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samboct -> NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (11/19/2007 8:07:57 AM)

Over the years, BDSM discussions in the mainstream media (MSM) have often largely devolved to individuals who let their fantasies run their lives.  No more- as this recent piece by Maureen Dowd in the New York Times uses the simile of a dominatrix and Hilary Clinton-

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/opinion/18dowd.html?em&ex=1195621200&en=6344276ea9e88fea&ei=5087%0A

For better or for worse, BDSM is lurching into the spotlight as less "alternative" and more an accepted part of human sexuality.  Consider the implications- a major newspaper is running an article saying that one of the Presidential front runners is behaving like a dominatrix- and I suspect the choice of simile isn't even raising that many eyebrows anymore.

Sam



bipolarber -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (11/19/2007 8:43:08 AM)

Well, likening Hillary to a Domme is nothing new: back in 93, there was a photoshopped postcard making the rounds of her in full fetish gear. That was about the time she suggested health care reform the first time around.

Dowd at least didn't seem to use a great many negatively loaded words in the peice... but the thing that struck me was her mentioning that Hillary used her voice, her body language and stare in a manner that projected her dominance. This is a page right out of Midori's "Femme Domme 101" classes.... makes me wonder... Hillary may or may not be a Domme... but obviously Dowd has done enough research to get the detials right... hummmmm....



awmslave -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (11/19/2007 3:57:19 PM)

There is definately intimidation factor Ms. Clinton brings into her campaign. High level of arrogance and belief she is the person for the job has propelled her into frontrunner position. As her opponents are concerned, I would focus on her achievements or on almost total absence of any record for achievements. 



Rockbound -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (11/19/2007 5:21:34 PM)


Fascinating reading!

After finishing the article, I have absolutely no doubt that Ms. Dowd's "research" on BDSM definitely has gone beyond just reading and has entered the "hands-on" realm.

Now, I wonder what screen name she might be using here on CollarMe??



samboct -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (11/20/2007 7:04:18 AM)

I think we're all on the same page as regards Maureen Dowd- or she's done an awful lot of reading on the subject.  But it's also clear that she doesn't consider Hilary a "cartoon domme" needing the paraphenalia to whip poor "Obambi" in line.  She's also got a good point when she discusses how well Hilary's dominance would play against a guy like Giuliani.   I hope it doesn't come down to that in a year- neither one would be a good president.  That this is a serious political discussion using BDSM terms as accurate descriptors goes to show how far the world has come in terms of acceptance of other peoples range of sexual activities- that and Katie Morgan on HBO talking about sex toys. 

Sam



samboct -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (1/23/2008 8:01:28 PM)

If anyone caught Boston Legal last night, Shatner's character made the same observation about Hilary- and of course commented that he'd like to do her.  Is this country ready for a woman President dominatrix?  Is any country ready for that?  Maybe that's why Bill didn't leave her.....



Gwynvyd -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (1/23/2008 8:30:46 PM)

*just chuckles and shakes her head*

why is it when a political male who uses his voice as he should and hand gestures, and direct eye contact is a good politician.. and when a Strong Woman does it she has to be equated to a whip wielding Dominatrix. Maybe if they put it in a naughty sexual context they can laugh it off and be more comfortable with it.

Now mind you just because I can do both means absoultely nothing. ( the political mumbo jumbo and whip wielding )

Gwyn,
who hopes like hell Hilary gets it.

If a  cowboy actor, and a sports manager who bankrupted or screwed over every company he touched can become presidents damn it so can she.



thetammyjo -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (1/24/2008 7:11:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Gwynvyd

*just chuckles and shakes her head*

why is it when a political male who uses his voice as he should and hand gestures, and direct eye contact is a good politician.. and when a Strong Woman does it she has to be equated to a whip wielding Dominatrix. Maybe if they put it in a naughty sexual context they can laugh it off and be more comfortable with it.



Because we still live in a sexist world.

Because media wants to make money so it tries to find something to scandalize.

Because your opponents will always try to paint you in a negative light.

Because when one does not have strong counter arguments or better ideas, one resorts to personal attacks.

Sadly that is the state of much of politics and has been for thousands of years.



samboct -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (1/24/2008 7:20:49 AM)

Hell Gwyn, politics is the art of seduction.  I'm trying to remember who said that Maggie Thatcher was a great seductress- she got you to agree with what she wanted even if it wasn't in your own interest.  It's also why things were so much simpler when women didn't have the right to vote- male politicians didn't have to try to woo women, so they courted men in a straightforward fashion.  Throw women into the mix, and some men are seen as courting women,  rather than just playing to other men.  Now with Hilary in the mix, she's definitely chasing after the men she sees as power players and ignoring those who aren't (and she's probably been rather dismissive of Obama until he won Iowa.)  I think there's a solid grain of truth to both Maureen Dowd's comments about her as well as Shatners- she does come off that way- at least in my eyes, and I don't see all women as dominatrixes.

At this point- I'll vote FOR Obama, but I'll vote for Hilary against any Republican.

Sam



Amaros -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (1/24/2008 7:56:36 AM)

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Kana -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (1/24/2008 7:59:04 AM)

That was a hysterical article.

Rudi won't be as easy to spank, damn thats some funny shit.

Now I'm gonna be picturing Obama in latex through the rest of the debates.

Sheeesh



ToysAndTies -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (1/25/2008 2:39:57 PM)

I understand the appeal of the ball-busting politico, but at some point, we have to stop voting for the rudest or most-consistent (clearly not Hillary anyway) and go with one who actually will be able to work with his opponents after the election.  Shunning everyone may make her feel tough, but come election time, and just in general, these are coworkers...

At least Obama beats her in the brains department.  First Ladying isn't a political experience job is it?  Cheers



GreedyTop -> RE: NYT Op Ed showing BDSM in the MSM (1/25/2008 3:18:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

That was a hysterical article.

Rudi won't be as easy to spank, damn thats some funny shit.

Now I'm gonna be picturing Obama in latex through the rest of the debates.

Sheeesh



ack.  I just threw up a bit in my mouth.



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