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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/16/2007 9:49:58 PM   
truesub4u2use


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Status: offline 		Funny, I seem to find most DOM profiles are PROFESSIONALS and expect tribute. Even after contact with a couple of DOM's, sooner or later it boils down to the aspest that they are professionals. Is this just another site for PLAYERS?

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/16/2007 11:34:59 PM   
Lumus


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ORIGINAL: Missokyst

While doing a bit of mail on the main site I noticed that quite a few dominant profiles flipping by me in the last 30 mins or so have a similar theme.
"I find myself seeking a slave who is worthy to serve me and will obey all my commands"
"Email me only if you are real and believe you are worthy to become my property"
"You must be young, fit and crave to serve all my needs"
Curiousity got to me after a while and I opened up a few of their profiles.  Most of them listed themselves as experts in a range of play.  But few said anything about what made them worthy to be considered, themselves.
What does "worthy to serve all my needs" mean to you?
Would you consider dropping anyone an introductory email if that was the first thing you saw when looking through profiles?  Why, or why not?
Kyst



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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 12:14:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

While doing a bit of mail on the main site I noticed that quite a few dominant profiles flipping by me in the last 30 mins or so have a similar theme.
"I find myself seeking a slave who is worthy to serve me and will obey all my commands"
"Email me only if you are real and believe you are worthy to become my property"
"You must be young, fit and crave to serve all my needs"
Curiousity got to me after a while and I opened up a few of their profiles.  Most of them listed themselves as experts in a range of play.  But few said anything about what made them worthy to be considered, themselves.
What does "worthy to serve all my needs" mean to you?
Would you consider dropping anyone an introductory email if that was the first thing you saw when looking through profiles?  Why, or why not?
Kyst



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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 6:09:40 AM   
xoxi


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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I value honesty over tact- that doesn't mean that tact isn't important or to be used.  It means when there's a point at which tact becomes unimportant in the pursuit of honesty.  I don't think one's personal ad comes even close to that point and it shows that a person who DOES think so is clearly incompatible with my views on manners and presentation.


Agreed 100%

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 6:30:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truesub4u2use

Funny, I seem to find most DOM profiles are PROFESSIONALS and expect tribute. Even after contact with a couple of DOM's, sooner or later it boils down to the aspest that they are professionals. Is this just another site for PLAYERS?



Just because someone is a professional doesn't mean they are a player. Just because someone thinks highly of themselves and is a pompus ass doesn't mean they're players either. I'm not comparing pprofessionals to all being pompus assholes.

I'm saying there are some pretty damn good tops Doms Dommes submissives slaves servants bottoms sadists masochists daddys girls mommies bois boys and so on and son...that are GREAT at what they do...and they're jerks about it. Just because they're jerks doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about.

On the other hand just because someone chooses to be quite doesn't mean they know everything. Just because someone is on first impression polite and kind doesn't mean they'll be the greatest partner ever and greatest communicator. They could turn around and be the biggest ball of baggage ever and not be able to cope with life at all.

Profiles state nothing of relavence for the most part. They show the person for how they view themselves and want to be seen. Not for who they really are in the world's eyes.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 6:40:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a side note I'm pretty disappointed in the context of this post. I thought it might be something deeper like..

"What does it mean to be 'worthy' to serve? From both D-types and s-types"

However it seems everybody is on a kick about what's in other people's prfiles and the online shit. So yeah this is a complaint about the depth of the topic.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 6:50:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		To me,  the "I am great, and you must be worthy to serve me" profiles are posturing and blustering, and I would be shocked if they were actually Dominant. It's kind of like a motel adverting that they have clean sheets - if they have to state it, they probably don't.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 7:20:02 AM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear Missokyst, Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
I have come across people who inject "if you are worthy" by individuals on both sides of the whip.  I really think most do not understand worth beyond the financial and or investment of time and effort.
 
I also am of the personal opinion that some of these individuals that toss 'worthy to serve' around, often just look at profiles and 'copy-cat' and insert into their profile as to 'pump it up.'  But, like air --it really isn't something that has depth and range as to what 'worth' means to them.
 
I am also one to caution the use as far as arrogance as one person's perception of arrogance might be another person's perception of self security as to who and or what they are--the air of confidence if you will and or 'presence.'  This can be said for any other word use in the context of the individual's texts.  The concern is the 'attitude' of intentions and or of their nature.  Some individuals wish to find some lofty domineering dominant and others may not.  I find that a lot of Female Surpremacy types, can often be caught up into an arrogant role of which it can appear as a dictator instead of a dominant role. 
 
