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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 2:22:04 PM   
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Hey I hate the terrorists as much as any ... maby more than some since I am a NY native I personally think we should release all convicted publicly in time square while the police turn a blind eye.

But that Does Not mean that all Terrorists are Muslim nay more than all greedy rich people are jews or that all scientoligists have a few dozzen screws loose (well maby that one is true) or that all pagans sacrifice animals and virgins these are all overreactions and that is what I am trying to show

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 2:23:35 PM   
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I want to see stamps comerating pagan holidays as well lol how about Deus Sol Invictus

That is december 25 and the day that was adopted becasue it was the birth of the sun god making it easy to convert the son of god into it instead lol





I'm all for that. But people should have no problems with other religious holidays being put onto stamps, I mean what's wrong with you people. This is not a holy war unless you make it one. You're being fanatical and idiotic if you think otherwise.

My 2 cents

Blessed Be,
Mel

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 2:30:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yedi

I want to see stamps comerating pagan holidays as well lol how about Deus Sol Invictus

That is december 25 and the day that was adopted becasue it was the birth of the sun god making it easy to convert the son of god into it instead lol





I'm all for that. But people should have no problems with other religious holidays being put onto stamps, I mean what's wrong with you people. This is not a holy war unless you make it one. You're being fanatical and idiotic if you think otherwise.

My 2 cents

Blessed Be,
Mel


Amen Thank you finally someone that sees through the bs like me :)

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 2:47:37 PM   
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Pardon me but I AM a Muslim REVERT and my ''idea'' is FAR from sketchy. Yours however, may be as you earlier posted Catholics and Christians as different religions when Catholicism is a sect of Christianity. The term is revert in Islam, not convert. I can see that there are a few sensible thinking individuals here though not enough in number for me to be checking back in on this thread. Many of you are far more scary than any Muslim I have ever known.


Sorry but they are so far from the same set of values they don’t count as being the same religion anymore in my opinion and the amount of struggles in the history of my country support my opinion that they are distinct. I don’t care if you are a convert, a revert or a pervert either it’s all semantics to me.

The term revert suggests to me that all people were initially Muslim and is a bigoted view in my opinion, but use that term if you like.



It is the only TERM that is used like it or not. I didn't pick it. The remainder is just laughable. Ah the misguided fools who do not even know the difference between a sect and a religion yet feel qualified to spout about it.

See You All, Buhbye

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 2:55:13 PM   
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It is the only TERM that is used like it or not. I didn't pick it. The remainder is just laughable. Ah the misguided fools who do not even know the difference between a sect and a religion yet feel qualified to spout about it.


Don’t be silly revert is an English word not Arabic and has obvious intent. Maybe you didn’t choose it but you should question the one that choose the English translation of it maybe.
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“Converts tend to be more radical and fanatical than those who have been Muslims since they were in the cradle,” Hans Joachim Giessmann, a terrorism expert at the Hamburg Institute for Peace Research, said. “They are driven either by politics or the fervour of their new faith rather than any cultural tradition.”

I don’t just make stuff up on the spot I read maybe you should try some.


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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:02:07 PM   
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deleted by poster. Very much not worth it as no reasoning with a small mind

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:06:55 PM   
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Have you got anything other than insults to offer?

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:09:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yedi

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mellissande

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yedi

I want to see stamps comerating pagan holidays as well lol how about Deus Sol Invictus

That is december 25 and the day that was adopted becasue it was the birth of the sun god making it easy to convert the son of god into it instead lol





I'm all for that. But people should have no problems with other religious holidays being put onto stamps, I mean what's wrong with you people. This is not a holy war unless you make it one. You're being fanatical and idiotic if you think otherwise.

