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Real0ne -> RE: Huge supply of newly minted Ron Paul dollars stolen (11/21/2007 1:13:59 PM)
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
As long as NORFED stays within the law, they are legal. As I understand it, they have been pushing people to pay thier employees in LDs to avoid paying taxes, which is a big crime.
Please note: NORFED that originally distributed the Liberty Dollar was dissolved as of January 1, 2007. Liberty Services now distributes the Liberty Dollar without any political agenda.
Liberty Dollar Disclaimer (2006)
The Liberty Dollar and other precious-metal mintings distributed by NORFED, Inc., dba the Liberty Dollar, never have claimed to be, do not claim to be, are not, and do not purport to be, legal tender, or a coin.
The noun currency has many dictionary definitions - for example, without limitation, "that which is current as a medium of exchange[,]" "circulation as a medium of exchange[,]" "a common article for bartering[.]" In the sense that currency may be used to refer to the coinage of a government the Liberty Dollar never has claimed to be, does not claim to be, is not, and does not purport to be, currency.
The noun money also has many dictionary definitions - for example, again without limitation, "something generally accepted as a medium of exchange[,]" "a measure of value[,]" "a means of payment[.]" In the sense that money may be used to refer to the coinage of a government the Liberty Dollar never has claimed to be, does not claim to be, is not, and does not purport to be, money.
The phrase legal tender is more specifically defined and does not meaningfully vary from the authoritative BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY definition, "The money (bills and coins) approved in a country for the payment of debts, the purchase of goods, and other exchanges of value." In other words, legal tender is what a government authoritatively designates as the medium that the government will accept in payment of taxes. The Liberty Dollar never has claimed to be, does not claim to be, is not, and does not purport to be, legal tender. The Liberty Dollar repeatedly has emphasized that it is not legal tender. Legal tender and barter are mutually exclusive. The Liberty Dollar is a numismatic piece or medallion which may be used voluntarily as barter.
The noun coin invariably is defined as "a round piece of metal issued by governmental authority as money" or an equivalent phrase. The Liberty Dollar never has claimed to be, does not claim to be, is not, and does not purport to be, a coin. Any claim of the forgoing would be contrary to the purpose and function of the Liberty Dollar, which, in addition to its being a numismatic item, is a means of voluntary barter.
The Liberty Dollar will refer all inquiries to counsel in Washington, D.C.
http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/faqs/disclaimer.htm
Where did they suggest people should avoid paying taxes?
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
My between the lines analysis, is that they claimed NORFED told them it was ok. NORFED does encourage the practice on thier site. If thats the case, NORFED is going down
Companies dissolve all the time and reorganize so why are you are making an issue referencing a ghost that no longer exists.
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
Taxes have to be paid on Barter transactions, which is what I beleive thier current legal issues are about.
So whats your point? Medallion and commemorative stampers are responsible for collecting taxes for the IRS?
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
They do not have a site that says, "HEY we are white supremists!!!"
No shit? Lets see it!
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ORIGINAL: luckydog1
But they are a large player in the NEO militia, right wing, anti tax, christian identiy, white supremist movement, out there in Idaho.
So its become so big its actually a "movement" now days huh?
Good! People are waking up.
Oh yeh and I made several points on the previous page that you did not address that I am still waiting for.
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