But--really what is it about worthy to serve that is tossed about so, which few understand how to take 'worthy to serve' phrases and dig deeper into what it means to that person?  I like to believe that I am worthy to be served as much as being worthy to being that person's Dominant.  Though some touch the surface, to which money worth and or time worth is all there is to it.  I sincerely feel some lack the understanding that relationships, if 'worth' anything requires equal investment as to benefit from it and see the 'wealth' of their efforts. 
 
Like with many things, where people use words that 'trigger' the buttons to individuals, be it a phrase such as "worthy to serve," and or using a title of Dominant, Master and or Mistress--and on the reverse side of the record vinyl; slaves and submissives use the 'worthy to serve' phrase as well.  In  most cases I've come across--nobody can really deeply discuss what 'worthy to serve' means, as they are so new and haven't gone past the surface--it really is all about 'them' and worth to 'them' that they see--not the larger picture of so many worthwhile qualities of what 'worth' really means.  A lot of self worthy issues go hand and glove with self esteem and their perception of what D/s and or M/s and or BDSM is.  They see the physical dominance over a submissive person but they do not see the investment in getting to that point.
 
The 'worthy to serve and or be served' issue is really an individual issue that has to be reviewed on a 'self' basis.  I like to think in the terms of using "worthy to serve" and or "worthy to be served" as a inquiry as to see how much another has to 'invest' their all into a special relationship.  You see, just as much as a Dominant invests in a slave, so too the slave invests in the Dominant.  It is a mutual growth investment, to which the starting wealth grows in interest and compounds daily and as a relationship grows as an investment, the worth of that investment turns into priceless; because it is not about the 'wealth' aspect--but the security aspect--knowing that the other person is irreplacable and no 'measure' can really accurately can define how much the individual is worth to the other.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Maria Weyraugh

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 7:33:50 AM   
agirl


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

While doing a bit of mail on the main site I noticed that quite a few dominant profiles flipping by me in the last 30 mins or so have a similar theme.
"I find myself seeking a slave who is worthy to serve me and will obey all my commands"
"Email me only if you are real and believe you are worthy to become my property"
"You must be young, fit and crave to serve all my needs"
Curiousity got to me after a while and I opened up a few of their profiles.  Most of them listed themselves as experts in a range of play.  But few said anything about what made them worthy to be considered, themselves.


What does "worthy to serve all my needs" mean to you?
Would you consider dropping anyone an introductory email if that was the first thing you saw when looking through profiles?  Why, or why not?
Kyst



*Worthy to serve all my needs* simply doesn't mean anything to me. I can't even contemplate what it means to serve *all of *anyone's needs.  It means nothing and says nothing, to me. It doesn't even make any sense to me. This type of phrase is so loose that it doesn't mean anything to anyone apart from the person who wrote it.

And no, I wouldn't send an introductory mail to anyone that had the phrase in their profile, though I could, at a stretch, imagine myself asking someone what * all of my needs* means to them.

agirl






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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 7:48:25 AM   
agirl


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ORIGINAL: xoxi

Isn't that what we all really want though?

I mean most people don't go around saying "I want someone who is good enough for me and is worthy of my attention" but come on now.  Besides compatibility that's probably the second most important thing on anyone's checklist.  Think of all the reasons that people turn someone down.  Too fat, too thin, too tall, too short, not ambitious enough, no job, addicted to cigarettes, drinks too much, obnoxious voice, bad teeth, acne, dandruff...whatever it is, aside from just incompatibility, is really a matter of "I want someone better than that."

We all want someone who is 'good enough' for us.  Someone who is as loyal as we are, as family oriented as we are, as ambitious as we are, as attractive as we are.  Someone who we see as worthy of our affection.

Yeah it's really tacky that these guys come out and say it...some things are better left unspoken.  But maybe that just means they value honesty over tact.  Some people actually like that.



It's not that it seems tacky to me; it's that it makes no sense at all, without elaborating.

If there was an expansion on the comment, ie, what *worthy* meant, to them, it'd be useful.

It's nonsensical without any reference to their notion of *worthy*.

agirl




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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 8:13:18 AM   
topcat


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Status: offline 		I don't have those words in my profile, though maybe I should. One does get tired of people who think SM means they can hand me a list of limits that reads like a diner menu, Safeword out if they are bored, and are surprised that I am not going to jump on the bike and race to them. Or the ones that come in strong- no limits, will do anything to serve, and fall to pieces when effort is required...