My 2 cents

Blessed Be,
Mel


Amen Thank you finally someone that sees through the bs like me :)



Why thank you. But this is the way I've always felt. I think arguing religion is rediculous. Everyone has their own set of beliefs, even within the same religion, Not every single person believes or worships the exact same way. And I believe that the only way to live is to understand and learn from those around you. If you don't understand their religion, don't hate them for it, Study it! Learn what they really believe, don't just go by what some radical sect of their religion beleves and spouts out loud. The biggest problem is that most times the only side that is ever heard is the one shouted loudly and is in blatant hatred of others. Sometimes it's hard to hear the whispers of peace and kindness with such things being shouted in your ear.

Edited to say this is just my .02 not to be confused with telling others what to do or believe.

Blessed Be,
Mel

< Message edited by Mellissande -- 11/18/2007 3:11:40 PM >

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:18:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mellissande

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yedi

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mellissande

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yedi

I want to see stamps comerating pagan holidays as well lol how about Deus Sol Invictus

That is december 25 and the day that was adopted becasue it was the birth of the sun god making it easy to convert the son of god into it instead lol





I'm all for that. But people should have no problems with other religious holidays being put onto stamps, I mean what's wrong with you people. This is not a holy war unless you make it one. You're being fanatical and idiotic if you think otherwise.

My 2 cents

Blessed Be,
Mel


Amen Thank you finally someone that sees through the bs like me :)



Why thank you. But this is the way I've always felt. I think arguing religion is rediculous. Everyone has their own set of beliefs, even within the same religion, Not every single person believes or worships the exact same way. And I believe that the only way to live is to understand and learn from those around you. If you don't understand their religion, don't hate them for it, Study it! Learn what they really believe, don't just go by what some radical sect of their religion beleves and spouts out loud. The biggest problem is that most times the only side that is ever heard is the one shouted loudly and is in blatant hatred of others. Sometimes it's hard to hear the whispers of peace and kindness with such things being shouted in your ear.

Edited to say this is just my .02 not to be confused with telling others what to do or believe.

Blessed Be,
Mel


Nice and it would e also helpfull I think if more people would read into origins and relize that almost all these religions are basically the same if there is a big debate of who go to heaven and hell... believe what you will live your life to the best you can .... and find out if your right the hard way in just a few moments devinly speaking

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:22:36 PM   
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I just want to mail my letters...who cares whos picture is on a stamp....maybe we need to start placing the FBI's 10 most wanted on them or missing children instead of wasting the space on Xmas tree's and stockings....make the stamp actually useful......To the OP I do have to agree with the rest about your need for negative post and drama.....I think you need your own forum..*Pink font Purgatory*

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:23:12 PM   
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Nice and it would e also helpfull I think if more people would read into origins and relize that almost all these religions are basically the same if there is a big debate of who go to heaven and hell... believe what you will live your life to the best you can .... and find out if your right the hard way in just a few moments devinly speaking

My thoughts exactly. I sent you a message on the other side. I think I'm going to shy away from this thread as it seems to have become a debate on whose religion and train of thought is right and whose is wrong...

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:24:26 PM   
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I just want to mail my letters...who cares whos picture is on a stamp....maybe we need to start placing the FBI's 10 most wanted on them or missing children instead of wasting the space on Xmas tree's and stockings....make the stamp actually useful......To the OP I do have to agree with the rest about your need for negative post and drama.....I think you need your own forum..*Pink font Purgatory*

I actually like both those ideas



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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:31:54 PM   
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There's a disturbing (to me) post on a thread here that repeatedly uses racial slurs including the "n word".  Other slurs against other minorities are also used.  Does such language violate the CM TOS (thinking of the prohibition against harrassing speech)?  Do the mods ever remove such posts or close threads because of them?
 
Is this a matter of free speech?  Personally i find absolutely no excuse for such language and wish it were subject to moderation.
 
What do Y/you think?
 
pinksugarsub


Taken from the other thread you started........ So lets see if i get this right, its okay to be racist against Muslims, given that all your examples were carried out by terrorists. Yet its not okay to use racist words as and when it suits you ?

Either you are racist or not, which is it to be ?

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:34:48 PM   
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The US Postal Service is offering a stamp commemorating the Muslim holidays during the Xmas season.
 
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of Pan Am Flight 103!

