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wildnbeautiful -> honor by ara any thoughts? (11/21/2007 10:20:37 AM)

(from another board}

I have seen it said so many times .. " you bring honor to your Master/Home" how can a slave bring anything ?  Something as simple as serving to me is not bringing honor , its somerthing we have to do , it is required that we are pleasing , that is why we breath.


Regardless on how well we serve , the Free determine whethere or not they like the serve , it is an opinion.

Examples would be ..

-A man is in a hurry and you cant finish your serve and because he feels bad .. " You bring Honor "

-A Fw who has her eye on your Master states " You bring honor "

-Your sexually pleasing a Man and at the end  you hear them words   [image]http://www.infinite-rooms.com/pgor/board/Smileys/default/undecided.gif[/image]


so what is honor ?  is it if you smile well you bring honor ? is that perhaps not really honor ?  I am confused . 

I would hear "lovely serve ara "   Or " You dance well ara "  or " Your insatiable and your Master chose well / You suck in the sack ara  go away " 


Your thoughts ?

ara



hisannabelle -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/21/2007 10:31:57 AM)

greetings ara,

some of what you said will fit better in the gorean forums, as many subs/slaves here are not familiar with or do not identify with gorean slavery.

that said, i think what you said makes a lot of sense. still, though, i believe how i act reflects on my master, as well. i think that's where a lot of these comments come from. some people here have emailed me saying my actions and words bring honor, or other similar comments, and i don't think it's so much about whether or not i can bring honor as a slave (the fact being that that's not really my place or ability as a slave) but that they (whether free or slave) took the time to let me know that they appreciated my words and actions and that how i act makes them think well of myself and my master (though he does not post here). i've never been told i bring honor because of how i serve, though...usually because of how i speak and carry myself in general.

respectfully,
annabelle.



RCdc -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/21/2007 10:34:10 AM)

Well, as your post is indicating more kajira than slave, or slave trained gorean, I would suggest it is more to do with the idea that you shouldn't 'expect' anything.  You are a slave.  Nothing more, nothing less.  What you do or how you do is a reflection on your masters (or mistress) rules and therefore it's their honour you are portraying.
 
You will get different answers depending on what s-types answers.  For me, its lovely to hear that what I do is a great reflection on Darcy's 'honour'.  I honour him after all.
 
the.dark.



MRandme -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/21/2007 11:25:49 AM)

Even in vanilla relationships, people are judged by who they are married to or dating. In this lifestyle, we can be judged by who we answer to (or who answers to us, if a D-type).

i know that how i carry myself and speak can reflect well or poorly on my Master, by association..  But i bring Honor to Him, not by 'serving' in a chatroom or kowtowing on the forum, but by obeying His rules -- remaining faithful to Him, not lying to Him, being Discreet, etc. If i were to break one of those rules, i would dishonor Him as well as myself, because i would have dishonored what our relationship is based on. 

Honor is not so cheaply won as to be earned by pretty words on a screen,  sweet dance moves, or a great roll in the hay.  The most dishonest, contemptible person on earth could do those things. Honor is what is in the heart and the way you live when no one is looking, when the only person who can judge is the one you see in the mirror. 

So, no i don't think that such trite phrases amount to much. Empty compliments or courtesies, perhaps.

But, yes, slaves can have and bring honor.

g



RRafe -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/21/2007 2:58:04 PM)

I take a pretty gorean view on this.

A man's honor is all about him, and his actions.

Personally, I don't want my honor being attached to the actions of others-call me prideful.

A slave who serves well can bring admiration to her owner-for his choices and actions with HER. But a slave bringing honor to her master? Seems to be more of a bdsm way of "honoring" *subs have all of the power*

And sucking up to it.



Lordandmaster -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/21/2007 5:37:24 PM)

I think they're just trying to compliment you when they say things like that; they don't mean to get into a philosophical discussion about whether it is within a slave's capacity to confer honor.  In other words, I understand what you're saying, but you also have to try to understand what THEY'RE saying.  They're saying that by serving him well (presumably loyally and intently), you are making your master look good.  Just look over at your master when people say things like that, take your cue from him, and smile sweetly if he seems pleased by the comment too.



eyesopened -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/22/2007 4:41:45 AM)

Your post might work better on the Gorean board but i see it this way.... a Man receives honor from others by the state of His household and His posessions.  A Man doesn't receive honor from the things He owns, He recieves the honor from other people as a result of the fine things with which He surrounds Himself.  Therefore a good slave results in Him receiving honor...simply by being a good slave.  Saying she brings honor is just an easier way of saying "I receive honor from other people because of the wonderful slave I own."



probablyknowme -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/22/2007 4:38:57 PM)

I have been told more than once to consider..."WWDD?" What Would Daddy Do? In my opinion, everything I do or say is a direct reflection back to Him, especially in a public lifestyle setting. If I were to not represent myself well, then He would not be seen in the best possible light.

kat



IrishMist -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/22/2007 4:43:32 PM)

You can not bring honor onto another person. You can only act in a way that reflects honorably upon them.



RRafe -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/22/2007 5:53:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: IrishMist

You can not bring honor onto another person. You can only act in a way that reflects honorably upon them.


Well said, amen.



Decimus -> RE: honor by ara any thoughts? (11/22/2007 6:50:43 PM)

I agree with Irish and Rafe, honor is a personal reflection of yourself due to yourself and others interpretations of your actions. Your actions can cause people to reflect upon your Dom(me) because of what you have done. This will not reflect on their honor however it can change someones attitudes / opinions and respect for your Dom(me).



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