Many people seem to think submission is a chance to abdicate responsibility, that their surrender is a pearl without price, and that any dominant should pursue them. That really doesn't work for me.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 8:18:01 AM   
Sexynmentalinkc


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

Most of them listed themselves as experts in a range of play.  But few said anything about what made them worthy to be considered, themselves.

What does "worthy to serve all my needs" mean to you?




To me, this is just so much chest-beating and ego-inflation. Also an attempt to appear and sound dominant. If a guy has it, he shouldn't be needing to pretty-it-up with all the arrogance. In other words, humility in a Dom can be good....and it's better IMX to speak softly and carry a big stick. Heheheee....

It also more or less boils down to, as xoxi stated, "I have to like you."


Sorta silly, if you ask me...and unnecessary.

I mean - is a Dom gonna put on his profile that He'd be okay with one that wasn't worthy of him? LOL



*tips his hat*

- Mr. S




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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 8:54:16 AM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		I think that may be more true for you because you are male, and it is much harder to find a dominant female (A much sought after breed!).  Female dominants are easier to find if you pay for them and truth be told, if there was a similar trend in pay for male doms I wouldn't be so frustrated now. 
Kyst
quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u2use

Funny, I seem to find most DOM profiles are PROFESSIONALS and expect tribute. Even after contact with a couple of DOM's, sooner or later it boils down to the aspest that they are professionals. Is this just another site for PLAYERS?



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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 11:01:47 AM   
slaveofKaos


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quote:

ORIGINAL: topcat

I don't have those words in my profile, though maybe I should. One does get tired of people who think SM means they can hand me a list of limits that reads like a diner menu, Safeword out if they are bored, and are surprised that I am not going to jump on the bike and race to them. Or the ones that come in strong- no limits, will do anything to serve, and fall to pieces when effort is required...

Many people seem to think submission is a chance to abdicate responsibility, that their surrender is a pearl without price, and that any dominant should pursue them. That really doesn't work for me.


I love what you say here Sir, I as a slave have seen a ton of femal submissive profiles on this site that say thing's like this is what you have to do if you want any chance of me responding to you, and if you want to meet in person this is how it will happen and you have to do this, this and this.  I have heard from a lot of Male Dominants the same thing you wrote, and I can understand how that would be annoying. So as much as Male Dominants are out there saying "you must be worthy of me" which female dominants do it to, there are just as many female submissives saying this is what has to happen and how things will work if you want any chance in hell of me even responding to you let alone possibly meeting.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 1:14:51 PM   
Celeste43


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Status: offline 		Total turn off. First, I don't get off doing his laundry and second this is a relationship between people. If we both don't fit each others needs, then the relationship doesn't exist.

This 'worthy to serve' bit always strikes me as being written by someone who is relationship challenged, in other words a loser. Plus I don't have any interest in people who set up win/lose scenarios, I go for  people who want things to work and are willing to do whatever tweaking is required to ensure it does.

Those types of letters always went straight into the electronic round file.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 3:30:37 PM   
miladyh


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Status: offline 		Have you ever noticed these types are also the ones to expect you to kowtow to their every whim and assume they can use humiliation and every other word out of their mouth is a sexual inuendo as well as seem to have forgotten what normal conversation is even before you agree to meet?

This to me is a HUGE turn off I am more than a pussy.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 7:06:59 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear milahyh, Ladies and Gentlemen,
 
I must agree fully with your post.  It seems that a lot of people have forgotten to just talk without having to force feed their inuendos, be it sexual, be it the domination/submissive structure and or their fantasy and or their 'intent' if it goes beyond the conversation.
 
I find it refreshing to have a conversation with many topics and things which are important to them as well as important to me.  I much prefer finding the compatability first and then work from there into personal preferences and compatability issues in that regard and work through that until there is something to work with.
 
Even though an individual might not be compatable with me in the form of a servant/slave; I would find them wonderful in the capacity as friend and or acquaintance and or just a good person.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/17/2007 11:38:20 PM   
awmslave


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Status: offline 		If the profile has a keyword "worthy to serve" I assume the candidate must be wealthy. I would prefer straight talk in the ads rather than making candidates guess what it really means.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/18/2007 5:16:29 PM   
batshalom


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Status: offline 		The profile / journal stuff that gets me is the whiny complaining "no one is polite, no one answers mail, everybody must be a poser, I'm leaving if I don't hear something by  X date." Mm. Yes. Well. Don't let the door hitcha.

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RE: Worthy to serve? - 11/18/2007 5:37:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think a lot of the D-types say stuff like "worthy to serve me, blah blah blah" because they think it's what's expected of them.

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