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993!

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon!

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the military Barracks in Saudi Arabia!

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the American Embassies in Africa!

REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the USS COLE!

REMEMBER the MUSLIM attack on 9/11/2001!

REMEMBER all the AMERICAN lives that were lost in those vicious MUSLIM attacks!




Now the United States Postal Service REMEMBERS and HONORS the EID MUSLIM holiday season with a commemorative first class
Holiday postage stamp. Bull!


REMEMBER to adamantly and vocally BOYCOTT this stamp
When purchasing your stamps at the post office. To use this stamp would be a slap in the face to all those AMERICANS who died at the hands of those whom this stamp honors.


REMEMBER to pass this along to every patriotic AMERICAN you know!!!
 


pinksugarsub

 


You make absolutely no sense. You put up a thread about racial slurs, and now this? The fuck is your problem? I nearly threw up when I read this. The problem isn't Muslims or Arabs. The problem is closed-minded, non-sensical, idiotic, fanaticist "patriots" like yourself.

Love,
GM




As I said in another thread, we don't hear from pinkie for months, then lo and behold she comes back and is consistently trying to start threads that have the possibility of going to flame level.  I would personally love to see if she comes back and rationalizes the disparity that you noticed:  one thread  about supposed racial slurs that noone sees, but starting this one that is a racial AND religious slur in and of itself.  I would love to see how she justifies this thread and the other one(other to possibly admit trying to enflame the boards); AND forgetting to mention this stamp has been around 7 years. 

Doesn't everyone just friggin love a hypocrite?

edited to add:  I guess instead of just saying pinkie earlier I should have said pinkie/pinksugarsub/candystripper and a myriad of other nicks depending on what time of year and flame level.

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 3:48:29 PM   
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New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service


I don't think they're particularly new. I used them on my Christmas cards several years ago.

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 4:32:15 PM   
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FAST REPLY:: I see the Op is online answering threads at this very moment and wait with baited breath how it is explained for the two very different sides on OP's.

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 6:29:56 PM   
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PINKSUGARSUB:  I really would like an answer how you can start a thread against racial slurs then start a thread that is one in and of itself.  I see no answer as of yet.  To give creedence to this thread, you should be able to answer that question.

Well??

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/18/2007 6:48:47 PM   
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This isn't a new stamp, it's over 7 years old. It was first issued prior to the 9/11 attacks. There are now out Hanukkah stamps, Eid stamps, Kwanzaa stamps and several Christian stamps.

Where I live, hatred is not a family value. Unfortunately you appear to be raised bigotted.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/eidstamp.asp

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/19/2007 1:14:45 AM   
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PINKSUGARSUB:  I really would like an answer how you can start a thread against racial slurs then start a thread that is one in and of itself.  I see no answer as of yet.  To give creedence to this thread, you should be able to answer that question.

Well??


i got the Op in an email from a friend and did not fact-check to be sure this was a new stamp.  My bad.
 
The thing about the war is, if we're in it let's win it.  During WWII Japanese-Americans were summarially herded into camps, divested of their property and treated like traitors.  Nobody thought German-Americans needed similar treatment. 
 
i think the stamp's age matters, because it pre-dates the war and justifiably recognises yet another religion's holiday (assuming Y/you think we should have religious stamps at all.)  i would have written the Op over had i known.
 
As to the disparity between objecting to racist slurs and objecting to this stamp, i don't see it.  i used no racist slurs in the Op.  Perhaps those who pointed out only a minority of Muslims are terrorists have a point, but i also think it's safe to say America is despised by most of the middle east apart from Israel.
 
That's all i got.  i'm not perfect; i made mistakes, and i apologise to A/anyone who was unduly offended.
 
pinksugarsub

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RE: New Muslim Stamp at US Postal Service - 11/19/2007 1:28:24 AM   
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You know, if the terrorists really wanted to cause trouble they could just take the OP out to dinner, get her drunk, and post her on a corner somewhere with a megaphone. Insta Riot!

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