



HeavansKeeper,

I appreciate you sharing your experiences and also your guiding questions.

Professionally, I feel increasingly responsible for more and more things that must remain in control. At times I feel overwhelmed by these demands. Who doesn't?

I like to be led, but absent leadership I will lead. I will supplant poor leadership when I encounter it and I have high standards. And I have high expectations of my own efforts.

One result is that I consistently find myself outside my comfort zone directing people and championing ideas.

On reflection, I don't want to give up control. Bad things happen when I do. But maybe there is a portion of existence where it would be ok for "bad things to happen." Maybe I'd even want bad things to happen. Giving up control would be a release from that undesired but self-inflicted "control role."

Finding release in being bound, or to cede control to someone so that they can make "bad things" happen is hard to grasp; it's like working with some kind of dualistic, self-referenctial, double-sided tape; it difficult to untangle..

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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/25/2007 8:48:27 PM   
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Thank you Beltaine for your kind advice. I've been reflecting for a few days in an organized way on the puzzle of the origins of my feelings and this has led to some additional insight. Intuition normally serves me very well but not in this effort.

And your advice to read as much as possible is taken to heart.




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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/25/2007 9:19:23 PM   
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Thank you TexasMaam for your generous response.

"You didn't think obcessive thoughts were the purview of submissives, only, did you?"

I thought dominates were supposed to be the ones in control. :-)

The technique you shared for helping redirect my thoughts and interactions seems sound and I appreciate you taking the time to share that with me.

And though your observation may be generally correct, even in regards to me, I will so read! I am capable, perhaps compelled, to follow advice. I've started The Control Book and an archive of Akasha's Web Articles. And unless I'm mistaken ther may be some FemDom fiction available on the web.

Thanks again for your time and and your thoughtful responses. As I noted in another response I have begun to garner some insights into the evolution of some of my fantacies and compulsions.



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The Eye's have it! Was: RE: Like a ringing in my ears t... - 11/27/2007 4:51:43 PM   
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TexasMaam,

I hope you get a laugh from this as that is the spirit in which it is offered. I have mentioned having difficulty looking women in the eye and you provided some insights. 

And your avatar is The Eye. I assumed it was a photo that you uploaded. I've since discovered it is from a library of avatars.

Prior to my discovery (and since, actually) I spent some significant effort either looking to the lower right of the screen so as not to offend The Eye or simply being transfixed by The Eye.

Basically, I've been been significantly nonplussed by ClipArt.:-)

Obviously, knowing you are "behind" The Eye is the Primum Mobile of it's great power.

Anyway...back to avoiding direct contact of the eye variety with You Know Who.

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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/28/2007 1:40:57 PM   
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Mate, take it straight from the horses mouth. This place can make you feel like your in a jungle. There are Dommes especially from the female side that there profiles sound like if you ever get accepted you will be swallowed alive. There are other profiles who appear as exactly as what you ask for and can find out there are fakes. There are Dommes who can take a witch hunt on outspoken subs. i would suggest that this place is only good for finding friends first and see where it develops from there. Some of the dommes will sound pretty hostile or may plainly ignore you. You have to remember you need to contain your feelings all the time.. If you have "sex appeal" you will be half way there. It all depends on luck to. Just take it easy and enjoy the ride but remember all relationships are very hard to find no matter what you are or where you come from. i would've appreciated from my side a more relaxed atmosphere but this is the wrong place if you expect that!! Good luck..

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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/28/2007 1:46:10 PM   
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Petpete, I don't know what on earth you wanted from us.  I think everyone was friendly on your thread, as they are on this one. 

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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/28/2007 1:59:39 PM   
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Excuse me Maam.. i'm not referring to Your region. Its the down under region which the ladies are quite frankly to much up themselves.. lol Sorry Maam. i have met some great people coming from the rest of the world but i would not suggest any subs looking for ladies from the southern hemisphere unless they love to be treated as doormats before they even get met. Regrets again my Lady, but was only referring to my part of the world. Cheers..

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RE: Like a ringing in my ears that will not go away - 11/28/2007 9:17:11 PM   
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This I don't understand:

How in the world did this stuff get in my head? It's been there, in some form, for as long as I can remember. How is it these thoughts have the ability to disrupt and displace everything else?



We are exposed to images of bondage from the first time someone sits us in front of a TV.  Westerns were usually heavy on bondage, and so were many of the classic cartoon series.  Consider Bugs Bunny.....

Consider that we begin our lives in cages: a crib and playpen come immediately to mind.  We are carefully bond into carriages, strollers, car seats, high chairs....

The "Passion of Christ" in the New Testament is an elaborate BDSM passage.  In the Old Testament, the first FemDom story I ever read was "Samson & Delilah".

So where do we get these fantasies from? 

I say it's anywhere and everywhere we care to look.  The search for the "why" of my desires consummed me for a few years during the early part of the Reagan Administration, but ultimately, I put aside asking myself "why", and began asking myself "why not?" instead.

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